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Marilyn, this does not come from the Holy Spirit - who put this in your mind?

Have you never read the Gospel = slowly and in prayer?

So John’s disciples came to him and said, “Look, Rabbi, the One who was with you beyond the Jordan, the One you testified about—He is baptizing, and everyone is going to Him.”

John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.
You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled
You have NOT answered my questions. Just because you believe differently does NOT make your view right.

John knew about the bride and bridegroom. And all the revelation to that point was Israel and the Lord. The Body of Christ revelation was NOT revealed at that time.
 

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You have NOT answered my questions. Just because you believe differently does NOT make your view right.

John knew about the bride and bridegroom. And all the revelation to that point was Israel and the Lord. The Body of Christ revelation was NOT revealed at that time.
All revelation points to Christ and the Church = Beginning in Genesis

John KNEW about the Bride and Bridegroom from Genesis, Moses and the prophets.

KEY = Man's intellect CANNOT discern the Truth that is contained in Scripture = Luke 24:45

Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

The Body of Christ is revealed in Genesis = just as John the Baptist and the apostle Paul quoted = just as i KNOW by the Holy Spirit

Either a person submits to the Holy Spirit of Truth and the Holy Scriptures or they are guessing at best and speaking lies at worse.

TRUTH = Body of Christ = "HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom"

TRUTH = Genesis = Adam & Eve = Ephesians 5:25-33

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify Her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.

FLEE religion and doctrines of men
 

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All revelation points to Christ .....
David, before I answer your questions, can you please answer the questions I asked you?

You have not proven that the 12 disciples are in the Body of Christ.

Why did they ask Jesus was He going to restore the rulership to Israel at that time? (Acts 1: 6)

Why did Peter compel the Gentiles to live as Jews? (Gal. 2: 14)
 

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David, before I answer your questions, can you please answer the questions I asked you?

You have not proven that the 12 disciples are in the Body of Christ.

Why did they ask Jesus was He going to restore the rulership to Israel at that time? (Acts 1: 6)

Why did Peter compel the Gentiles to live as Jews? (Gal. 2: 14)
PROVEN = the 12 disciples are in the Body of Christ = GOSPEL , apostles letters , Revelation

PROVEN = Acts 1:6 = they were not yet Baptized in the Holy Spirit = Acts 1:7-8

PROVEN = Peter sinned thru FEAR in attempting to have Gentiles live as Jews = Galatians 2:11-21

The Truth is in front of you = but currently you cannot SEE = you need to read and pray thru the Gospel of John
 

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PROVEN = the 12 disciples are in the Body of Christ = GOSPEL , apostles letters , Revelation

PROVEN = Acts 1:6 = they were not yet Baptized in the Holy Spirit = Acts 1:7-8

PROVEN = Peter sinned thru FEAR in attempting to have Gentiles live as Jews = Galatians 2:11-21

The Truth is in front of you = but currently you cannot SEE = you need to read and pray thru the Gospel of John
Thank you for answering.

The `gospel,` the `good news.` israel had good news concerning their promises and kingdom rule over the nations. The Body of Christ has good news concerning our inheritance with Christ on His own throne in the third heaven.

Acts 1: 6. Good reply there, however I noticed that the Lord does NOT give them any indication of the Body of Christ, which He could have done. Jesus is the foundation, not the Holy Spirit. He just reveals what Jesus says.

Peter was in fear you say. I agree. Peter knew and witnessed of the Lord as `both Lord and Christ,` (Acts 2: 36) but never understood about the Body of Christ.
 
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All revelation points to Christ and the Church = Beginning in Genesis

John KNEW about the Bride and Bridegroom from Genesis, Moses and the prophets.

KEY = Man's intellect CANNOT discern the Truth that is contained in Scripture = Luke 24:45

Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

The Body of Christ is revealed in Genesis = just as John the Baptist and the apostle Paul quoted = just as i KNOW by the Holy Spirit

Either a person submits to the Holy Spirit of Truth and the Holy Scriptures or they are guessing at best and speaking lies at worse.

TRUTH = Body of Christ = "HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom"

TRUTH = Genesis = Adam & Eve = Ephesians 5:25-33

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify Her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.

FLEE religion and doctrines of men
Jesus said, " And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.""`(Luke 24: 27)

You have added `and the church.` Not good to add....

God`s word tells us that the revelation of the Body of Christ was not known before it was revealed to the apostle Paul.

`...how by revelation He made known to me the mystery....which in other ages was not known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ through the gospel.` (Eph. 3: 5 & 6)

The `Bride` symbol is used twice in scripture - for Israel on earth (Isa. 54: 5 & 6) and for the city, the New Jerusalem. (Rev. 21: 2)

Eph. 5: 25 is an exhortation for men to love their wives as their own BODY, as Christ does His Body.

`For we are members of His BODY of His flesh and of His bones.` (Eph. 5: 30)

There is no `she` but `it` referring to the BODY.

Doctrine is never based on an exhortation but clearly defined scriptures as Paul does in Eph. 1 -4 `the new man, to a perfect man. `
 
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Thank you for answering.

The `gospel,` the `good news.` israel had good news concerning their promises and kingdom rule over the nations. The Body of Christ has good news concerning our inheritance with Christ on His own throne in the third heaven.

Acts 1: 6. Good reply there, however I noticed that the Lord does NOT give them any indication of the Body of Christ, which He could have done. Jesus is the foundation, not the Holy Spirit. He just reveals what Jesus says.

Peter was in fear you say. I agree. Peter knew and witnessed of the Lord as `both Lord and Christ,` (Acts 2: 36) but never understood about the Body of Christ.
No need for the LORD give them indication of that which HE already included them in HIMSELF in the Gospel.

HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom = Bride is the Body of Christ

Peter understood and wrote about it in 1 Peter chapters 1 & 2 = Living Stones

The LORD took the Kingdom away from Israel of the flesh and gave His Kingdom to a New Nation


Jesus said to them(Marilyn and @GRACE ambassador) , “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! =
See!
Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
 

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‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! =
See!
Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
So David,

God having made the nation of Israel and worked with them for over 2,000 years, are you telling me He made an `oops,` a mistake?
 
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So David,

God having made the nation of Israel and worked with them for over 2,000 years, are you telling me He made an `oops,` a mistake?
God does not make an 'oops' but the Jews and every Gentile that rejects the MESSIAH makes an eternal OOPS!!!

Concerning Jews and Gentiles = Would you believe God at His word??? = Genesis 6:6 and Exodus 32:7-10

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time.

And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

And the Lord said to Moses, “Go, get down! For your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ ” And the Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!
Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them/Jews and I may destroy them.
And I will make of you/Moses a great nation.”


The wrath of God is on every Jew and Gentile who rebels = Romans 2:8
indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Gentile
 

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God does not make an 'oops' but the Jews and every Gentile that rejects the MESSIAH makes an eternal OOPS!!!

Concerning Jews and Gentiles = Would you believe God at His word??? = Genesis 6:6 and Exodus 32:7-10

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time.

And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

And the Lord said to Moses, “Go, get down! For your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ ” And the Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!
Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them/Jews and I may destroy them.
And I will make of you/Moses a great nation.”


The wrath of God is on every Jew and Gentile who rebels = Romans 2:8
indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Gentile
Glad you think that too about God not making `oops.` Now we also agree that God judges the sinner.

When Jesus spoke of taking the kingdom rule of God from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it, (Matt. 21: 43) Jesus was speaking to THAT nation at that time. It does not mean that He will reject the people of Israel that will turn to Him.

The `YOU` are those He is talking to - chief priests and elders of the people. (Matt. 21: 23)
 
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it will take place in his timing not ours and no place does it say the time it will actually happen he comes quickly
The generation and season and pretty close to the days. 1948 generation ( >80 years), the gospel recently has been preached to every nation and tribe, and the days will be dark, the sun and moon will be blocked, likely by smoke from wars or asteroid or vocanic eruption?
 

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The generation and season and pretty close to the days. 1948 generation ( >80 years), the gospel recently has been preached to every nation and tribe, and the days will be dark, the sun and moon will be blocked, likely by smoke from wars or asteroid or vocanic eruption?

Yes, the generation and season are pretty close to these days, and their starting points will occur around 96 years after 1948, after we see the fulfilemnt of the Sixth Bowl judgement when the kings of the earth will gather at the place called Armageddon to be judged at the same time as the heavenly hosts as is set out in Isaiah 24:21-22.

We only have a relatively short time span for this to be confirmed.

Shalom
 

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Glad you think that too about God not making `oops.` Now we also agree that God judges the sinner.

When Jesus spoke of taking the kingdom rule of God from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it, (Matt. 21: 43) Jesus was speaking to THAT nation at that time. It does not mean that He will reject the people of Israel that will turn to Him.

The `YOU` are those He is talking to - chief priests and elders of the people. (Matt. 21: 23)
The chief priests and elders are representatives of the nation = Do you remember the 12 spies???

The 'YOU' is the nation as is EVIDENT for the past 2,000 years = their house is DESOLATE and they remain in darkness of SIN

ONLY when Christ Returns will they turn to Him, but only 1/3, as 2/3 will perish = Zechariah ch13
 

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The chief priests and elders are representatives of the nation = Do you remember the 12 spies???

The 'YOU' is the nation as is EVIDENT for the past 2,000 years = their house is DESOLATE and they remain in darkness of SIN

ONLY when Christ Returns will they turn to Him, but only 1/3, as 2/3 will perish = Zechariah ch13
Yes, I agree that the chief priests and elders are representative of that nation that did not receive Jesus. They do NOT represent others who came afterwards. And yes, a 1/3 will turn to Him when he returns to deliver them. Glad you agree there.
 

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Yes, I agree that the chief priests and elders are representative of that nation that did not receive Jesus. They do NOT represent others who came afterwards. And yes, a 1/3 will turn to Him when he returns to deliver them. Glad you agree there.
Why do you choose to oppose Christ???
Whenever a person chooses to oppose Christ and the Apostles thru unbelief, blindness ensues.

"They" ABSOLUTELY represent all the Jews who come afterwards and the only Jews who escape are those who receive Yeshua.

Do you not remember the evil report from the "12 spies" and as a result they could NOT enter into the Promise.

Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.
For we also received the good news just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said:
“So I swore on oath in My anger,
They shall never enter My rest.’”

And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world.
For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.”
And again, as He says in the passage above: “They shall never enter My rest.”
 
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The generation and season and pretty close to the days. 1948 generation ( >80 years), the gospel recently has been preached to every nation and tribe
The latest report from the "Things To Come" missionary organization reveals that the tribes and nations of
Nepal are just getting started planting churches and teaching the Grace walk to the people there with about
1% Christians = got Quite A Ways, 99%, To Go, eh?
 

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Why do you choose to oppose Christ???
Whenever a person chooses to oppose Christ and the Apostles thru unbelief, blindness ensues.

"They" ABSOLUTELY represent all the Jews who come afterwards and the only Jews who escape are those who receive Yeshua.

Do you not remember the evil report from the "12 spies" and as a result they could NOT enter into the Promise.

Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.
For we also received the good news just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said:
“So I swore on oath in My anger,
They shall never enter My rest.’”

And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world.
For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.”
And again, as He says in the passage above: “They shall never enter My rest.”
And where have you proven that I oppose Christ?
 
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By your own words that oppose the LORD Jesus Christ.
explain how this shows she opposes Christ ? i fail to see where she opposes i must say so far none of this makes sense other than the rapture will take place.. i fail to even come close to following your time frame