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Jack

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If those you named Believed Before their moment of Mortal Death…
YES, They were Saved.

Glory to God,
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I hope they did, BUT, that's a very BIG IF! We will find out VERY soon. This is the terminal generation. Judgment Day is DEAD AHEAD!

His comment was "all humans have been redeemed based on Christ's work on the Cross."

Jesus' comment was, Mt 7 Narrow is the way to life and FEW there be who find it.
 

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WRONG! ONLY those who believe in Him!

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

So Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin and all the worst humans who ever lived will be saved?
There is always one in every crowd who lacks basic training in the Word, but speaks dogmatically. Let me quote you some verses that may help you see the light. I selected a variety of Translations...

2 Peter 2.1
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought (redeemed) them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

[These false teachers who bring in destructive heresies, even denying to Lord... (these are unbelievers who have been redeemed).]

Good New Translation
False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction.

Weymouth New Testament
But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be teachers of falsehood among you also, who will cunningly introduce fatal divisions, disowning even the Sovereign Lord who has redeemed them, and bringing on themselves swift destruction.

New American Bible
There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.

New International Version.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

NET Bible
But false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. These false teachers will infiltrate your midst with destructive heresies, even to the point of denying the Master who bought them. As a result, they will bring swift destruction on themselves.

Lamsa Bible (this Translation comes from the Aramaic version)
BUT there were false prophets also among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the LORD who has redeemed them, and thus bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Know that being redeemed does not equal salvation. Christ redeemed the whole world.

So the unbeliever is bought/ransomed/redeemed according to Peter.

John says...

English Standard Bible - 1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

NKJV
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

There is no contingency here, the whole world has been propitiated.
 

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I hope they did, BUT, that's a very BIG IF! We will find out VERY soon. This is the terminal generation. Judgment Day is DEAD AHEAD!

His comment was "all humans have been redeemed based on Christ's work on the Cross."

Jesus' comment was, Mt 7 Narrow is the way to life and FEW there be who find it.

A “one on one” Relationship IS the KEY for a man to Receive or Forego Salvation.

There ARE millions of men who are, liars, cheats, thieves, killers, bullies…WHO …
“ARE” Saved by, through, of Accepting Jesus”.

There ARE millions of men who were, who are liars, cheats, thieves, killers, bullies…WHO have Died, and Been or Will Be Saved by, through, of God.

Those ^^ “such” men…. ARE the Causes of the “present” IN THIS WORLD….
Tribulations Among and Between men.

Such Tribulations….
* Have nothing to do with a man’s Salvation.
* Do Have a Negative Effect on Rewards God Has Offered.
* Do give the World at large, Effected by the Negatives, Hurts, Sorrows, of man against man…

It IS a…
…A Teeny, Tiny, Glimpse of the Grave Negative Effects God has Promised To Unleash “His Authorized Tribulations upon the Whole World AND the occupants / inhabitants”… “upon the face of this World.”

The Only men NOT subject to those Tribulations…(from Heaven) ARE…
* Dead men
* Sealed Raptured men
* the 144,000 Marked Tribesmen

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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I hope they did, BUT, that's a very BIG IF! We will find out VERY soon. This is the terminal generation. Judgment Day is DEAD AHEAD!

Agree.

His comment was "all humans have been redeemed based on Christ's work on the Cross."1

All “SHALL Believe”…
All “Shall NOT be Saved”…

Due to The LACK of Understanding…many will not Agree or comprehend how that can be so.
 

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There is always one in every crowd who lacks basic training in the Word, but speaks dogmatically. Let me quote you some verses that may help you see the light. I selected a variety of Translations...

2 Peter 2.1
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought (redeemed) them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

[These false teachers who bring in destructive heresies, even denying to Lord... (these are unbelievers who have been redeemed).]

Good New Translation
False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction.

Weymouth New Testament
But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be teachers of falsehood among you also, who will cunningly introduce fatal divisions, disowning even the Sovereign Lord who has redeemed them, and bringing on themselves swift destruction.

New American Bible
There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.

New International Version.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

NET Bible
But false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. These false teachers will infiltrate your midst with destructive heresies, even to the point of denying the Master who bought them. As a result, they will bring swift destruction on themselves.

Lamsa Bible (this Translation comes from the Aramaic version)
BUT there were false prophets also among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the LORD who has redeemed them, and thus bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Know that being redeemed does not equal salvation. Christ redeemed the whole world.

So the unbeliever is bought/ransomed/redeemed according to Peter.

John says...

English Standard Bible - 1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

NKJV
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

There is no contingency here, the whole world has been propitiated.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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A “one on one” Relationship IS the KEY for a man to Receive or Forego Salvation.

There ARE millions of men who are, liars, cheats, thieves, killers, bullies…WHO …
“ARE” Saved by, through, of Accepting Jesus”.
Seriously???
 

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Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
You did address my post. Do that, and I will show you why Mt 7 is not for unbelievers.
 

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Seriously???

Yes, seriously.

Relationships BETWEEN “man AND man”
is NOT the determining Factor For Salvation!

The determining Factor For Salvation rests on an individual “persons” relationship WITH the Lord God.

Glory to God,
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How do you know it wasn't Satan?
Good question, How do you know it was not Satan communicating to you? As for me, Jesus brought me to heaven in all its splendor and glory. I heard things I can not speak to anyone about. Besides, everything Jesus revealed to me while in heaven was confirmed in the Bible.
 

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I think there will be LOTS of OSASers spending eternity with the Devil who made up the OSAS doctrine.
Including Paul?

1 Tim 1:15-16,

This is a trustworthy - saying, - worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst.​
But for this very reason - I was shown mercy, so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His perfect patience as an example to those who would believe in Him for eternal life.​
 
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Good question, How do you know it was not Satan communicating to you?
Because I read what Jesus said. He said Hell Fire is EVERLASTING!
As for me, Jesus brought me to heaven in all its splendor and glory. I heard things I can not speak to anyone about. Besides, everything Jesus revealed to me while in heaven was confirmed in the Bible.
Did he tell you the Bible was wrong about the clear teachings of Hell Fire?
 

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Including Paul?

Paul did not teach OSAS

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (same word used as reprobate).

Had he believed it was not possible to lose salvation he would not have said what he said in 1 Corinthians 9:27


This is a trustworthy - saying, - worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst.

Speaking of sin that was on his record that the Lord chose to not remember when He got born again

2 Corinthians 7:2
Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man.

Do you think Paul was lying in 2 Corinthians 7:2 ???
 

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Because I read what Jesus said. He said Hell Fire is EVERLASTING!

It's sad that some folks claim Jesus Christ is a liar who made false statements about hell being everlasting


Did he tell you the Bible was wrong about the clear teachings of Hell Fire?

Obviously he was hearing from a fake "jesus" which is a demon spirit.

We know this because the Real Jesus always points people to what He has said in His Word.