Not peculiar people as such

[2bme]

I haven't been able to notice any particular difference between a person who is determined to become morally disciplined as a Christian, or morally disciplined as a non-Christian. Other than that, the only thing that is unique about the Christian is the claim that their transformation was effected due to their faith in Jesus. I think it was a Christian who coined the phrase how Atheists are more disciplined than Christian's (Although they say it doesn't save the Atheist ultimately)

(Ultimately for the will of God that no-one may boast) But this isn't the unsettling part of the equation. It's the reality that it's rare to find a Christian who is actually living out a disciplined lifestyle of what they profess to be the truth. This is not just about our general struggles of body, mind and feelings that people can all agree on. It's something the Christian has internalized as being morally victorious, but in practice proves outwardly something is very wrong with what they actually believe to be true. It's as if the life of sin they believe has been conquered can continue unrecognised long after the recognition has sunk in of the penalty of those who live in opposition of God.

For me personally It is frightening to interact with them while they have convinced themselves of a harmony that is obviously false. That type of self blindness compared to how they claim to be in their faith journey ends up becoming a unmetered laser like focus to target everyone around them for the sole purpose of saving. Even if that means they need to hurt people to get them to believe.

 

[2bme]

Yes, it's very strange indeed.

 

[2bme]

So strange to such a degree I spend many hours speaking to the universe in the hope there just might be something that can fix this problem in our society.

 

[Matthias]

So strange to such a degree I spend many hours speaking to the universe in the hope there just might be something that can fix this problem in our society.

The universe can’t help you. You know who can.

 

[2bme]

The universe can’t help you. You know who can.

No, I don't. It's so obvious that you only care about forcing your beliefs on to everyone. But you don't care, because you are blind to what you are.

 

[Matthias]

No, I don't.

Yes you do. You’ve read the Bible.

It's so obvious that you only care about forcing your beliefs on to everyone.

I doubt that you know very much about my beliefs.

But you don't care, because you are blind to what you are.

What do you think I am?

 

[lforrest]

I haven't been able to notice any particular difference between a person who's determined to become morally disciplined as a Christian or morally disciplined as a non-Christian. Other than that the only thing that is unique is the Christian will claim that their behaviour was effected due to their faith in Jesus. I think it was a Christian who coined the phrase about how many Atheists are more disciplined than Christian's (Although they say that doesn't save the Atheist ultimately)

Ultimately for the will of God that no-one may boast. But this isn't the unsettling part of the equation. It's the reality that it's rare to find a Christian who is actually living a disciplined lifestyle within what they profess to be truth. This not about general struggles of body, mind and emotions that need to be addressed, it's a direct proof that something is very wrong with their adaption to a new order of moral discipline. It's as if the life of sin continues after the fact of recognition of the penalty of doing so, and It is frightening to interact with them while they have convinced themselves of a harmony that is obviously false. That type of self blindness compared to how they claim to be in their faith journey ends up becoming a unmetered laser like focus to target everyone around them for the sole purpose of saving, even if they've got to hurt them.

There are cultures where there are more social expectations. I noticed this when visiting Japan. There is more hospitality towards guests than in the US. Their people are generally respectful of others, actually giving a thought to what may cause inconvenience. Japan is mostly secular, with Buddhist traditions. Though people are free to follow other religions. There aren't many Christians there.

When the culture demands something, people adapt. Fear of rejection keeps the people in line. But are they better off for it? Human nature and perpensity to sin is the same. If human nature is like a lump of doh and you squeeze it, that nature will show through the gaps in your grip. The volume remained the same.

 

[soberxp]

I haven't been able to notice any particular difference between a person who's determined to become morally disciplined as a Christian or morally disciplined as a non-Christian. Other than that the only thing that is unique is the Christian will claim that their behaviour was effected due to their faith in Jesus. I think it was a Christian who coined the phrase about how many Atheists are more disciplined than Christian's (Although they say that doesn't save the Atheist ultimately)

Ultimately for the will of God that no-one may boast. But this isn't the unsettling part of the equation. It's the reality that it's rare to find a Christian who is actually living a disciplined lifestyle within what they profess to be truth. This not about general struggles of body, mind and emotions that need to be addressed, it's a direct proof that something is very wrong with their adaption to a new order of moral discipline. It's as if the life of sin continues after the fact of recognition of the penalty of doing so, and It is frightening to interact with them while they have convinced themselves of a harmony that is obviously false. That type of self blindness compared to how they claim to be in their faith journey ends up becoming a unmetered laser like focus to target everyone around them for the sole purpose of saving, even if they've got to hurt them.

Your point has some merit, so where do you think you should look for the answer?man or God.

 

[2bme]

Your point has some merit, so where do you think you should look for the answer?man or God.

To first become humble is a element that the Bible repeats continually. For my reading of the Bible texts, the lack of humility is something that always stands in the way of God.

 

[soberxp]

To first become humble is a element that the Bible repeats continually. For my reading of the Bible texts, the lack of humility is something that always stands in the way of God.

What if God deliberately kept everyone in disobedience as a way to show mercy to all?

 

[Aunty Jane]

I haven't been able to notice any particular difference between a person who's determined to become morally disciplined as a Christian or morally disciplined as a non-Christian. Other than that the only thing that is unique is the Christian will claim that their behaviour was effected due to their faith in Jesus. I think it was a Christian who coined the phrase about how many Atheists are more disciplined than Christian's (Although they say that doesn't save the Atheist ultimately)

The one difference between true Christians and false ones is in their actions, not in their empty words. Standards of morality are set in God’s laws and his standards do not change because humans want them to.
God’s Laws regarding marriage and divorce are a classic example because we see a watering down of those standards to accommodate the will of man, not God.

When God’s laws become an inconvenience, humans have a way of watering them down without eliminating them altogether.

Look what some churches are doing with the gender equality issues....they openly embrace homosexuality when they know God’s Law forbids “sex” without “marriage”. Marriage is God’s arrangement between a man and a woman, but because it is an inconvenient law, they give themselves wriggle room to ignore it.

The other side of the story concerning many atheists who are morally disciplined, is the motivation.
What motivates a Christian to keep to God’s standards of morality is the love of God, as Jesus indicated, the two greatest Commandments were to “love God with our whole heart, mind and strength” and to “love our neighbor as ourselves”....in order to fulfill the second command, one has to be motivated by the first.....otherwise we are just good humanitarians.....moved by a different “love” altogether.

God never said he was going to save good humanitarians...unless they become Christ’s disciples and are motivated by the love of God. Why we do things is just as important to God as that we do them.

It's the reality that it's rare to find a Christian who is actually living a disciplined lifestyle within what they profess to be truth. This not about general struggles of body, mind and emotions that need to be addressed, it's a direct proof that something is very wrong with their adaption to a new order of moral discipline. It's as if the life of sin continues after the fact of recognition of the penalty of doing so, and It is frightening to interact with them while they have convinced themselves of a harmony that is obviously false

Do we think God doesn’t notice? He will not drag us kicking and screaming into his Kingdom and then force his rules on us under penalty of punishment......we have to accept God for who and what he is in our lives....to acknowledg his Sovereignty over us as his creation......and we have to love his laws, not merely give them tacit support as a rule we want to break secretly.

A true Christian is one who willingly supports God’s laws and sees the value in them, and the benefit of them....and finds no injustice, inequality, deprivation or other fault in them.

That type of self blindness compared to how they claim to be in their faith journey ends up becoming a unmetered laser like focus to target everyone around them for the sole purpose of saving, even if they've got to hurt them.

It’s a sad state of affairs when the ones who make the biggest and boldest claims for being a Christian, are so often all show on top....Behind closed doors, they are someone no one else knows, but God does.

Nobody will get away with anything before our lawgiver and judge....the accounting will come.
In the meantime Christ’s true disciples are out there preaching the ”good news of the Kingdom” (Matt 24:14: 28:19-20).....so what is that “good news”, whilst the devil makes sure that all we hear is the bad news?

The Lord’s Prayer.....Jesus said the we are to pray for “God’s Kingdom to come”, so that God’s will can “be done on earth as it is in heaven”....
With the reintroduction of God’s rulership through his Christ, paradise on earth will be restored, and the life that Adam and his wife threw away, will be given back to his children...that includes us...(Rev 21:2-4)

We have a lot to look forward to whilst God allows the devil his allotted time to prove his case. Things will get worse before they get better, but when it’s all over, we will never have to live under satan’s rule ever again.

 

[2bme]

What do you think I am?

I don't know anything about you. It's almost like you don't want anyone to know anything about you.

 

[2bme]

What if God deliberately kept everyone in disobedience as a way to show mercy to all?

Then God would be working against his own plan for salvation. But that's my opinion.

 

[2bme]

The one difference between true Christians and false ones is in their actions, not in their empty words. Standards of morality are set in God’s laws and his standards do not change because humans want them to.
God’s Laws regarding marriage and divorce are a classic example because we see a watering down of those standards to accommodate the will of man, not God.

When God’s laws become an inconvenience, humans have a way of watering them down without eliminating them altogether.

Look what some churches are doing with the gender equality issues....they openly embrace homosexuality when they know God’s Law forbids “sex” without “marriage”. Marriage is God’s arrangement between a man and a woman, but because it is an inconvenient law, they give themselves wriggle room to ignore it.

The other side of the story concerning many atheists who are morally disciplined, is the motivation.
What motivates a Christian to keep to God’s standards of morality is the love of God, as Jesus indicated, the two greatest Commandments were to “love God with our whole heart, mind and strength” and to “love our neighbor as ourselves”....in order to fulfill the second command, one has to be motivated by the first.....otherwise we are just good humanitarians.....moved by a different “love” altogether.

God never said he was going to save good humanitarians...unless they become Christ’s disciples and are motivated by the love of God. Why we do things is just as important to God as that we do them.

Do we think God doesn’t notice? He will not drag us kicking and screaming into his Kingdom and then force his rules on us under penalty of punishment......we have to accept God for who and what he is in our lives....to acknowledg his Sovereignty over us as his creation......and we have to love his laws, not merely give them tacit support as a rule we want to break secretly.

A true Christian is one who willingly supports God’s laws and sees the value in them, and the benefit of them....and finds no injustice, inequality, deprivation or other fault in them.

It’s a sad state of affairs when the ones who make the biggest and boldest claims for being a Christian, are so often all show on top....Behind closed doors, they are someone no one else knows, but God does.

Nobody will get away with anything before our lawgiver and judge....the accounting will come.
In the meantime Christ’s true disciples are out there preaching the ”good news of the Kingdom” (Matt 24:14: 28:19-20).....so what is that “good news”, whilst the devil makes sure that all we hear is the bad news?

The Lord’s Prayer.....Jesus said the we are to pray for “God’s Kingdom to come”, so that God’s will can “be done on earth as it is in heaven”....
With the reintroduction of God’s rulership through his Christ, paradise on earth will be restored, and the life that Adam and his wife threw away, will be given back to his children...that includes us...(Rev 21:2-4)

We have a lot to look forward to whilst God allows the devil his allotted time to prove his case. Things will get worse before they get better, but when it’s all over, we will never have to live under satan’s rule ever again.

Are you my sister Rebecca? I say that because her middle name is Jane and she is a Aunty, and she does live in Australia.

 

[2bme]

Who knows who is who online:

 

[2bme]

I watched the latest season of SouthPark and those guy's have still got it. I have a prediction that they are trying to get cancelled on purpose and go out on top.

 

[Matthias]

I don't know anything about you. It's almost like you don't want anyone to know anything about you.

Establishing that the comments you made concerning me in post #5 are in fact based on ignorance, not knowledge, about me. Why do that? What purpose does it accomplish?

 

[2bme]

Establishing that the comments you made concerning me in post #5 are in fact based on ignorance, not knowledge, about me. Why do that? What purpose does it accomplish?

Well what are you trying to do? You don't seem interested in anything else than converting me. Let me ask you something straight up here. If I decided for some reason to re-believe in Jesus, what will be left for you to be interested in when I continue posting in the forum's

 

[rockytopva]

Well what are you trying to do? You don't seem interested in anything else than converting me. Let me ask you something straight up here. If I decided for some reason to re-believe in Jesus, what will be left for you to be interested in when I continue posting in the forum's

Those terrific words.... If I decided for some reason to re-believe in Jesus.... It's like... Wow!

There has to be some instance in your life where you have a run in with the Holy Spirit. And then... You really will believe in Jesus! Not because anything was taught to you... But because of that something that was experienced.

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? - Acts 19:1-2

 

[Matthias]

Well what are you trying to do?

It’s better to ask than guess. See below.

You don't seem interested in anything else than converting me.

I don’t have the ability to convert you (or anyone else), and wouldn’t if I did.

Let me ask you something straight up here. If I decided for some reason to re-believe in Jesus, what will be left for you to be interested in when I continue posting in the forum's

I’m here primarily to seek relief from the stress that comes from my work with neglected, abused, and at risk children. That will continue, at least for a little while, regardless of whether or not you decide to re-believe in Jesus.

What was your purpose in making false assertions about me in post #5?