What Does the Bible Really Teach About Jesus and his Relationship with his Father ?

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Simple Dan

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What is the purpose in allowing obvious cultists to peddle there unholy wares on a christian website? Are there no moderators? Is there no one running the show around here with the courage of conviction to ban these AntiChrist fools from the forum? Will I myself be banned for pointing out the obvious. JW's and Mormons are not Christians. They preach a different Christ and a different Gospel, which is no Gospel at all. Do you somehow hope to convert them? And why do so many genuine Christians spend so much time debating them. Is this site really just one enormous circle jerk?
Jesus Wept.
 

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What is the purpose in allowing obvious cultists to peddle there unholy wares on a christian website? Are there no moderators? Is there no one running the show around here with the courage of conviction to ban these AntiChrist fools from the forum? Will I myself be banned for pointing out the obvious. JW's and Mormons are not Christians. They preach a different Christ and a different Gospel, which is no Gospel at all. Do you somehow hope to convert them? And why do so many genuine Christians spend so much time debating them. Is this site really just one enormous circle jerk?
Jesus Wept.
Well said, but I think it would get boring without Satan's messengers attacking the Bible, generating conversation. I was banned from ChristianForums for quoting a Scripture 3 times in one thread. I think the mods here are quite decent overall.
 
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Well said, but I think it would get boring without Satan's messengers attacking the Bible, generating conversation. I was banned from ChristianForums for quoting a Scripture 3 times in one thread. I think the mods here are quite decent overall.
Decent or absent? I usually self ban after a few days. These forums are a disgrace. For every edifying or uplifting comment there are 50 pages of self righteous self promotion, condemnations, accusations and damnable heresies. Boring, no. Disgusting, absolutely.
 

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There are some very good mods here once you get to know them!
I won't be around long enough for that to happen. An hour or two around here leaves me feeling like I need a long hot shower. Nice to make your acquaintance. Enjoy the fun. Peace.
 

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I won't be around long enough for that to happen. An hour or two around here leaves me feeling like I need a long hot shower. Nice to make your acquaintance. Enjoy the fun. Peace.
Stick around. We can use more Christians here defending God's Word.
 
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What is the purpose in allowing obvious cultists to peddle there unholy wares on a christian website? Are there no moderators? Is there no one running the show around here with the courage of conviction to ban these AntiChrist fools from the forum? Will I myself be banned for pointing out the obvious. JW's and Mormons are not Christians. They preach a different Christ and a different Gospel, which is no Gospel at all. Do you somehow hope to convert them? And why do so many genuine Christians spend so much time debating them. Is this site really just one enormous circle jerk?
Jesus Wept.
Calm down and reflect on yourself before reacting angrily. Some of us are still trying to understand the truth from various parts of Christendom. Many do contribute with their interpretations in scripture. I acknowledge my own biases and believe that many people on these forums are quite different from me.
 

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Stick around. We can use more Christians here defending God's Word.
I would love to bro, if I saw any point. From my observation the best and most Christ honoring comments and testimonies are mostly ignored, the most pristine scriptural doctrines endlessly and ruthlessly debated, political figures, and institutions and nation states worshipped, common sense and compassion discarded, heresies and cultists tolerated, Gods word relentlessly twisted and mangled. Need I go on. Its garbage.
 

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Calm down and reflect on yourself before reacting angrily. Some of us are still trying to understand the truth from various parts of Christendom. Many do contribute with their interpretations in scripture. I acknowledge my own biases and believe that many people on these forums are quite different from me.
I'm quite calm, about as calm as I suspect Christ was when He called the Pharisees children of the devil. I'll show myself to the door before reaching the point of braiding a whip.
 

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I would love to bro, if I saw any point. From my observation the best and most Christ honoring comments and testimonies are mostly ignored, the most pristine scriptural doctrines endlessly and ruthlessly debated, political figures, and institutions and nation states worshipped, common sense and compassion discarded, heresies and cultists tolerated, Gods word relentlessly twisted and mangled. Need I go on. Its garbage.
Hate to see you go. God bless!
 

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For every edifying or uplifting comment there are 50 pages of self righteous

I won't be around long enough for that to happen. An hour or two around here leaves me feeling like I need a long hot shower.
I think it comes down to POU - philosophy if use. Yes, many like to debate. Many others like to share personal experiences and solicit advice.

Various topics are often avoided my me. Many threads on End Times and OSAS debates. So, what is your POU for these boards?
 

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I think it comes down to POU - philosophy if use. Yes, many like to debate. Many others like to share personal experiences and solicit advice.

Various topics are often avoided my me. Many threads on End Times and OSAS debates. So, what is your POU for these boards?
I came here because I'm lonely. I was hoping to find a place where I could fellowship with others who love and revere the Lord. I came here to encourage and be encouraged. I came here because there's not a church within a hundred miles of me that preaches the Gospel. Philosophy of Use? That's a good one. I have no use for philosophy. I wasn't trying to use anything, just hoping for a place to hang out and talk about Jesus. But Jesus seems to be the last thing on anybody's mind around here. Oh, he gets mentioned a lot, in the context of some doctrinal dispute or another, but He's rarely if ever the focus of the conversation. Do I sound bitter? I'm not. I am however very very sad. And unless I am completely devoid of His Holy Spirit and totally out of touch with the heart and mind of Christ, which I assure you I am not, Christ is very sad too.

I hope you guys figure it out. I'll be praying that you do.
 

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Perhaps you should understand the difference between a doctrine and a belief.

In the Scriptures Michael is called “the Great Prince” because he is “the Archangel” and there is only one.
Jesus is also called a Prince. Michael is the commander of the angelic forces (Rev 12:7) and is spoken of in Scripture as only one of two angels who are named in the Bible. Gabriel is the other.

No one really knows the name that Jesus bore before he became Jesus the man on earth....but we believe that he could well be Michael in a different role, with a different name.
Before his human birth, Jesus existed as a spirit son of God...his “only begotten” whom Paul calls “the firstborn of ALL creation. (Col 1:15)

Jesus too is said to command the angels....(Matt 25:31-32) and when he returns as judge, Paul says that he has the voice of an archangel. (1 Thess 3:16) So because this is suggested in Scripture and we hold no impediment to Jesus being Michael before his earthly mission, it will be interesting to see what his “new name” will be. Jesus has several. Jehovah has only one. (Psalm 83:18 KJV)

The pre-human Jesus was said to be at God’s right hand, but nowhere is the Holy Spirit said to be on his left.
Also it is plain to see in John 17:3 that we need to “know the only true God AND the one he sent, Jesus Christ”. There is no mention of the third and supposedly equal part of God.

The apostles collectively identified who their “one God” was......”the Father” and their “one Lord” was Jesus Christ, but again no third person was mentioned. (1 Cor 8:5-6)

It’s funny how people can criticize us for holding a belief that is suggested in Scripture, but then cling to a doctrine that is nowhere even mentioned by Jesus or his apostles.


Jesus never allowed worship of himself....you are another one who needs to study original language words.
See post #59 .


Jude 9....
“But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah* rebuke you.”

Please note the time frame....disputing with the devil over Moses body.....puts that back in the early days of ancient Israel when Moses was told that he would not enter the Promised Land.
God did not allow Moses body to be buried by anyone, so he quietly did that himself.
It was not time to rebuke the devil...that was way into the future.
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""Jesus never allowed worship of himself....you are another one who needs to study original language words""

No it is WRITTEN

THOMAS worshipped him CORRECTLY.
THEN THE FATHER said tihis;

Heb 1
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Your doctrine is such a trap.
In your defending of your error, you must convince us how confused the Holy Spirit is, to inspire men to write a bible, only your "phony greek experise" can interpret what God truly meant.

" oh no no no, you see God did not really mean that stuff. Let me put a little watchtower spin on it, and watchtower "truth" will have you even more confused, as we progressively change our own doctrine, due to getting owned and busted by someone with a real bible"
"Us watchtowers are a work in progress"

Yeah so embarrassed by your missing the core of the bible...JESUS.

Rev 1
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Can you imagine Jesus appearing ,as He did to John on patmose, to some watchtower adherent, and they can not even worship him in HIS GLORY.

Jesus = "I am"
Watchtower = "no you ain't, you phony"

AHEM....the Bible calls those antichrists totally lost.
 
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If God command angles to worship Jesus Christ the son of God, doesn't mean he is the God who created all things by himself.

But you just need to follow the command.

What if God command us to worship Jesus Christ as God? But never find it in the Bible.
 

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@rvmb Again look at the Greek, and see that trinitarian translations ignore the definite article that is clearly visible in the Greek text.

John 1:1

Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament

“1 In en the beginning archē was eimi the ho Word logos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi with pros ·ho God theos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi God theos.”

Here it is...word for word....you can see that the definite article, “ho” is repeated in all the places where it is translated as “the”......except one.

There were no upper and lower case letters in Greek, but because there was a trinitarian agenda at work in the translation, two errors changed the entire meaning of that verse. There should be no capital “G” for the second “theos”.

“Theos” means ‘any god, goddess or divine personage’, so calling Jesus “theos” is not calling him Yahweh, but simply identifying him as a divine personage or one authorized by God to represent him.
If the definite article had been used in the second instance, like the first, then that would have identified Jesus as Yahweh.....it doesn’t.

Only Yahweh is identified by the definite article....Jesus never is, even though the word “theos” is applied to angels, human judges and even satan.....

Another mistranslation is clearly seen in John 10:31-36...
Again word for word, as it was written....

The ho Jews Ioudaios answered apokrinomai him autos, “It is not ou for peri a noblekalos work ergon that we intend to stone lithazō you sy but alla for peri blasphemy blasphēmia; ·kai it is because hoti you sy, a mere man anthrōpos, are making poieō yourself seautou God theos.” 34 Jesus Iēsous answered apokrinomai the mautos, ·ho “Is it eimi not ou written graphō in en ·ho your hymeis law nomos, ‘Iegō said legō, you are eimi gods theos’? 35 If ei the scripture called legō them ekeinos ‘gods theos’ to pros whom hos the ho word logos of ho God theos came ginomai—and kai scripture graphē cannot ou dynamai be annulled lyō ·ho— 36 do legō you hymeis say legō regarding the one whom hos the ho Father patēr consecrated hagiazō and kai sent apostellō into eis the ho world kosmos, ‘You are blaspheming blasphēmeō,’ because hoti I said legō, ‘I am eimi the Son hyios of ho God theos’?

Note the use of the lower case “g” for “gods”, but the capitalisation when if fits the trinity?
The Jews were not saying that Jesus was claiming to be “ho theos” but simply “theos”....claiming that God was his Father (John 5:18).....when he clearly stated that he was “the son of ho theos” (the Son of Yahweh)

Unless you do original language word studies, you are at the mercy of biased translators.
Every one of those translations you listed follows the same errors......do you know why?
Majority view prevails and makes those who disagree look like apostates....but Jesus said that it is the “few” not the “many” who are on the road to life. (Matt 7:13-14) Satan has the “many”....Jesus has the “few”.

Are you happy with that situation? Or are you willing to take the blinkers off and see what is actually written in the original language of the NT?

It’s confronting to many people, born and raised with a doctrine that has prevailed in Christendom for centuries....but it is an ancient lie....still believed by the majority......does that make it correct? What does the evidence reveal?
Pure 100% baloney.
Watchtower shell game.

Muddy this one up if you can
Jn 10
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


The Greek onterlinear:

The Jews answered
vi Pres Act 1 Pl
WE-ARE-STONING
se
se
G4571
pp 2 Acc Sg
YOU

ARE-makING
seauton
seauton
G4572
pf 2 Acc Sg m
YOURself
qeon
theon
G2316
n_ Acc Sg

....GOD

CASE CLOSED.
You have been so duped
 

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Pure 100% baloney.
Watchtower shell game.

Muddy this one up if you can
Jn 10
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


The Greek onterlinear:

The Jews answered
vi Pres Act 1 Pl
WE-ARE-STONING
se
se
G4571
pp 2 Acc Sg
YOU

ARE-makING
seauton
seauton
G4572
pf 2 Acc Sg m
YOURself
qeon
theon
G2316
n_ Acc Sg

....GOD

CASE CLOSED.
You have been so duped
When were they ever right before Jesus Christ?
 

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If God command angles to worship Jesus Christ the son of God, doesn't mean he is the God who created all things by himself.

But you just need to follow the command.

What if God command us to worship Jesus Christ as God? But never find it in the Bible.
Just do like autie.
Claim he is some created angel or just make him into whatever you will.

After all the work I do here
Proving and defending the deity of Jesus....what does not get through?

If the bible is correct and Jesus is the creator......
The rest is a no brainer