Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Jack]

It's sad that some folks claim Jesus Christ is a liar who made false statements about hell being everlasting

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ...

Obviously he was hearing from a fake "jesus" which is a demon spirit.

Matthew 5:22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

We know this because the Real Jesus always points people to what He has said in His Word.

And I just quoted Him twice. And another coming up!

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And I just quoted Him twice. And another coming up!

I'm not the one claiming Jesus lied about hell...

 

[Jack]

I'm not the one claiming Jesus lied about hell...

Since I quoted Jesus several times you surely aren't referring to me.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Since I quoted Jesus several times you surely aren't referring to me.

I wasn't saying you were not accepting what Jesus said about hell.

I'm glad you do. Many on here claim Jesus lied about hell or otherwise doesn't know what He's talking about which is just as bad as calling Him a liar.

So yeah, thank you for standing against the false teachers spreading the annihilationism heresy!

 

[Jack]

I wasn't saying you were not accepting what Jesus said about hell.

I'm glad you do. Many on here claim Jesus lied about hell or otherwise doesn't know what He's talking about which is just as bad as callingg Him a liar.

Perhaps we had a misunderstanding. It happens.

 

[Rich R]

Paul did not teach OSAS

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (same word used as reprobate).

Had he believed it was not possible to lose salvation he would not have said what he said in 1 Corinthians 9:27




Speaking of sin that was on his record that the Lord chose to not remember when He got born again

2 Corinthians 7:2
Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man.

Do you think Paul was lying in 2 Corinthians 7:2 ???

My thoughts on Paul lying or not are beside the point. It has nothing to do with what 1 Cor 9:27 says.

As you correctly translated the word "castaway," 1 Cor 9:27 clearly says that Paul did not want to become a "reprobate." What it does not say is that Paul was afraid of loosing the new man God created in him (Eph 4:24, Col 3:10) , the incorruptible seed (1 Pet 1:23), or the sealing with the gift of holy spirit (Eph 1:3, 4:30). God did all of that by His own will and operation through Jesus Christ. Man can not undo God's perfect work, the new creation, created in Christ Jesus

Paul sorely wanted to represent the love, the grace, the forgiveness of God. He wanted people to see the Christ in him (Col 1:27). That is the new creation. It is the work of God. Furthermore, it is a completed work which God Himself guards. We don't guard it by our behavior. Paul wanted people to see all of that because he thought it was the best thing going. He did not want to misrepresent God by riotous living. He was not talking about loosing the incorruptible see by which he was a born again son of God.

A son's behavior might disappoint his father, but he can't stop being a son. Paul did not want to disappoint His gracious heavenly Father. Paul didn't want to be a reprobate, a prodigal son. The prodigal son was indeed a reprobate, but he was still the son of the father that welcomed him home with loving arms (not to mention a delectable feast) when his reprobate days were over. That's what 1 Cor 9:27 says.

 

[KUWN]

Because I read what Jesus said. He said Hell Fire is EVERLASTING!

Did he tell you the Bible was wrong about the clear teachings of Hell Fire?

what Jesus told me was something not to be repeated. We went over about 130 doctrines giving me alone the interpretation of these doctrines. Some Christians got some right, but most of the time Christian got it wrong. The only thing he allows me to say is that he wants me to write a book on the teachings of the Bible.

 

[KUWN]

Because I read what Jesus said. He said Hell Fire is EVERLASTING!

Did he tell you the Bible was wrong about the clear teachings of Hell Fire?

No, hell is for eternity. I have never spoken on this topic. I was just letting babes in Christ know that you have not learned anything from Jesus. My posts are to show that your position is ludicrous

 

[Button]

Oh boy, another one... :)

Yeah, you don't need to be saved more than once. :) Just once, and then kept by the power of God. Once the Father gives you to Jesus, He loses not one. This is what the Bible ~ Jesus ~ teaches:

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will but the will of Him Who sent Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that I should lose nothing of all that He has given Me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” ​

[John 6:37-40]​

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."​

[1 Peter 1:3-5]​

Grace and peace to you.

Yes.
Jesus said he will lose not one of us.

Jesus died to conquer death and give us eternal life.
I think Jesus knew what he was living to preach and dying to guarantee.

 

[Jack]

what Jesus told me was something not to be repeated. We went over about 130 doctrines giving me alone the interpretation of these doctrines. Some Christians got some right, but most of the time Christian got it wrong. The only thing he allows me to say is that he wants me to write a book on the teachings of the Bible.

How do you know it wasn't Satan teaching you? You don't!

 

[Jack]

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

 

[PinSeeker]

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Right, so experientially speaking, yes, some will depart from the faith. But that says nothing about whether they ever really had faith ~ which is God's assurance of things hoped for, and conviction by the Holy Spirit of things not seen, as Hebrews 11:1 says. And... as we see in Hebrews 3:12, it is the unbelieving heart that leads those who fall away to... fall away, to depart from the faith:

"Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God" (Hebrews 3:12)

As John says of these, "...many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1 John 2:18-19).

Grace and peace to you, Jack.

 

[Rich R]

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Those verses say nothing about loosing salvation. What they do say is that, "some will depart from the faith." Just leave it at that. Don't insert what is not there.

The same pattern fits for all verses proffered as saying God's perfect creation, the new man of Eph 4:24 and Col 3:10 can be lost. What God has sealed (Eph 1:3 & 4:30), no man can unseal. All of those so-called proof verses talk about loosing fellowship, missing out on this life's blessings, complacency, spiritual stagnation, etc., not about salvation itself.

Thinking one can lose their salvation requires a constant looking at their own flesh. Am I doing OK today? Did I sin too much yesterday? Is God angry with me because I lied to my friend? That is not God's will. He tells us to keep our eyes, not on our sins, but on the savior from sin, the one who said he will not lose any of those which his Father gave him.

The prodigal son departed from his father, but he remained his father's son. He was his father's son by way of corruptible seed. God created incorruptible seed in His children (1 Pet 1:23). Abbott-Smith's Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament defines "incorruptible" as: "imperishable, immortal;" I would be loathe to suggest that man knows more than God, that man can undo God's perfect work, that Jesus didn't really finish the work God gave him.

Only by understanding the permanence of God's workmanship through Jesus Christ can one freely bask in the sunshine of God's love, mercy, and grace. When those things are doubted, life becomes a walk in darkness, one in which the final outcome is in doubt. God becomes a constant threat instead of a loving Father. That's a terrible way to live!

We love Him because He loved us first. Instead of being motivated by fear of loosing salvation, God wants us to be motivated by His undying love and care for us. We want to please Him because of the perfect work He did in us through Christ Jesus. We don't do so because we are afraid of loosing salvation. The two motivations are as opposite each other as opposite gets. The former leads to a life of joy, assurance, and blessedness. The latter leads to a life of fear, doubt and insecurity.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

My thoughts on Paul lying or not are beside the point.

Those that don't accept what the Lord says thru Paul are claiming the Lord lied and Paul was a party to it.

Man can not undo God's perfect work, the new creation, created in Christ Jesus

That's just what you think. You got that from the heretical teachings of calvinism

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (same word used as reprobate).

Paul is very clearly speaking of himself saying "But I keep under my body"

He is saying that HE has responsibility to not walk after the flesh and if he fails to do that he will become reprobate.

The prodigal son was indeed a reprobate, but he was still the son of the father that welcomed him home with loving arms (not to mention a delectable feast) when his reprobate days were over. That's what 1 Cor 9:27 says.

Jesus said the prodigal son was DEAD

He was only accepted once again after he repented and returned to his Father.

Had he not repented and returned to his Father he would have gone to hell for eternity

Bottom line is so called once saved always saved doctrine teaches the same thing satan taught Adam and Eve in the garden which is - you can disobey God and sin against Him and still be saved.

That's a doctrine of demons right there

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Yep.

One cannot depart from something they were never a part of to begin with.

The OSAS heretics claim those that fall away were never saved top begin with which is not true as we see in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 among other scripture references.

Those verses say nothing about loosing salvation

So called once saved always saved doctrine teaches the same thing satan taught Adam and Eve in the garden which is - you can disobey God and sin against Him and still be saved.

That's a doctrine of demons right there

 

[Rich R]

Those that don't accept what the Lord says thru Paul are claiming the Lord lied and Paul was a party to it.

Could you tell me exactly what I said that led you to the conclusion that I think that God and Paul lied?

That's just what you think. You got that from the heretical teachings of calvinism

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (same word used as reprobate).

Paul is very clearly speaking of himself saying "But I keep under my body"

He is saying that HE has responsibility to not walk after the flesh and if he fails to do that he will become reprobate.

Exactly! What he is not saying is that he was afraid of loosing the incorruptible seed God created in him. It does not say he was afraid of loosing his salvation.

Jesus said the prodigal son was DEAD

It's a parable. A parable is a figure of speech not meant to be taken literally. Though not meant to be taken literally, figures of speech serve to emphasize something.

Bottom line is so called once saved always saved doctrine teaches the same thing satan taught Adam and Eve in the garden which is - you can disobey God and sin against Him and still be saved.

That's a doctrine of demons right there

Adam and Eve lived well before Jesus made salvation possible. Surely you must agree that something changed with Jesus' death and resurrection.

The OSAS heretics claim those that fall away were never saved top begin with which is not true as we see in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 among other scripture references.

All of them say that? You are generalizing there. I, for example, never said such a thing.

Clearly 1 Tim 4:1 says some will "fall away." What do you think they will fall away from?

So called once saved always saved doctrine teaches the same thing satan taught Adam and Eve in the garden which is - you can disobey God and sin against Him and still be saved.

That's a doctrine of demons right there

Do you worry about loosing salvation? If so, the fear and anxiety must be absolutely stupefying.

If you really believe you maintain your own salvation through works, I'd strongly suggest you ponder what Paul said in Romans 7 as well as Galatians 3:1-3.

God keeps you. You are quite incapable of keeping yourself. But not to worry; God can and will keep even those who don't think He can.

 

[PinSeeker]

(Paul) is very clearly speaking of himself saying "But I keep under my body"... He is saying that HE has responsibility to not walk after the flesh...

Absolutely correct, but this same Paul also says the following:

"...we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them..." (Ephesians 2:10).​

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"I am sure of this, that He Who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God Who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 1:6, 2:13).​

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"...we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to Him: bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; being strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy;..." (Colossians 1:9-11)​

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"...may the Lord make you increase and abound in love for one another and for all..." (1 Thessalonians 3:12).​

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"...we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thessalonians 1:11-12).​

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"...the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit" (Galatians 5:17-25).​

So God does this in us, BBJ. We do His will, and very much willingly, but because we have the Holy Spirit. Because we have been born again of the Spirit and are thus of God, and God is our Father, our will is now to do His will, rather than to do the will of our former father, the devil. This is God's doing, and as He says to the Philippians (above), "He Who began a good work in us will..." will, not might ~ "...bring it to completion at the day of Christ."

and if he fails to do that he will become reprobate.

Yes, but if he fails, he really always was reprobate, As Jesus tells a group of Jews in John 8:

"If God were your Father, you would love Me... You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires... Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God..."​

What you say is not "bad" but would be more correct, really if you were to rephrase that and say, "if he fails to do that he will prove to all ~ and even to himself ~ that he is reprobate." As John says in 1 John 2:18-20 (cited in my previous post):

"...many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One..."​

Had he not repented and returned to his Father he would have gone to hell for eternity

Right, but it is the Holy Spirit Who convicts, and leads us to true repentance.

That's a doctrine of demons right there

Pish. You misunderstand. You don't think you do, I'm sure, but you do.

One cannot depart from something they were never a part of to begin with.

It depends on the sense in which one understands this departure. It's not in the sense of having had true faith and dispensing of it or throwing it away, but rather experiencing the benefits of it but realizing at some point that it was never in them, never their true heart.

So called once saved always saved doctrine teaches the same thing satan taught Adam and Eve in the garden which is - you can disobey God and sin against Him and still be saved.

Yeah, thinking this to be true of the "once saved always saved" doctrine is the problem. That it's somehow a "license to sin," which... is absolutely not true... perish the thought. The issue is not understanding the true scope of the change that we who are born again of the Spirit have experienced... the change in our spirit, and having the Holy Spirit in us, and the power in that, the power not of us, in and of ourselves, but the power of God.

Grace and peace to you, Big Boy.

 

[PinSeeker]

Adam and Eve lived well before Jesus made salvation possible.

Chronologically speaking, yes, but what He did made salvation possible retroactively as well as proactively... for all time. You believe that, right, Rich? Or not?.

God keeps you. You are quite incapable of keeping yourself.

Right. Just as it is impossible for man to save Himself without God working salvation in him and giving Him life in Christ Jesus, it is impossible for man to sustain Himself without God, by the work of His Spirit, sustaining/keeping him. But if God has done the former ~ made him alive in Christ ~ then God will sustain Him in Christ all the way to the day of Christ ~ thereby... well, as God Himself says in Ezekiel 11 and 36:

"I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes and be careful to obey My rules."​

Yes, good works are an essential part of our ultimate salvation, but we will do them because God has given us a new spirit, even His Holy Spirit, and our desire is now to do His will. He created us for this purpose, as Paul says in Ephesians 2 (cited above).

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Rich R]

Chronologically speaking, yes, but what He did made salvation possible retroactively as well as proactively... for all time. You believe that, right, Rich? Or not?.

I don't see that in the scriptures. I see God having one plan for Israel and another for the church of the body. I don't that the church is the true Israel. I know a few verses can be taken out of context to suggest such a thing, but the overall message of scripture does not support that doctrine.

Right. Just as it is impossible for man to save Himself without God working salvation in him and giving Him life in Christ Jesus, it is impossible for man to sustain Himself without God, by the work of His Spirit, sustaining/keeping him. But if God has done the former ~ made him alive in Christ ~ then God will sustain Him in Christ all the way to the day of Christ ~ thereby... well, as God Himself says in Ezekiel 11 and 36:

"I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes and be careful to obey My rules."​

While there is a lot the church can learn from Ezekiel, Ezekiel was sent to Israel, not the church. Given that this age was a secret until God revealed it to Paul (Rom 16:25 et. al.). Ezekiel had no idea of the church.

Yes, good works are an essential part of our ultimate salvation, but we will do them because God has given us a new spirit, even His Holy Spirit, and our desire is now to do His will. He created us for this purpose, as Paul says in Ephesians 2 (cited above).

God makes us do good works? Did we lose our free will at the new birth?

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Could you tell me exactly what I said that led you to the conclusion that I think that God and Paul lied?

You said "does not say is that Paul was afraid of loosing the new man God created in him"

Paul clearly states that if he does not keep his flesh under control he would be a reprobate.

Reprobates are no longer saved and do not go to Heaven when they croak.

This is claiming Paul lied while writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit meaning God lied.

It does not say he was afraid of loosing his salvation.

Paul is says he would lose his salvation if he walked after the flesh:

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The OSAS people are cherry pickers so they deny portions of scripture that do not fit with their false doctrines

It's a parable.

Parable means teaching, and claiming Jesus is a liar ends badly for those engaging is this sort of thing.

Adam and Eve lived well before Jesus made salvation possible. Surely you must agree that something changed with Jesus' death and resurrection.

Because they decided to listen to and act on the instructions of the devil rather than the Lord, they died spiritually which is being separated from God.

People today are making the same sinful mistake Adam and Eve made which is believing satan's lie that you can sin against God and still be in right standing with Him.

Obviously you are a purveyor of the devil's teachings that lead others to be in opposition to the Lord

All of them say that? You are generalizing there. I, for example, never said such a thing.

Clearly 1 Tim 4:1 says some will "fall away." What do you think they will fall away from?

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

These people were in the faith (born again) and then they turned away and departed from the Lord and started following seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

OSAS is teaching that comes from seducing spirits and is doctrines of devils

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Do you worry about loosing salvation?

No, because I'm not stupid enough to follow seducing spirits and is doctrines of devils like you.

If you really believe you maintain your own salvation through works, I'd strongly suggest you ponder what Paul said in Romans 7 as well as Galatians 3:1-3.

It is our responsibility to abide in Christ, to continually choose to live in agreement with Him submitting ourselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit which is always based on God's Word. You fail to understand this is done thru the power of the Holy Spirit not our own power

You apparently believe it's OK to live in rebellion and be disobedient to the Lord claiming one is still saved when doing so.

God keeps you. You are quite incapable of keeping yourself. But not to worry; God can and will keep even those who don't think He can.

So you believe it's God's fault when someone falls away?

You think God FAILED to keep them?

You agreed previously that some do fall away, so now you are blaming God claiming He FAILED to keep them so it's His fault when people fall away and end up in hell.

This sort of demonic thinking came out of calvinism

 

[Rich R]

You said "does not say is that Paul was afraid of loosing the new man God created in him"

Paul clearly states that if he does not keep his flesh under control he would be a reprobate.

Reprobates are no longer saved and do not go to Heaven when they croak.

You are reading something into the word "reprobate" that is simply not there.

Paul is says he would lose his salvation if he walked after the flesh:

The Greek word for salvation is "soter." The Greek word for reprobate is "adokimos." God used 2 different words because they are 2 different things.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The OSAS people are cherry pickers so they deny portions of scripture that do not fit with their false doctrines

Parable means teaching, and claiming Jesus is a liar ends badly for those engaging is this sort of thing.

Here is the actual meaning of "parable" according to Strong's Concordance:

G3850 παραβολή parabole (pa-ra-ɓo-lee') n.

1. a similitude (“parable”).​

2. (symbolic) fictitious narrative (of common life conveying a moral), apothegm or adage.​

Because they decided to listen to and act on the instructions of the devil rather than the Lord, they died spiritually which is being separated from God.

People today are making the same sinful mistake Adam and Eve made which is believing satan's lie that you can sin against God and still be in right standing with Him.

Obviously you are a purveyor of the devil's teachings that lead others to be in opposition to the Lord

I'm glad Jesus is my judge and not you.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

These people were in the faith (born again) and then they turned away and departed from the Lord and started following seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

Yes they did turn away and depart. Again, what it doesn't say is that the lost the incorruptible seed God planted in them when they were born again.

No, because I'm not stupid enough to follow seducing spirits and is doctrines of devils like you.

And yet Paul wrote Romans 7 where he says he serves the law of sin in the flesh. If he serves the law of sin, I'd think you, I, and all other Christians do likewise.

It is our responsibility to abide in Christ, to continually choose to live in agreement with Him submitting ourselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit which is always based on God's Word. You fail to understand this is done thru the power of the Holy Spirit not our own power

You apparently believe it's OK to live in rebellion and be disobedient to the Lord claiming one is still saved when doing so.

Exactly what did I say that it's OK to live in rebellion? You are reading things into what I say just as you do with the scriptures.

So you believe it's God's fault when someone falls away?

What in the world gave you that impression.

The bottom line of what I say is that we all sin. But, thanks to the work of Jesus, God is able to keep us anyway. Do you think God expects us to never sin again?

You think God FAILED to keep them?

I do?

You agreed previously that some do fall away, so now you are blaming God claiming He FAILED to keep them so it's His fault when people fall away and end up in hell.

How does saying some will fall away mean God is the one who failed? Paul said some would fall away. Are you suggesting he also blamed God?

This sort of demonic thinking came out of calvinism

It does? I think it was God's idea. What do you think Jesus accomplished? If it were possible to maintain salvation by works, then the same works would bring salvation and Jesus' crucifixion would not be necessary.

The Pharisees also thought they could make it to the kingdom by works. Of course Jesus had some things to say about that!