Jesus is the Son of his God

[HealthyShape]

The New Testament is written in Greek. That doesn’t mean that Jesus and the apostles didn’t know or weren’t aware of what is written in Hebrew.

Hebrew was not important for the Christian teaching in any way, obviously. There is no example in the New Testament saying "in Hebrew, the word is xyz, therefore..."

Manytimes, the apostles even quoted the Greek Septuagint when there is no such text in Hebrew.

 

[Matthias]

Hebrew was not important for the Christian teaching in any way, obviously.

I don’t agree with that. The first Christians were Jews.

The Dead Sea scrolls are written in Hebrew, not Greek. They weren’t produced by the sect of Judaism which Jesus founded but the earliest Christians came into contact with the Essenes. The quotations of the OT contained in the Dead Sea scrolls confirm the accuracy of what is written in the ancient Hebrew manuscripts which are extant.

There is no example in the New Testament saying "in Hebrew, the word is xyz, therefore..."

The New Testament is written in Greek. What is written in Greek corresponds with what is written in Hebrew.

Jesus spoke the common language of Aramaic, which is closely related to Hebrew. He could speak Greek but he taught in Aramaic. The New Testament actually preserves some of the words which he spoke in Aramaic.

 

[HealthyShape]

The “one gods” of trinitarianism? No. And no trinitarian will stand up and say so? It falls to a Jewish monotheist to do it?

In the words of R.C. Sproul to his fellow trinitarians, what’s wrong with you people?

Religious anxiety/OCD? This is just forums and people are making all sorts of claims that are not orthodox Christianity, you included.

 

[HealthyShape]

I don’t agree with that. The first Christians were Jews.

Even Jews did not use Hebrew in daily life. Again, Jesus spoke Aramaic.

The New Testament is written in Greek. What is written in Greek corresponds with what is written in Hebrew.

When it corresponds with that, good. When not (quite a few places), it is not a problem, because Christianity is not dependent on Hebrew.

 

[Matthias]

Even Jews did not use Hebrew in daily life. Again, Jesus spoke Aramaic.

He also spoke Greek.

When it corresponds with that, good. When not (quite a few places), it is no problem, because Christianity is not dependent on Hebrew.

Christianity is dependent on Hebrew. That is why scholars are taught the biblical languages - Hebrew and Greek.

 

[Matthias]

Religious anxiety/OCD?

No. Why do you behave in that manner?

This is just forums and people are making all sorts of claims that are not orthodox Christianity, you included.

It matters what people believe and say on “just forums”.

 

[HealthyShape]

He also spoke Greek.

It is probable, Greek was the English of those days.

Christianity is dependent on Hebrew. That is why scholars are taught the biblical languages - Hebrew and Greek.

Christianity is not dependent on today's scholars.

 

[Matthias]

It is probable, Greek was the English of those days.

You told me just moments ago that he taught in Greek.

Christianity is not dependent on today's scholars.

Christian scholars have to know the biblical languages. They don’t learn it as an amusement.

 

[HealthyShape]

No. Why do you behave in that manner?

Because you are behaving in that manner. Just calm down and do not be so anxious. This is just internet and there are like 5 people, at most.

It matters what people believe and say on “just forums”.

It does, but participating in useless discussions will not change their beliefs, yours are also not changed by our conversation.

 

[HealthyShape]

You told me just moments ago that he taught in Greek.

No. You do not read my posts carefully. Slow down, if you need to.

Christian scholars have to know the biblical languages. They don’t learn it as an amusement.

Christianity is not dependent on Christian scholars. They can learn even Latin if they want. Christian scholars are dependent on Christianity, not the other way around.

 

[Matthias]

Because you are behaving in that manner.

I’m not. You perception of me is wrong but, even if it was right, that’s no excuse for the way you’re acting.

Just calm down and do not be so anxious.

I’m calm and not anxious.

This is just internet and there are like 5 people, at most.

There are many more than that who are registered members and there are many more than that who aren’t members who read these forums.

It does, but participating in useless discussions will not change their beliefs…

I don’t view them as useless discussions. I’ve changed some of my beliefs over the years thanks to discussions on internet forums and I’ve seen and known others who have to.

... yours are also not changed by our conversation.

If and when I become persuaded by someone they are.

 

[HealthyShape]

I’m not. You perception of me is wrong but, even if it was right, that’s no excuse for the way you’re acting.

In that case, let us stop our conversation. It is not fruitful. Take care.

 

[Matthias]

No. You do not read my posts carefully. Slow down, if you need to.

Make it plain to me then that you don’t believe that Jesus and the apostles taught in Greek.

Christianity is not dependent on Christian scholars. They can learn even Latin if they want. Christian scholars are dependent on Christianity, not the other way around.

Latin isn’t a biblical language. Hebrew and Greek are.

 

[Matthias]

In that case, let us stop our conversation. It is not fruitful. And I do not find it interesting anymore.

That’s fine.

Take care.

And you also.

 

[Matthias]

Returning to the OP. How would “you“ - my readers in general - explain to a Muslim or a Jew that Jesus is the Son of his God?

 

[David in NJ]

Well, as I said, I am not interested in that. I do not build my faith on Hebrew words or on Jewish history, culture or "creeds".

Neither Jesus nor the apostles used Hebrew for any teaching. Jesus spoke in Aramaic and the apostles taught the public in Greek.

Salvation absolutely is based on specific language of definitions by Design and this is specific to doctrine throughout Scripture

God created all languages and the language of Truth is His Word, to all nations in all languages

His Word is consistent and Reliable and without His Word no one could be saved = JESUS CHRIST the Same Yesterday Today and Forever

 

[HealthyShape]

Salvation absolutely is based on specific language of definitions by Design and this is specific to doctrine throughout Scripture

God created all languages and the language of Truth is His Word, to all nations in all languages

His Word is consistent and Reliable and without His Word no one could be saved = JESUS CHRIST the Same Yesterday Today and Forever

Salvation is based upon the faith that Jesus is Christ and that He rose from the dead. On confessing that He is Lord.

For salvation and perfection in all good deeds, any modern language is enough. I do not buy any "Hebrew superiority" or anything similar.

 

[Matthias]

Kiss and make up before the Lord disciplines you two

Why did you like my post #529? I said nothing of my own in the post. I quoted Psalm 110:1 using the Amplified Bible. (The one whom you urged me to “kiss and make up” with has said repeatedly that it is false.)

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Just as an aside, a word to all of my readers. The Shema, the creed of Judaism, is my creed, the affirmation of my faith in the one God of Israel. Anyone who wants to disagree with my creed is free to do so. That has been happening ever since Moses came down from the mountain with the tablets of stone.

When someone teaches that my creed says something which it doesn’t, I will respond passionately. It’s an offense to confuse passion with OCD and anxiety. To double down on it is even more grievous.

When a trinitarian responds passionately to a non-trinitarian (or even a trinitarian) who is teaching that the trinitarian’s creed says something that it doesn’t, that doesn’t mean that the trinitarian has OCD and anxiety.

 

[David in NJ]

Salvation is based upon the faith that Jesus is Christ and that He rose from the dead. On confessing that He is Lord.

For salvation and perfection in all good deeds, any modern language is enough. I do not buy any "Hebrew superiority" or anything similar.

AGREE

I do not buy any "Hebrew superiority" or anything similar.

AGREE and neither do i - this does not mean we throw the baby out with the bath water

Thank You @HealthyShape

 

[HealthyShape]

AGREE and neither do i - this does not mean we throw the baby out with the bath water

What is the baby, here? Hebrew again?