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I give up...who called any war “just”?...and in whose opinion are they “just”?

It is called Just War theory. There are differing views on what makes a Just War and it is something theologians discuss. What one might call the qualification for that determination may differ. Either way, it comes down to an individual opinion which can include the absence of any circumstances which justify military action. I believe that wars can be just.
Who determines the “necessity” of a political war in a world we were told to be “no pat of”?

I do not know what you mean when you say a political war. Just War is not based on political disagreements.

The whole point was....no political war is the business of Christians.....let the world do what the world will do....if God allows it, then it is part of his purpose in giving satan world rulership in the first place. (Luke 4:5-7) He did not tell us to interfere, just as Jesus demonstrated in Israel...he avoided all political issues, even on one occasion hastily exiting the scene when people wanted to make him King.....he was a great candidate, but he was never going to be that kind of king, in this kind of world. He is the King of God’s Kingdom, not man’s.

I must admit, I have had many posters here misunderstand or misinterpret my writings, but if there was a gold medal for doing so, you’d be the winner....you missed the point every time.

Again you misunderstand....the concept of a “peacekeeper” in today’s world is to threaten those who want to make war, with weapons. Who today enter war zones unarmed? You got that right at least...but Christians who live in war zones do what Christ directed the Christians to do when the Romans threatened to destroy Jerusalem...he told them to get out of there and flee to the mountains....to a place of safety.

Yeah, people find it easy to escape and food will magically appear for them. ISIS loved the pacifism when they forced Christian children into "marriages" where they were constantly beat and raped.

Jesus himself said that he had legions of angels to summon if he needed to.....but he never did. The Christians could have saved Jerusalem if God had wanted it saved. But Jesus had already foretold its destruction. No “just war” was necessary.

Yeah, and Jesus just stands by why children get raped. Maybe the families murdered and raped by ISIS didn't have enough faith?
You know the part of the Lord’s Prayer that says...”Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”....what do you think Jesus was teaching us to pray for?

How does child rape, slavery and exploitation fit in? Or the genocide of 12 million in concentration camps? I guess Jesus was asleep at the wheel. I wish I could live in fairytale land with unicorns and rainbows. I live in a world where people wonder where God is and a world where they found salvation with the liberation of their camps.

Maybe we shouldn't have gone to war, brought all of our ships to port, apologized to Hitler and Tojo and spent all of our time praying. All magical fairyland.
 
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When I think of @Matthias and @Aunty Jane’s of the world, today’s over-spiritualized Christian’s, I thank our LORD God that previous generations were more soulful and did what had to be done to protect Christiandom.
 

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My advice to readers: Listen to, believe, and obey Jesus. Believe Paul when he says the Messiah’s disciples don’t fight with the weapons of the world. Don’t fret over what unbelieving and disobedient people think and / or say about you. They live by the sword and die by the sword. The worst they can do to you, besides persuading you to join them in killing their enemies, is to kill you. The Messiah will reward you and deal righteously with them.
 
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When I think of @Matthias and @Aunty Jane’s of the world, today’s over-spiritualized Christian’s, I thank our LORD God that previous generations were more soulful and did what had to be done to protect Christiandom.
Can you imagine if FDR took a pacifist approach? Thank God we had someone with their head on straight. Oh, sorry Britain sorry Russia, no lend-lease for you, guns are bad. Just run away! Japan, feel free to ravage East Asia, we'll scrap our Navy ships. No US entering the war... Russia, even Stalin said... they nearly lost the war. All of eastern Europe would have become slaves until they were wiped out.
 

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No immigration to Palestine, which was in British control. So if they Nazis took it.... uh oh, SpaghettiOs.
 

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My advice to readers: Listen to, believe, and obey Jesus. Believe Paul when he says the Messiah’s disciples don’t fight with the weapons of the world. Don’t fret over what unbelieving and disobedient people think and / or say about you. They live by the sword and die by the sword. The worst they can do to you, besides persuading you to join them in killing their enemies, is to kill you. The Messiah will reward you and deal righteously with them.

Maybe you can write that to the parents of the abducted Christian kids in the Middle East. Oooh, wait... they dead.
 

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When I think of @Matthias and @Aunty Jane’s of the world, today’s over-spiritualized Christian’s, I thank our LORD God that previous generations were more soulful and did what had to be done to protect Christiandom.
I guess we will all find out who were ‘overly spiritualized’ and who were ‘under spiritualized’ in the judgment of “the sheep and the goats”, soon to be experienced as Christ’s return is immanent, according to prophesy and indicated by world events.

As God is balanced in all that he does, we get an idea of his standards by reading about his laws to Israel. If God doesn’t change, then neither do his standards of conduct.

You seem to like the “God of war” that you think he was in Israel’s day, but you miss the point on why he was a god of war in that era. Israel were his exclusive people, and if God fought for Israel, no matter how outnumbered they were, their enemies were defeated. That was showing Israel’s enemies who he was....their false gods failed them time and again.... but when Israel failed to obey him and turned to worshipping other gods, Jehovah punished then by abandoning them and allowing Babylon to conquer them and take them into exile for 70 years, during which time Jehovah’s name was brought down, reproached by the nations, because now he looked weak.

But Jehovah’s promise was sure through his prophet Ezekiel....he would reinstate his name and his people once they had learned the hard way that obedience matters, and that God’s name must not be reproached by the conduct of his people. If you carry the name of God, you have a responsibility to uphold it. (Ezekiel 36:22-28)

And because an apostasy was foretold and Christendom became that apostasy in the early centuries, why would God protect them? They are more disunited every year....(1 Cor 1:10)

God’s people are united, not divided.
 
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Can you imagine if FDR took a pacifist approach? Thank God we had someone with their head on straight. Oh, sorry Britain sorry Russia, no lend-lease for you, guns are bad. Just run away! Japan, feel free to ravage East Asia, we'll scrap our Navy ships. No US entering the war... Russia, even Stalin said... they nearly lost the war. All of eastern Europe would have become slaves until they were wiped out.

No immigration to Palestine, which was in British control. So if they Nazis took it.... uh oh, SpaghettiOs.
Maybe you can write that to the parents of the abducted Christian kids in the Middle East. Oooh, wait... they dead.
Are you finished with the nonsense?

You act as if God needs us to intervene in his business, but can you find me a Scripture that says Christians must take up arms to protect Christendom?

Can God not protect his own people? Hasn’t he demonstrated through history that if God is for us, then no one can be against us? But what happens when God is against us because we have disobeyed him?

Do you remember the guy who tried to save the ark of the covenant.....no one was allowed to touch it but this man did when David transported it on a wagon instead of the way God told them to transport it, so when the cattle caused an upset, the man put out his hand to save the ark....and he died.
What is the lesson?

You self appointed vigilantes will find out soon enough that you have it all wrong. You don’t know God at all....and he does not need you to take care of his own business. If God permits something, it is for a reason.
You apparently do not trust him.....pity.
 

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I guess we will all find out who were ‘overly spiritualized’ and who were ‘under spiritualized’ in the judgment of “the sheep and the goats”, soon to be experienced as Christ’s return is immanent, according to prophesy and indicated by world events.

As God is balanced in all that he does, we get an idea of his standards by reading about his laws to Israel. If God doesn’t change, then neither do his standards of conduct.

You seem to like the “God of war” that you think he was in Israel’s day, but you miss the point on why he was a god of war in that era. Israel were his exclusive people, and if God fought for Israel, no matter how outnumbered they were, their enemies were defeated. That was showing Israel’s enemies who he was....their false gods failed them time and again.... but when Israel failed to obey him and turned to worshipping other gods, Jehovah punished then by abandoning them and allowing Babylon to conquer them and take them into exile for 70 years, during which time Jehovah’s name was brought down, reproached by the nations, because now he looked weak.

But Jehovah’s promise was sure through his prophet Ezekiel....he would reinstate his name and his people once they had learned the hard way that obedience matters, and that God’s name must not be reproached by the conduct of his people. If you carry the name of God, you have a responsibility to uphold it. (Ezekiel 36:22-28)

And because an apostasy was foretold and Christendom became that apostasy in the early centuries, why would God protect them? They are more disunited every year....(1 Cor 1:10)

God’s people are united, not divided.

So you are President of the US in 1939. You bring all the ships home so Japan knows they have free reign, dismantle the armed forces and watch Hitler and Tojo win? What is your call?
 

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Are you finished with the nonsense?

Nonsense? You know this is real, right? Where was God when this was happening? Did He take a sick day?
You act as if God needs us to intervene in his business, but can you find me a Scripture that says Christians must take up arms to protect Christendom?

Do you think that God might work through us? This is like the folks that watch their kids die to treatable diseases because God will do what God wills. Maybe God wants the parent to take the kid to the doctor. That is called TEMPTING GOD. Maybe chemo won't be pleasant but doing nothing and trying to force God's hand is not what I read in scripture.
US 1941: Uh, God, please just come down and do your thing. Tens of millions are already dead and they are rounding up the Jews, so if you could get right on that, that'd be great.


Can God not protect his own people? Hasn’t he demonstrated through history that if God is for us, then no one can be against us? But what happens when God is against us because we have disobeyed him?
Can He cure a cancer kid? Yes. Wouldn't it be more pleasant for little Tim to not hurt all the time with his treatment. Yup.
You self appointed vigilantes will find out soon enough that you have it all wrong. You don’t know God at all....and he does not need you to take care of his own business. If God permits something, it is for a reason.
You apparently do not trust him.....pity.

Please avoid hospital. God takes care of His own.
 

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Observe, readers. What Jesus and Paul said about disciples not using weapons of the world doesn’t faze the unbelieving and disobedient. If / when they criticize you for not joining them in taking up the weapons of the world to kill and maim their enemies, remember that they‘re criticizing the Messiah and the apostle(s). You’re standing on solid rock. Don’t allow their machinations to draw you off of it.
 

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Something for readers to keep in mind - in addition to killing Jews and Muslims, the Crusaders killed Byzantine Christians. Those who have the mindset of the Crusaders will inflict harm, to one degree or another, on anyone who opposes them. Even so, the disciples of Messiah Jesus are equipped to oppose them with spiritual weapons.
 

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Something for readers to keep in mind - in addition to killing Jews and Muslims, the Crusaders killed Byzantine Christians. Those who have the mindset of the Crusaders will inflict harm, to one degree or another, on anyone who opposes them. Even so, the disciples of Messiah Jesus are equipped to oppose them with spiritual weapons.

"The Crusaders" That actually goes to a specific Crusade intended to go to the Holy Land. The son of the former Emperor made a deal with the Venetians to restore him. The Venetians were all to happy to help, after they were massacred in the Byzantine capital. The Pope warned them not to attack Christians and excommunicated them for a time when news arrived. This had more to do with politics than anything.

They did get a nifty Latin Empire for a time :)1765342173389.png
 

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Do unto others (in this case, Muslims) what others (in this case, Muslims) do unto you? That’s the mentality of the Crusaders.

Do unto others (in this case, Muslims) what you would have others (in this case, Muslims) do unto you. That’s the mentality of the Messiah, the apostles, and obedient disciples.

The unbelieving and disobedient don’t possess that kind of courage and devotion. They don’t believe practicing what the Messiah and the apostles taught is practical in the face of persecution. They aren’t willing to be martyred, if it should come to that.

And it very well could come to that. Recall what happened to the Messiah, the apostles, and the early Christians.

Whether it comes to that or not, disciples are called to live in accordance with the teaching of Jesus.
 
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So you are President of the US in 1939. You bring all the ships home so Japan knows they have free reign, dismantle the armed forces and watch Hitler and Tojo win? What is your call?
You still don’t get it....what the world does is none of my business. There are no “Christians” in corrupt politics because this is satan’s world system of government, and we are foreign residents who abide by their laws as long as their laws don’t contravene God’s laws.

I would never have been the US President in 1939, so what he did or didn’t do, has nothing to do with me....

You just can’t get past your patriotism, so you think God is OK with you breaking free from Christ’s teachings to uphold your politics? Sorry, but it doesn’t work like that.

Nonsense? You know this is real, right? Where was God when this was happening? Did He take a sick day?


Do you think that God might work through us? This is like the folks that watch their kids die to treatable diseases because God will do what God wills. Maybe God wants the parent to take the kid to the doctor. That is called TEMPTING GOD. Maybe chemo won't be pleasant but doing nothing and trying to force God's hand is not what I read in scripture.
If God was working through you, he would not teach Christ to teach you something he fails to uphold.

Your comparisons don’t hold true because, as I said, it’s all about the balance. Were there doctors in Jesus day? Luke was a doctor.
God provides medicine in nature...the ones drug companies copy so that they can patent a drug and charge like wounded elephants for a synthetic form of something you can grow in your garden for free....

Do you have any idea how the medical system works? In this day and age billions of dollars are given to the pharmaceutical industry to supposedly find a cure for cancer.....and yet the cancer rate continues to rise. What is wrong with that picture? Cures are a bad business model...no profit in cures...only in treatments hopefully for the rest of your miserable side-effected life...oh they have drugs for those as well...

There are probably many cures for cancer, and a whole bunch of other ailments, but you aren’t allowed to know about them. Did you know that many MD’s are now ditching their practices because of the corruption in the medical industry? They are going over to alternative medicine because it actually works without side effects.
Doctors will lose their licence if they even suggest a natural therapy, which is why people are now abandoning the medical system and its drugs......more people die each year from prescription medicines than they do from illegal drugs....it’s a slow death, but usually painful...and they have an assortment of pain meds now to replace the ones that people became addicted to.

US 1941: Uh, God, please just come down and do your thing. Tens of millions are already dead and they are rounding up the Jews, so if you could get right on that, that'd be great.

You did it again....whatever God allows politically, is what the devil’s world system of government dictates.
Man creates wars not God....he is not going to bail out those who disobey him.

God is the only one who can sanction death. Only he has the authority to give life and take it away.....but he also promised through his prophet Isaiah that his plans for the future include restoring His rulership to mankind by means of his Kingdom under Christ, and reinstating his first purpose, which was to have a perfect race of humans fill the earth and live on it forever, transforming it into paradise....like the garden of Eden....this includes resurrecting the dead. (Isaiah 2:2-4; 65:17-25, John 5:28-29)
Can He cure a cancer kid? Yes. Wouldn't it be more pleasant for little Tim to not hurt all the time with his treatment. Yup.

Please avoid hospital. God takes care of His own.
God does not intervene in our lives like that either, but do you wonder why he did so in the first century?
Jesus and his apostles healed the sick and raised the dead....
There are no miracles today, because those miracles were a demonstration of what was to come when Christ brings in the rule of God’s Kingdom to replace the rot that has been messing up the world for millennia. Christ came to “undo the works of the devil”, not to interfere with God’s purpose of showing him up to be one extremely lousy ruler, but to fulfill God’s original plans for the earth and mankind upon it. (Rev 21:2-5) He will make “all things new”.
Do you believe him?
 

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Do unto others (in this case, Muslims) what others (in this case, Muslims) do unto you? That’s the mentality of the Crusaders.

Do unto others (in this case, Muslims) what you would have others (in this case, Muslims) do unto you. That’s the mentality of the Messiah, the apostles, and obedient disciples.

The unbelieving and disobedient don’t possess that kind of courage and devotion. They don’t believe practicing what the Messiah and the apostles taught is practical in the face of persecution. They aren’t willing to be martyred, if it should come to that.

And it very well could come to that. Recall what happened to the Messiah, the apostles, and the early Christians.

Whether it comes to that or not, disciples are called to live in accordance with the teaching of Jesus.

Who spoke nothing about wars between nations and let Peter carry a sword. When he healed the servant of the Centurion, wouldn't that be a great time to say something about getting a new job? Jesus doesn't want us to go around looking for wars and violence. Pacifism and non-violence are the answer until everything has been exhausted.
 

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Jesus’ teaching was for his disciples, not for the state. Was the Roman Empire bound to follow his teaching against using the weapons of the world? No.
 

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You still don’t get it....what the world does is none of my business. There are no “Christians” in corrupt politics because this is satan’s world system of government, and we are foreign residents who abide by their laws as long as their laws don’t contravene God’s laws.

I would never have been the US President in 1939, so what he did or didn’t do, has nothing to do with me....

Ok, what should have done? Let us say he was your brother and trusts you can calls you up for advice.. that would be?
You just can’t get past your patriotism, so you think God is OK with you breaking free from Christ’s teachings to uphold your politics? Sorry, but it doesn’t work like that.

Where have I said anything about patriotism? This has nothing to do with mindless jingoism or politics. It is a theological issue.
If God was working through you, he would not teach Christ to teach you something he fails to uphold.

Christ didn't say anything about all wars being bad.

Your comparisons don’t hold true because, as I said, it’s all about the balance. Were there doctors in Jesus day? Luke was a doctor.
God provides medicine in nature...the ones drug companies copy so that they can patent a drug and charge like wounded elephants for a synthetic form of something you can grow in your garden for free....

Oh, you are one of those. Didn't know I could eat tree leaves and make a tea out of roots to cure metastatic cancer. Why was Luke a doctor, did he not trust God?

Do you have any idea how the medical system works? In this day and age billions of dollars are given to the pharmaceutical industry to supposedly find a cure for cancer.....and yet the cancer rate continues to rise. What is wrong with that picture? Cures are a bad business model...no profit in cures...only in treatments hopefully for the rest of your miserable side-effected life...oh they have drugs for those as well...

I didn't know you were so knowledgeable about cancer. It just so happens back in my research days I focused on cancer. The cure rate went from 50% in the 70s to 70% today. It is like Trump said about COVID, the reason the rate keeps going up is because of all that testing. Cancer is a very difficult thing to treat depending on the type and when it is diagnosed. I knew a married couple one had stage 3, the other had stage 2. The first lost a kidney, the other only had a tumor removed from their kidney.
Oh, all the letters we received from the drug companies we worked with constantly reminding us not to find a cure but to just keep the patient dependent on drugs. I have a stack a mile high. Oh wait... that didn't happen.



There are probably many cures for cancer, and a whole bunch of other ailments, but you aren’t allowed to know about them. Did you know that many MD’s are now ditching their practices because of the corruption in the medical industry? They are going over to alternative medicine because it actually works without side effects.
Doctors will lose their licence if they even suggest a natural therapy, which is why people are now abandoning the medical system and its drugs......more people die each year from prescription medicines than they do from illegal drugs....it’s a slow death, but usually painful...and they have an assortment of pain meds now to replace the ones that people became addicted to.

A doctor can inform a patient of the existence of all natural treatments on request. Now to claim it is a cure or not provide sound medical advice that has been clinically tested is a huge lawsuit.


You did it again....whatever God allows politically, is what the devil’s world system of government dictates.
Man creates wars not God....he is not going to bail out those who disobey him.

So when the Nazis invaded Norway, that was their fault? Those six million Jews? I mean, makes sense. The ones that survived enslavement were the ones God actually loved.

God is the only one who can sanction death. Only he has the authority to give life and take it away.....but he also promised through his prophet Isaiah that his plans for the future include restoring His rulership to mankind by means of his Kingdom under Christ, and reinstating his first purpose, which was to have a perfect race of humans fill the earth and live on it forever, transforming it into paradise....like the garden of Eden....this includes resurrecting the dead. (Isaiah 2:2-4; 65:17-25, John 5:28-29)

God does not intervene in our lives like that either, but do you wonder why he did so in the first century?
Jesus and his apostles healed the sick and raised the dead....
There are no miracles today, because those miracles were a demonstration of what was to come when Christ brings in the rule of God’s Kingdom to replace the rot that has been messing up the world for millennia. Christ came to “undo the works of the devil”, not to interfere with God’s purpose of showing him up to be one extremely lousy ruler, but to fulfill God’s original plans for the earth and mankind upon it. (Rev 21:2-5) He will make “all things new”.
Do you believe him?

I believe in the resurrection. I also believe testing God is tempting God.
 

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BTW- I have a genetic condition that has an increased risk of cancer. I tested myself for... everything in a very big lab. It runs rampant in my family. Spoke with my doctor about it and he recommended screening for it on a regular basis. Why not tell me to wait until it become noticeable at stage 3? Seems more profitable.

There are real natural cures or treatments for various conditions and studies are done on them. Some are very legitimate and measurable. Studies were done here in the US about marijuana which has improved many lives and many states legalize its usage medicinally and some just outright legalized it. Yogurt can be a miracle for people with IBS-C or IBS-D. The evil yogurt industry does require regular consumption :)

Natural cures exist and science can do its thing to determine if something is quackery or effective. It is the same with products like "non-stick pan needs no fat or oil" enter science to prove too good to be true. We have commercials in the US, for something like a toothbrush that says "FDA cleared" meaning, it won't kill you, as opposed to FDA approved meaning it has value.
 

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Ok, what should have done? Let us say he was your brother and trusts you can calls you up for advice.. that would be?
No advice at all....being neutral mean you don’t offer advice that involves the world and it’s politics.
I wouldn’t have an opinion.
I see God’s purpose unfolding and I understand exactly what it is, and what it means. I have no horses in this race....so what happens on the racetrack has nothing to do with me.
Where have I said anything about patriotism? This has nothing to do with mindless jingoism or politics. It is a theological issue.
No, sorry...there is nothing theological about the wars of the nations. There is religious interference, but it’s not because of anything that Jesus taught. Having the church support politics is an unholy alliance.
Christ didn't say anything about all wars being bad.
He taught his apostles personally and he most certainly did give them instructions about being “no part of the world”. What does being “no part of the world” meant to someone like you?

Paul put it this way....
“Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” (Romans 12:17-21 ESV)

Apparently only genuine Christians can accomplish this without their patriotism getting in the way....feeling a need to act on God’s behalf when they were never told to. It depends on us to uphold Christ’s teachings.
Oh, you are one of those. Didn't know I could eat tree leaves and make a tea out of roots to cure metastatic cancer. Why was Luke a doctor, did he not trust God?
Good grief, “one of those”....could I say the same thing about you?
God’s medicine was available long before pharma drugs were developed...not to cure anything, but to give symptom control as long as you take their pills for the rest of your life.
Stand in a pharmacy for a few minutes and see how many drugs especially older people take and then look at how healthy they look.
The pandemic was also a big wake up call for many MD’s. A great many doctors were shocked at the rate of ill health, especially in young people that were the direct result of the vax, that was forced on many.
I didn't know you were so knowledgeable about cancer. It just so happens back in my research days I focused on cancer. The cure rate went from 50% in the 70s to 70% today. It is like Trump said about COVID, the reason the rate keeps going up is because of all that testing. Cancer is a very difficult thing to treat depending on the type and when it is diagnosed. I knew a married couple one had stage 3, the other had stage 2. The first lost a kidney, the other only had a tumor removed from their kidney.
Do you really think that the medical profession has been trained to tell the truth about the standard treatments for cancer and their success rates? These haven’t changed in decades.
Do you know how many studies never see the light if day because results are so devastating?
Cancer is big pharma’s bread and butter, a multi billion dollar industry, all by itself......and if doctors are game enough to take on the system, they will be publicly ridiculed, deplatformed....lose their licences, and incur thousand of dollars in fines....all for telling the truth.

There is corruption on all levels in a world ruled by the devil. Nothing is as it seems especially if you watch the nightly news.....it’s nothing more than a propaganda machine churning out misinformation and telling people gullible enough to believe it, that it’s all true. Just wait...the lid is getting lifted....

Oh, all the letters we received from the drug companies we worked with constantly reminding us not to find a cure but to just keep the patient dependent on drugs. I have a stack a mile high. Oh wait... that didn't happen.
You honestly think it would? It’s all coming to light, but so many are still in the dark....they don’t want to believe that they have been conned for so many decades by a system they were trained to trust.
A doctor can inform a patient of the existence of all natural treatments on request. Now to claim it is a cure or not provide sound medical advice that has been clinically tested is a huge lawsuit.
Where I live, no MD can even recommend a natural therapy, or face discipline with threats.
So when the Nazis invaded Norway, that was their fault? Those six million Jews? I mean, makes sense. The ones that survived enslavement were the ones God actually loved.
Again, it is men who foment wars.....God does not interfere. Whatever governments do is their business. However they want to respond, is entirely up to them. It has nothing to do with Christians, who often have to flee from countries who persecute them.
Every human on earth is showing God who they are and where their loyalties lie.....in God’s Kingdom or man’s? We choose. If God does not choose to save the world, then why would he need us to? Is he not more armed and dangerous than our enemies? We are living in the fulfilment of prophesy....apparently you cannot discern it....?

My own Christian brothers were in those Nazi concentration camps with the Jews....they stood firm and refused to hiel Hitler. Some were executed, others beaten and tortured. They did not cave in. This is the courage of our convictions.....it’s what the early Christians faced.
I believe in the resurrection. I also believe testing God is tempting God.
No one has to test God...he knows what he is doing, so whatever he allows, we just go with the flow and stand firm when we have to. He will do the rest because he has promised to, and he cannot lie.

Where do you think the world is heading?