We can't Earn : What is FREE

[Behold]

Reader,

So many Christians are trying to earn and keep what God has already given to them for free, and forever.

Listen, if you are born again, then you belong to God, forever, having been purchased by the Blood of Jesus.

You are "bought with a price" and that price is Jesus's Shed Blood.

See, God didnt save you with the Blood of Jesus, so that you can try to prove you can earn it, later.

Reader, we, me, you, us, ......we were in our sins, an enemy of God on the day that we realized Jesus and Trusted in Christ.
This means that "while we were yet sinners" God has saved us, forgiven us, and made us His own, by the precious Blood of Jesus.

Listen......"by ONE MAN's Obedience" we are made RIGHTEOUS".

Who is that "ONE" ???? ? That is not me......that is not you, that is JESUS on The Cross who Himself has made us worthy before God.. and this same Jesus, and This same Shed Blood that God accepted to accept me and you, is ETERNAL......is an : Eternal Sacrifice.

Look, read, believe..

"Jesus is the ONE TIME.........Eternal........Sacrifice for sin".

Jesus has our sin, and we have God's righteousness, because God gave it to us as "the gift of Righteousness", the instant we trusted in Christ.

So, What are you supposed to do with this REVELATION?
You are supposed to BELIEVE IT, and stop trying to earn, what is freely given and only based on The Blood of Jesus.

Romans 5,,,,, "Being NOW JUSTIFIED by His BLOOD"........"We were reconciled to God by the death of Jesus".

ITS COMPLETED !

See that?
That is your Salvation, and you are to understand this, and BELIEVE IT........ and RELAX and ENJOY this Gift, this GRACE, this eternal Salvation that God has provided to us through Christ.

Reader, .. CHRISTianity, is not a JOB.........its a GIFT from God.

Enjoy it.
Rejoice in it.
Praise God for it.

 

[Gottservant]

You can't enjoy Heaven, without loving the work!

Jesus is the reason: to love the work!

Salvation yes, Salvation with works more!

 

[Grailhunter]

Some would like to say that we have nothing to do with our salvation. That is false.
The free gift is the opportunity for salvation.
But we are not eligible for the free gift until we decide to have faith....we initiate our salvation.
Then we have to live The Way. Do our best to be moral. Do our best.....that is our effort.
Acts 2:38 and the Bread and Wine ritual.....What happens if we do not do that? Our effort again.
Good Deeds......help others.....The Sheep and the Goats.....those that did not help others went to hell. So Good Deeds are our effort.....Some call it work(s) but most of the time biblically, work means observance of the Mosaic Law.
Helping other is not that type of work....Going to church and standing with other Christians and worshipping the Lord is not that type of work.....it is just what real Christians do.

 

[Behold]

Some would like to say that we have nothing to do with our salvation. That is false.

Our Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.
Nothing else can compare, and there is nothing else God will accept, as its God who sent Jesus to the Cross as our eternal salvation.

Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is the only way to the Father..,., John 14:6

So, you can accept this, or you can continue to try to save yourself @Grailhunter .

You get to choose whether you are going to place your trust in the Blood of Jesus that is your redemption, or you get to keep resisting it and contradicting it in your posts and in your heart.

Thats on YOU.

 

[Grailhunter]

Our Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.
Nothing else can compare, and there is nothing else God will accept, as its God who sent Jesus to the Cross as our eternal salvation.

Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is the only way to the Father..,., John 14:6

So, you can accept this, or you can continue to try to save yourself @Grailhunter .

You get to choose whether you are going to place your trust in the Blood of Jesus that is your redemption, or you get to keep resisting it and contradicting it in your posts and in your heart.

Thats on YOU.

Did not say I was saving myself.....
Salvation is through Yeshua. But you must believe in Him to be saved. If you do not believe in Him....first.....you cannot be saved. We make the first move. The belief that we are saved just on the merit that Yeshua died on the cross for us is universalism and that is a false belief.

Acts 2:38 and the Bread and Wine ritual are mandatory, there is no scripture that says they are optional.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 19:9

If we are followers of Christ we obey His teachings. Christianity is a religion of morality given to us by Yeshua. Obedience.

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? Luke 6:36

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2nd Corinthians 5:10

Again...
Some would like to say that we have nothing to do with our salvation. That is false.
The free gift is the opportunity for salvation.
But we are not eligible for the free gift until we decide to have faith....we initiate our salvation.
Then we have to live The Way. Do our best to be moral. Do our best.....that is our effort.
Acts 2:38 and the Bread and Wine ritual.....What happens if we do not do that? Our effort again.
Good Deeds......help others.....The Sheep and the Goats.....those that did not help others went to hell. So Good Deeds are our effort.....Some call it work(s) but most of the time biblically, work means observance of the Mosaic Law.
Helping other is not that type of work....Going to church and standing with other Christians and worshipping the Lord is not that type of work.....it is just what real Christians do.

 

[Behold]

Did not say I was saving myself.....

Listen,

everytime you try to prove that you have to meet some requirement to offer God along with Christ's Blood and death, then you are proving your Legalism.

Your main issue, is that you have not realized yet that DISCIPLESHIP........is not SALVATiON.

See, our Salvaiton is the shed blood and death of Jesus that God accepts to accept us, and nothing else will He accept, as nothing else is acceptable to God on our behalf.
Salvation is the Gift of Jesus's Blood and Death for you....... That is your Salvation, and there is no other @Grailhunter .

And if you have been Saved... (born again) not just water baptized.......and know the day you trusted in Christ, then that is your day of Salvation. That is the Day that God took you, a Hell bound sinner and made you RIGHTEOUS, by giving to you "imputed righteousness" that comes AFTER God forgives all your sin forever, with the Blood of Jesus.
So, now being MADE RIGHTEOUS, you have Salvation... and that is a "GIFT" from God that Christ EARNED on The Cross.

Then what?

Your Discipleship begins.........this is all those good deeds you are to perform and pursue.. , as that is your Discipleship........not Your Salvation.

Do you see the difference?
See, a person can do all those deeds they think are "what a Christians is supposed to do", and yet not have Salvation, and die and go to Hell like a bullet, believing all the way there that they were accepted by God based on PERFORMANCE.
Hell is filled with water baptized PERFORMERS.... (not born again).....and thousands will be added today.

And, a person can have Salvation, be born again.... and afterwards, they never become a very good disciple.

 

[Pearl]

I think some churches or so-called churches make people believe that God's grace and their salvation is something that they must work for, something that has to be earned. It is sad but people believe this trash because they trust their leaders.

 

[Grailhunter]

Listen,

everytime you try to prove that you have to meet some requirement to offer God along with Christ's Blood and death, then you are proving your Legalism.

Your main issue, is that you have not realized yet that DISCIPLESHIP........is not SALVATiON.

See, our Salvaiton is the shed blood and death of Jesus that God accepts to accept us, and nothing else will He accept, as nothing else is acceptable to God on our behalf.
Salvation is the Gift of Jesus's Blood and Death for you....... That is your Salvation, and there is no other @Grailhunter .

And if you have been Saved... (born again) not just water baptized.......and know the day you trusted in Christ, then that is your day of Salvation. That is the Day that God took you, a Hell bound sinner and made you RIGHTEOUS, by giving to you "imputed righteousness" that comes AFTER God forgives all your sin forever, with the Blood of Jesus.
So, now being MADE RIGHTEOUS, you have Salvation... and that is a "GIFT" from God that Christ EARNED on The Cross.

Then what?

Your Discipleship begins.........this is all those good deeds you are to perform and pursue.. , as that is your Discipleship........not Your Salvation.

Do you see the difference?
See, a person can do all those deeds they think are "what a Christians is supposed to do", and yet not have Salvation, and die and go to Hell like a bullet, believing all the way there that they were accepted by God based on PERFORMANCE.
Hell is filled with water baptized PERFORMERS.... (not born again).....and thousands will be added today.

And, a person can have Salvation, be born again.... and afterwards, they never become a very good disciple.

It is a crazy ideal that you can accept salvation and then do anything you want and still go to heaven, almost demonic. Heaven full of low lifes and homosexuals and murders and thieves and whores and whoremongers and child molesters. It is just pretty much anti-Christian.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:3-5 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12

2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad..

Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

Christ and Apostles did not believe in legalism because morality is not defined by laws.....no laws. We follow Yeshua's example and teachings.....We obey Yeshua, that is not legalism.

Although we can lose our salvation through sin.....we also can get forgiveness. But it is not a license to sin. You can ask for forgiveness and do our best not to sin, but you cannot play Christ for a fool.....He knows your intent and you will find yourself in hell. Yeshua will judge us fairly and determine who will go to heaven or hell.

 

[Behold]

I think some churches or so-called churches make people believe that God's grace and their salvation is something that they must work for, something that has to be earned. It is sad but people believe this trash because they trust their leaders.

So true.

The Devil is alive and he has his workers on the job, and they have 2 main jobs regarding humans.

1.) Keep as many people away from Salvation, as possible.

2.) Completely Ruin the faith of those who have believed.

The Devil's deception is very powerful., and its irresistable. The only way for a Christian to keep from being deceived by the Devil's theology, is to completely understand how we are saved, and the eternal effect of this Grace of God.

Heb 13:9 (KJV) tells us what we have to do with our HEART, regarding what we believe, or we will be deceived by a "doctrine of devils", that is a false theology, that often sounds TRUE, as that is how the Devil deceives people.
We have to "establish our heart with Grace".......and that means, we have to completely understand that our Salvation is completed by Jesus, and given to us as a Gift, from God.
And once we have this as our Heart of Faith, then the Devil cannot ruin our faith.

 

[Behold]

It is a crazy ideal that you can accept salvation and then do anything you want and still go to heaven,

What is "crazy" is that people who dont understand God's "GIFT of Salvation" that is "the GIFT of Righteousness"...., and are probably not saved, cannot understand that God's Grace, that is God's Gift of Salvation, has no CAUSE found in a sinner.
So.... Salvation is a GIFT........ and This means that a sinner who is saved, was saved while they were a sinner, and now that they are a saved sinner, they still have nothing to offer God that He would accept to accept them or keep them, or you, or me.

So, the unsaved person, or the backslidden christian, (the Legalist) can't understand that Salvation is not...>>"God started it, and now i have to complete it"..
So, because of this spiritual blindness and Theological ignorance, their FLESH that is their carnal mind always gets the best of them, and drives them to try to prove that they have some self effort to do, to try to be saved and STAY saved.
They dont understand Salvation which is The Cross of Christ, so, all they can do is insult God's Grace as they try to prove their works are requried to STAY Saved.
This type of "christian" ends up as a castaway, bumbling through life, a religious dumpster, .. who only wants to argue WHY they believe their WORKS are required by God, to Stay Saved.
Avoid these people, as they will ruin your faith, if they possibly can, exactly as their was ruined by some hyper religious Heretic (cult) who taught them.

 

[Grailhunter]

What is "crazy" is that people who dont understand God's "GIFT of Salvation" that is "the GIFT of Righteousness"...., and are probably not saved, cannot understand that God's Grace, that is God's Gift of Salvation, has no CAUSE found in a sinner.
So.... Salvation is a GIFT........ and This means that a sinner who is saved, was saved while they were a sinner, and now that they are a saved sinner, they still have nothing to offer God that He would accept to accept them or keep them, or you, or me.

So, the unsaved person, or the backslidden christian, (the Legalist) can't understand that Salvation is not...>>"God started it, and now i have to complete it"..
So, because of this spiritual blindness and Theological ignorance, their FLESH that is their carnal mind always gets the best of them, and drives them to try to prove that they have some self effort to do, to try to be saved and STAY saved.
They dont understand Salvation which is The Cross of Christ, so, all they can do is insult God's Grace as they try to prove their works are requried to STAY Saved.
This type of "christian" ends up as a castaway, bumbling through life, a religious dumpster, .. who only wants to argue WHY they believe their WORKS are required by God, to Stay Saved.
Avoid these people, as they will ruin your faith, if they possibly can, exactly as their was ruined by some hyper religious Heretic (cult) who taught them.

The Gospel according to Behold......LOL

 

[Behold]

The Gospel according to Behold......LOL

Its the Gospel according to : Paul, who stated this 3x.........in the NT..........He said its "MY Gospel".
And if YOU or anyone like you preaches any other, then you are ""CURSED""........and you can find that curse in Galatians 1:8.
Check it out @Grailhunter . (if you own a bible)......If not, Google it.,and try using a KJV version.

 

[Grailhunter]

Its the Gospel according to : Paul, who stated this 3x.........in the NT..........He said its "MY Gospel".
And if YOU or anyone like you preaches any other, then you are ""CURSED""........and you can find that curse in Galatians 1:8.
Check it out @Grailhunter . (if you own a bible)......If not, Google it.,and try using a KJV version.

I do not see anything you posted from Paul. On the other hand Post 8 is full of scriptures from Paul.
What you believe is not what the scriptures tell us and your belief does not even make sense.
Cherry picking is no way to understand the Bible as a whole.

 

[Pearl]

Philippians 1:6
(be) confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

[Pearl]

The Gospel according to Behold......LOL

Not just according to @Behold , it's according to God's word. It's just sad that so many people don't understand it properly.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not just according to @Behold , it's according to God's word. It's just sad that so many people don't understand it properly.

Morning Pearl.
First I am going to ask "IT" is according to God's Word. What is "it"?
I can only hope that you do not believe salvation and grace is a license to sin.
God's Word.....Words from Christ's own mouth and the Apostles prove that OSAS is a scam from Hell.
Don't get me wrong.....I will debate both sides of the stability of salvation. Yahweh did not give His only begotten Son to provide salvation for us that can be lost at the drop of a hat. He knows just as well as we do that we cannot be perfect. On the other hand we cannot play Yeshua for a fool. He went through Hell for us....the passion and the cross.
But for us to give little consideration for what He told us to do and not to do is criminal in itself and deserving of Hell. Yeshua knows what we are and our intent and will judge fairly.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Hebrew 6:4-6

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness. Matthew 7:21-23

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2nd Corinthians 5:10

There are over a dozen more scriptures that will back these up. Beyond that just common sense applies..... Christ is not a God of poor morals and Christ did not teach poor morals and Christianity is not a religion of poor morals and Heaven is not the destination for those of poor morals. To say any different is lie.

 

[Behold]

I do not see anything you posted from Paul.

I posted from Romans Ch 3-5.

See, Paul's Salvation Doctrine, is spread throughout His 13 epistles.
What you should do, is start with Romans 3:21-28, which is what ive been showing you, specifically.

 

[Behold]

I can only hope that you do not believe salvation and grace is a license to sin.

1.) Salvation is eternal, because Jesus is Salvation and Eternal Life

And regarding sin.......God does not charge a Born again Believer with Sin, because God has already allowed Jesus to die for them all...2000 yrs ago.
There go your sins., and so being made righteous by God base on our faith, we are found as a "new Creation in Christ".

Jesus is our sin bearer.........and Hes also our Eternal Life and Righteousness.

2.) Also, the born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace".......so there is no Law held against a born again Christian that can define a Born Again Christian as a sinner, ever again.

A.) God's Grace prevents the Law from being able to define us...as we (the born again) are now eternally defined as a "new Creation in Christ".

3.) When Paul tells us we are "made free" from Sin.......its more then just to be eternally forgiven... .....

God's grace is so amazing.

If you look at Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19, you'll find out something about God's Salvation that is vital to understand.

 

[Pearl]

Morning Pearl.
First I am going to ask "IT" is according to God's Word. What is "it"?
I can only hope that you do not believe salvation and grace is a license to sin.
God's Word.....Words from Christ's own mouth and the Apostles prove that OSAS is a scam from Hell.
Don't get me wrong.....I will debate both sides of the stability of salvation. Yahweh did not give His only begotten Son to provide salvation for us that can be lost at the drop of a hat. He knows just as well as we do that we cannot be perfect. On the other hand we cannot play Yeshua for a fool. He went through Hell for us....the passion and the cross.
But for us to give little consideration for what He told us to do and not to do is criminal in itself and deserving of Hell. Yeshua knows what we are and our intent and will judge fairly.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Hebrew 6:4-6

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness. Matthew 7:21-23

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2nd Corinthians 5:10

There are over a dozen more scriptures that will back these up. Beyond that just common sense applies..... Christ is not a God of poor morals and Christ did not teach poor morals and Christianity is not a religion of poor morals and Heaven is not the destination for those of poor morals. To say any different is lie.

The Gospel according to Behold......LOL

This is what you said @Grailhunter and my reply was to say that this is the Gospel is according to God, and @Behold has it right.

 

[Pearl]

I can only hope that you do not believe salvation and grace is a license to sin.

Of course I don't, why would you ask such a thing?

Sin with a S is enmity toward God, and so being separated from Him.

Sin with a s is the wrongdoings we all commit even after we are saved. But when we put ourselves in God's hands through our spiritual re-birth in Jesus the Holy Spirit works within us to change us. We are, as been said many times by many people, a work in progress.