Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Taken]

Brains bigger than yours attest to the fact that God is shown to be a plurality in the OT.

WHY do you fight it?

Because you prefer to adhere to your heretical belief system instead of the Christian belief system.

And find out what heretical means before you get all....
bent out of shape.

Words have meanings.
We should learn them.

Plurality … Applies to … Your multiple Names, Titles, Descriptions.

Your Name on this Forum is “Wrangler”.
Your Description on this Forum is “Member”.

YET… you have multiple NAMES…and TITLES…and DESCRIPTIONS that Particular People Call you and Other People Do NOT.

Examples…
Dad, G-Pa, Head of household, neighbor, friend, employer, employee, co-worker, boss, husband, sweetheart, honey, son, brother, smart, government name, Nick names, Mister ____…
(deaf, mute, impaired, liar, thief, cheater, dumb, idiot, inmate, blind, arrogant, kind, truthful, faithful, lost, stingy, graceful, clumsy, talented, on and on.

Brains bigger than yours attest to the fact that God is shown to be a plurality in the OT.

Your conclusion, implying Brain size matters to determine intelligence, and “some unknown people have bigger brains than me, and so I might want to reconsider my “Spiritual Belief”… according to some unknown persons Brains Beliefs.

My “Spiritual Beliefs” are my Hearts Beliefs and …have nothing to do with my Mindful Brains Thoughts and Logical ciphering.

My “Understandings” of my Spiritual Beliefs, comes From my One Lord God Almighty… who directly TO me, according to “His and Mine” WHOLLY one to one Relationship…
I ASK Him, He Responds to me.
I TRUST, His Responses are Absolute Truth.

The Lord God Almighty has numerous Names, Titles, Descriptions, AND Works He Accomplishes According TO His Will and His Pleasure.
He has SPIRITUAL Blessings and Gifts and Rewards He Offers for manKIND To Take, Have, Possess…OR Reject.

God IS Spirit.
A mans Communication WITH God IS Spiritual…because…a mans Carnal Minded Brains ARE Natural, and conclude natural Thoughts… and IS Naturally AGAINST God, incapable of Believing IN a God, the man can NOT see, hear, touch, smell, taste.

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1 Cor 2:
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You put too much weight on “Brain matter” regarding “Spiritual Things”.

Once the Apostles learned, They prayed for other men to come to a point… to regard Spiritual things with the knowledge of Gods Will, Gods Wisdom and Gods “Spiritual Understanding”.

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Friendly Advice;
Stop following after what other mens Carnal MINDS Believe.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

the 1,000's of times God uses singular

Take “pronouns” in stride. Context.

The Big Picture IS a man coming to the Spiritual Conclusion…
All the Names, Titles, Descriptions… regarding the Creator and Maker…
IS ONE God.

His Kingdom IS the Heavens.
His Throne IS The Heavens.
His Kingdom SHALL include Earth.
His Throne SHALL one day Include Earth.

His Estate IS where no man can Go, IS the Heaven Above Heavens.
The Same Place where His Word WAS…
His Word came Forth From Gods Mouth, in a body God Prepared.
And The Same Heaven Above the Heavens Where His Word, in the body God Prepared … Returned TO.
Where His Word, in the body God Prepared
…SHALL one day, return to Earth…
For ALL men…ALL (saved, unsaved, bodily imparted, bodily departed, in the heavens, In hell, on Earth, WITH Him) living souls TO SEE.

A spiritual mystery, too grand for a mans carnal mind to comprehend.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

When John said no one has seen God, He meant the Father as He is.

Precisely. “As He is”… Spirit.

They (men) WHO Shall See Him “as He IS”…
Ie. SPIRIT….ARE…They who ARE:
Forgiven (for having HAD once NOT believed
Soul Saved (soul restored to good)
Spirit Quickened (born again of Gods Seed)
Body Raised (Glorified / sinless)
Goal Accomplished… to become MADE in Gods Likeness.

All others Shall SEE… the Returned body God Prepared for Jesus (with Power).

The stipulation…(sons of God)

1 John 3:
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

@GodsGrace refuses to answer what is someone called who follows Christ. Sad, isn't?

the only phrase i ever seen used
was christain . in acts i beleive chapter twelve . it says they were first called Christain in antioch .
yes some of us do enjoy to read our bible .

 

[Wrangler]

All the Names, Titles, Descriptions… regarding the Creator and Maker…
IS ONE God

One name for one God. See Ex 3:15.

15God also said to Moses, “Say this to the children of Israel: ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered for generation after generation.

 

[GodsGrace]

Plurality … Applies to … Your multiple Names, Titles, Descriptions.

Your Name on this Forum is “Wrangler”.
Your Description on this Forum is “Member”.

YET… you have multiple NAMES…and TITLES…and DESCRIPTIONS that Particular People Call you and Other People Do NOT.

Examples…
Dad, G-Pa, Head of household, neighbor, friend, employer, employee, co-worker, boss, husband, sweetheart, honey, son, brother, smart, government name, Nick names, Mister ____…
(deaf, mute, impaired, liar, thief, cheater, dumb, idiot, inmate, blind, arrogant, kind, truthful, faithful, lost, stingy, graceful, clumsy, talented, on and on.



Your conclusion, implying Brain size matters to determine intelligence, and “some unknown people have bigger brains than me, and so I might want to reconsider my “Spiritual Belief”… according to some unknown persons Brains Beliefs.

My “Spiritual Beliefs” are my Hearts Beliefs and …have nothing to do with my Mindful Brains Thoughts and Logical ciphering.

My “Understandings” of my Spiritual Beliefs, comes From my One Lord God Almighty… who directly TO me, according to “His and Mine” WHOLLY one to one Relationship…
I ASK Him, He Responds to me.
I TRUST, His Responses are Absolute Truth.

The Lord God Almighty has numerous Names, Titles, Descriptions, AND Works He Accomplishes According TO His Will and His Pleasure.
He has SPIRITUAL Blessings and Gifts and Rewards He Offers for manKIND To Take, Have, Possess…OR Reject.

God IS Spirit.
A mans Communication WITH God IS Spiritual…because…a mans Carnal Minded Brains ARE Natural, and conclude natural Thoughts… and IS Naturally AGAINST God, incapable of Believing IN a God, the man can NOT see, hear, touch, smell, taste.

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1 Cor 2:
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You put too much weight on “Brain matter” regarding “Spiritual Things”.

Once the Apostles learned, They prayed for other men to come to a point… to regard Spiritual things with the knowledge of Gods Will, Gods Wisdom and Gods “Spiritual Understanding”.

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Friendly Advice;
Stop following after what other mens Carnal MINDS Believe.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Nothing to do with the names of God.
And, yes, brains bigger than ours have already determined the Christian faith.

God bless you too taken.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not! Appears you are however!
No!
Yes!
Yes! Constintine didn't create Christian religion. However, he did (how can I say) "REFORM" IT!
Ones' that met "in secret!"

If it's so secret how come YOU know about it?

And, I repeat, the CHRISTIAN RELIGION was already ESTABLISHED before Constantine.

Heresies were already being removed from the church by those that came after the Apostles, also known as Early Church Fathers. The Christian religion did not have to wait for a Roman to estalish it.

Christ Mens!
The catholic or universal church! And that's when the "war" started!
I see at this point? I have exceeded the limits of your medication!
Nehemiah 9:17
And refused to obey, neither were mindful of thy wonders that thou didst among them; but hardened their necks, and in their rebellion appointed a captain to return to their bondage: but thou art a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and forsookest them not.

Good night NayborBear.
Go back from whence you've come and stay there a little longer next time.
You're a disgrace to the Christian faith.

 

[Wrangler]

You're a disgrace to the Christian faith.

Ouch! Do you praise the Lord with that mouth?

 

[GodsGrace]

Ouch! Do you praise the Lord with that mouth?

Actually Wrangler,,,
this mouth says the same to YOU.

 

[GodsGrace]

No verse teaches this.

There must be a rationalization for making this claim, such as expressed forgiveness, issued Judgment. Why would the Creator pose as one of his Created?

Well, this is because your brain can't reach that far.

Fortunately for Christianity, we have brains that can reach that far and even farther.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace refuses to answer what is someone called who follows Christ. Sad, isn't?

Are you dumb?
This thread is at about 1500 posts.
You can write that I haven't posted what a Christian is?

And you speak of intellectual honesty.
Your're a joke to the Christian faith.

Following Christ is NOT SUFFICIENT.
That makes you a follower of Christ.

It does NOT make you a CHRISTIAN.
Because YOU do not accept Christian tenets that MUST be adhered to.

Go back and read and find a post where I listed them.
Or ferme ta bouche.

 

[GodsGrace]

All you got is personal attack, Appeal to Authority (right @HealthyShape?). In other words, one logical fallacy after another.


Because what you claim is not actually taught in Scripture. Just ignore the 1,000's of times God uses singular pronoun to "support" your doctrine.

Know what YOUR problem is Wrangler?
You don't even trust SCRIPTURE.

And you're totally ignorant of church history...
as if history ended with the book of Acts.

Get your head out of those dumb philosopyh books and learn your faith system instead.

 

[GodsGrace]

The word does not end in "s." Elohim means heavenly beings, which is plural but does not mean God is a plural person.

Oh gee wiz.
Thanks for the spelling lesson.
I WILL make an attempt to remember it.

And @HealthyShape is a Christian person.
You should get his name out of your mouth.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yep, this whole goat rodeo is Christianity's attempt to do a logical work-around for the polytheism charge. But worship is a relationship, and we worship PERSONS, not "Divine Essences". People know this at the gut level, which is why this subject won't go away.

Not talking to you tonight.
Maybe tomorrow.
Maybe not.

But if you think Christianity is a CONSPIRACY,,,maybe you should look for a different religion?
I would.

 

[GodsGrace]

So, why do you think Christianity needs to be defined? Christianity hasn't been monolithic since the Dark Ages. If it was even then. "Christianity" is currently an umbrella covering 45,000 denominations per Duck Duck Go's AI search assist.

I'm a white girl.

WHY do I need to be defined??

Why does anything need to be defined?

Let's just all make words mean whatever we want them to mean!

Yeah.
That's the ticket!

 

[GodsGrace]

I suspect it was the beloved apostle John who was the actual overseer.

Mono. I'm in a bit of a bad mood due to the dumb responses from persons that are SUPPOSED to be CHRISTIAN.

Let me say it this way:
GO STUDY SOME CHURCH HISTORY.

 

[Hiddenthings]

GO STUDY SOME CHURCH HISTORY.

It's there you will find the Apostacy.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's there you will find the Apostacy.

Do you know what APOSTACY means?
I doubt it...
since YOU are engaging in it.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Do you know what APOSTACY means?
I doubt it...
since YOU are engaging in it.

(ἀποστασία, apostasia) In the NT, apostasy implies a deliberate turning away. As I’ve said, if you study church history, especially the doctrinal development of teachings such as the Trinity, immortal soulism, heaven and hell, fallen angel theology, and so on you can see how that turning away took place.

 

[GodsGrace]

(ἀποστασία, apostasia) In the NT, apostasy implies a deliberate turning away. As I’ve said, if you study church history, especially the doctrinal development of teachings such as the Trinity, immortal soulism, heaven and hell, fallen angel theology, and so on you can see how that turning away took place.

You're not a smart guy Hidden.
Have you noticed that members have stopped posting to me just now?
Know why?
Because when a gal is as upset as I am right now at the stupidity going no in this thread...

guys are smart enough to keep away.

It would be a good lesson for you to learn, since it seems as though you don't know about it yet.

And to say IF I study church history is condescending.

Being condescending to a person is not very nice.
Do you do this in real life too or just here because you're not standing in front of me?

If your smart, you won't reply.