The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

[ScottA]

But, in terms of His future second coming, scripture says that He will come from heaven in the same manner that He ascended there (Acts 1:9-11), which was visibly and bodily. You are absolutely clueless when it comes to understanding scripture.

Again, by your own understanding or the teachings of men, you only assume "the same manner" is in the flesh, physically as that man who walked among men during those times.

But what "manner" of event was it actually--worldly, fleshly...or spiritual? Again, it simply never occurred to you that it was greater.

This is why Paul came to say, "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So...it says "may be"--but you say, "will" be (condemned).

As long as you are making such assumptions...you really should not be making any claims whatsoever.

The context is that they will be, which is why some translations say "will be" instead of "may be".

2 Thessalonians 2:12 (NIV): 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

The reason God sends them strong delusion is that He has had it with them and is not willing to contend with them any longer, so He gives them over to their unbelief that results in condemnation. You are very lacking in discernment, so you are unable to discern what the text means.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again, by your own understanding or the teachings of men, you only assume "the same manner" is in the flesh, physically as that man who walked among men during those times.

But what "manner" of event was it actually--worldly, fleshly...or spiritual? Again, it simply never occurred to you that it was greater.

This is why Paul came to say, "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."

LOL. Keep on denying the truth, if you insist. That's your choice. I can't stop you. It very clearly says that they literally watched Him as He ascended from the earth, but go ahead and deny that if you want to continue making false claims.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Like I said, we need to back up. Obviously you are not ready to even consider the greater truth of God that I have laid out.

I was hopeful, but that was more advanced than I should have even mentioned.

You are delusional. You have deceived yourself into thinking that you have eschatology all figured out, but you know nothing as far as eschatology is concerned. Of course, those who are delusional are never aware of that.

 

[ScottA]

The context is that they will be, which is why some translations say "will be" instead of "may be".

2 Thessalonians 2:12 (NIV): 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

The reason God sends them strong delusion is that He has had it with them and is not willing to contend with them any longer, so He gives them over to their unbelief that results in condemnation. You are very lacking in discernment, so you are unable to discern what the text means.

There is discernment and then there is discernment. Yours is obviously that of interpretation (what you think is correct). And yes, He gives them over to their unbelief and strong delusion. But a lifeline was foretold, and you have rejected it. So be it.

 

[ScottA]

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You are delusional. You have deceived yourself into thinking that you have eschatology all figured out, but you know nothing as far as eschatology is concerned. Of course, those who are delusional are never aware of that.

You wouldn't--couldn't--know, yet here you are making accusations ("You shall know them by their fruit").

 

[Earburner]

The timing of the fulfillment of the verse that this thread is about, which is 2 Thessalonians 1:10, will be on the same day when "the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ". Are you implying that you think Jesus already came "from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ"?

Absolutely the truth, as stated in KJV Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the SAME [24 hour] day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the [24 hour] day the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Taken]

The PRE-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

@Spiritual Israelite

To YOU, What does “Rapture” mean?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

@Spiritual Israelite

To YOU, What does “Rapture” mean?

The rapture refers to the event where all believers in the church will be gathered and caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 2 Thessalonians 2:1). You showed here that I referenced 2 Thessalonians 1:10. Do you think that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe" at some other time than when the rapture occurs?

 

[Taken]

The rapture refers to the event where all believers in the church

I believe there are clarifying Distinctions…
What Church?
…Man-made called Christian churches?
Or
…Christ Jesus’ Church?

Believers…
What Believers?
Believe, doubt, believe, not sure, etc. still living in their natural flesh?
Or
“converted Believers”, having Already been forgiven, soul restored, spirit quickened, Body crucified dead, Live IN Christs Risen Body?

will be gathered and caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17,

2 Thessalonians 2:1). You showed here that I referenced 2 Thessalonians 1:10.

Don’t recall that.

Do you think that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe" at some other time than when the rapture occurs?

Yes. Judgement Day, when He is Seen by All,
Saved, unsaved, living, dead… and once seen, all will believe and bow and worship Him.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[jeffweeder]

I believe there are clarifying Distinctions…
What Church?
…Man-made called Christian churches?
Or
…Christ Jesus’ Church?

There is only one Church to consider and they are true believers.
Only they will inherit the promise.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I believe there are clarifying Distinctions…
What Church?
…Man-made called Christian churches?
Or
…Christ Jesus’ Church?

The church referenced in scripture is made up of true Christians who have genuine faith in Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.

Don’t recall that.

What? Look at your post #28. What you quoted that I had said comes from 2 Thessalonians 1:10.

Yes. Judgement Day, when He is Seen by All,
Saved, unsaved, living, dead… and once seen, all will believe and bow and worship Him.

Why would you not think that the day when He comes "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe" would not be the same day of the rapture when all of His saints are all gathered to Him in the air?

 

[Taken]

There is only one Church to consider and they are true believers.
Only they will inherit the promise.

Hi Jeff-
Yes… but you didn’t identify “That one church”.

Point being…
Reality…VS…Spiritual
Denominations…VS…Spiritual
Protestant…VS…Spiritual
Catholic…VS…Spiritual

Reality, is Some Denominations members can / do highlight “Their Denomination” IS the “TRUE” Church.

Spiritually, The “True” Church, IS CHRIST, IS Being IN Christ…
(no brick, mortal, building, built by men, no rituals to enter, dress code, incense, statues, artificial light, specific geographical location, etc.)

“THE PROMISE”…
Covenant From God…TO…(Hebrews, Israel, Tribes)…
BELIEF, “Before Mortal Death”.
God WILL Save; After THAT Death.
“THAT Death, IS physical”.
When? Such mans glorified Body, Raised, First Resurrection.

Promise From Jesus…TO…(ALL men, Jews & Gentiles)…
Heartful CONFESSED BELIEF, “Before Bodily Death”
Christ Jesus WILL Save; After THAT Death.
“THAT Death, IS Spiritual,
Body Crucified, with Jesus,
Man Raised, Temporarily, Living “IN” Jesus’ Risen BODY” … UNTIL, his own Body, mortally Dies…and is Raised…in its Own Immortal Glorified Body…
When? Rapture.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The church referenced in scripture is made up of true Christians who have genuine faith in Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.


What? Look at your post #28. What you quoted that I had said comes from 2 Thessalonians 1:10.

Okay

Why would you not ]/B]think that the day when He comes "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe" would not be the same day of the rapture when all of His saints are all gathered to Him in the air?

I did not say that.
Yes, of course…
BEFORE Jesus comes….AND AFTER Jesus COMES….”Saints” Glorify Jesus.

Also…AFTER Jesus Comes…
There IS Judgement.
Judgement Applies TO ALL men…
The Judg-ED will All stand before the Judge.
* Saints… who Believ-ed without SEEING.
* Men…who Believe, because they SEE Him.
* All Shall, bow, worship Him.

Will ALL, THEN be Saved?
No.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[jeffweeder]

Hi Jeff-
Yes… but you didn’t identify “That one church”.

Yes I did. Only God knows those who are genuinely his. Many claim to follow and serve him but he never knew them at all.
How would you identify them?

 

[Taken]

Yes I did.

I was speaking…NOT of members, but “the difference in Churches…
Man made… different by denominations.
Christ Church…men IN Christ.

Only God knows those who are genuinely his.

Partly true.
The man also knows.

Many claim to follow and serve him but he never knew them at all.

Many are “Tasters”…(can temporarily enjoy faith, blessings and fall away)
Few are “Eaters”…(can Never fall away from Faith)
And would agree, many know not the Difference.

How would you identify them?

Christ Church members…?
“confessed, forgiven Heartful believers, Converted IN Christ.”

Man made churches members…?
Agree to Obey THAT Church's’ Doctrine.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I did not say that.
Yes, of course…
BEFORE Jesus comes….AND AFTER Jesus COMES….”Saints” Glorify Jesus.

So, what makes you decide that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 does not apply to when the rapture occurs?

 

[WPM]

The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

@Spiritual Israelite

To YOU, What does “Rapture” mean?

There is no other rapture.

 

[Taken]

So, what makes you decide that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 does not apply to when the rapture occurs?

Because…
The Raptured saints return to Earth WITH Jesus.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

@Spiritual Israelite

Oh… ya… ok gotcha…TOTALY makes no sense…TY.

“Correction, should read “pre- Trib rapture”…

Post from my phone… and don’t proof read…oops.