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hence the call , GET OUT from amongst them and never look back . its all tanking faster than did the titanic .
ITS ALL GOING down on the DAY OF THE LORD .
The SDA church isn't Babylon. However, some of the leadership has signed agreements with the UN without the approval of the delegates of the church body. This is a bone of contention within the church right now. The vast majority of the membership is horrified at these developments recently exposed, and are working to set things right. This situation is not the same as the Methodist church the church of England, the Lutherans and many pentecostal churches etc fully approving of a return to Rome, embracing LGBT principles and uniting in the WCC and the UN in order to foster better relations and bring about universal ecumenism and woke laws and a unity based on what the Pope calls the common good. That's not happening in our church. Did God throw away all the truth Israel was blessed with because Moses struck the rock twice? Did they discard Torah because Nadab and Abihu used common fire? Did God instruct Israel to go down a different path other than what He had taught them after the rebellion of Korah?
After Christ departed, there were then false brethren. Tares. Not only individuals, but Churches that in a few short centuries would completely apostatize , and turn against their former brethren and give them up to the state power to be killed. Revelation 13 informs is that such a history is about to repeat in our day.

We are calling for our leaders to repent. To repeal all connections with the UN as an NGO. But I have my doubts they will. There's too much money involved. There are grants to our hospitals and schools, with seats at boardroom tables and director fees paid. I know our church will eventually cease to function as an organized institution. The mark of the beast and state authority under advice and counsel of the churches will do that. There can be no compromise with that. Either you agree to the demands of false worship, or you don't. No middle ground. If our church agrees or disagrees on the Sunday laws as an institution, agreeing with such laws in order to stay afloat, or disagree and be obliterated as an institution, either way they are cooked. But the institution isn't what saves us. The church isn't the institution. Speaking prophetically, it's the people who are settled into present Truth and who cannot be moved that will be sealed with the Holy Spirit and thus comprise the church, the true body of Christ which will be translated at the second coming. They are filled with the Spirit of God, are being blessed by the latter rain, and calling all nations to repentance and warning all against joining Babylon and its affirmation and surrender to Papal dogmas and traditions.
You folk who are leaving churches in favour of independent fellowships... do you really believe independent churches will escape the wrath to come upon all the world which refuses to obey the commandments of God and turn to Him for grace to help in the time of need? Are independent churches and home groups immune to sin and the lusts of the flesh and the pride of life? The moment you join a perfect church you defile it. There isn't a perfect church.
But slandering others and claiming study as your foundation for accusing the brethren. You have not studied true adventist teaching. None of you. You don't understand the investigative judgment. And you are afraid to ask and consider the answers. You don't understand the significance of the OT sanctuary and it's types and symbols which reveal NT hope and promise. You follow other misguided enemies to Adventism simply because they agree with your preconceived notions knowing it will result in similar outcomes and affirmations of your refusal to accept true biblical authority.
And you have abandoned true protestant principles and are yourselves have unwittingly sided with antichrist by denying his true identity. In that you will join with the antichrist and his false prophet of the fallen protestant churches in America in persecuting Seventh Day Adventists because they don't agree with your Sunday tradition and the common -good teaching being foisted upon humanity as we speak.

For 2000 years faithful Christians have preached the gospel and that is the reason we are all here today. And I would guarantee to every one of you that for all of those 2000 years those faithful preachers of truth had opposition who slandered them personally and lied about their churches and accused them of heresy and being a cult and teaching legalism and entertaining false brethren and listening to people who were wrong, and despite all that, they continued to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified and guess what. Here you are.
And I will promise you all here, that regardless of your opposition and protests and false charges, I also will continue to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified, just as my church has been doing for 160 years. Despite a few wayward individuals who except they repent, we'll be ripped up along with all the other tares in your churches and in your homes.
 

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Those purveyors of false doctrine which sadly includes most churches and preachers these days.

Jesus said many would come in His Name (claiming to be sent and anointed by God) and would deceived many.
Indeed, there are many roads to paved with gold that are leading many to destruction. All the more reason that individuals such as you and Amigo and Nancy take extreme care and lots of sincere prayer in searching out truth for yourselves, not trusting in men, especially me, but urgently and earnestly seeking the God of the Bible to lead you into all Truth.
Yes, I do defend my church, and it's principle fundamental teachings. But not blindly. I know it's faults and shortcomings. I work in the system and have family working in the system. We aren't ignorant of what is taking place amongst us. But I'm not presenting my church as the answer to people need of the gospel. I preach the gospel. I present Jesus in all His wonderful love and power to save. Not to save you in sin, but to deliver you from the power of sin and transform you forever. That's the truth I teach and preach and promote. And so does my church. That's why I'm an adventist.
 

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The Sda claims to be also though the true remnant NT Church
Interesting concept that. The true remnant. Mmmm. What would the true remnant church look like do you think? What would you expect the church of the last days (considering the last days have been with us for a little over 200 years) to be doing that earlier churches weren't?
 

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But that religoin began on the boot heels of one who had set dates
and an overwhemled school girl who could not face the facts that her beloved miller had been in e rror
Sort of like the apostles right, who all thought Jesus was setting up His earthly kingdom in their lifetime.
As for Ellen White, nothing like a little hyperbole and imagination to set hearts racing.
 

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Sister i need to let you in on something .
You see the part where you said you have recieved something but you wont release it here
cause you beleive it wont be well recieved .
Every single time i have heard words l ike this it came from someone who had learned something wrong .
My advice is YOU LET us know what you heard . so as all can test it
now maybe it is true , but maybe it aint t rue . Feel free to pm me with this info at least .
Interesting. For years you have promoted scripture as the final authority regarding truth and error. Now all of a sudden, without even hearing what it is that she was taught, you set up yourself and others here as the final arbiters of truth...so all can test it. Mmmmm.
 
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That book was given to me in 1980.
I was not a Christian at that time.
The book made me go to a FGBMFI meeting one day and later to church.
No matter what some think about Hal Lindsay today, his writings made many to come to the Lord.
Bless you Nancy. :-)
Yes indeed brother, neither was I a true Christian, only in name back then. I was only speaking of the doctrinal errors. Amen, God can use anything and anybody for His purposes.
My mom came to the Lord, out of Catholicism, shortly after watching a Billy Graham crusade. It was around the same time she read TLGPE by Hal Lindsay. Either way...!

Philippians 1:18

18 "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."

Best regards and love in Christ brother!
 

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The SDA church isn't Babylon. However, some of the leadership has signed agreements with the UN without the approval of the delegates of the church body. This is a bone of contention within the church right now. The vast majority of the membership is horrified at these developments recently exposed, and are working to set things right. This situation is not the same as the Methodist church the church of England, the Lutherans and many pentecostal churches etc fully approving of a return to Rome, embracing LGBT principles and uniting in the WCC and the UN in order to foster better relations and bring about universal ecumenism and woke laws and a unity based on what the Pope calls the common good. That's not happening in our church. Did God throw away all the truth Israel was blessed with because Moses struck the rock twice? Did they discard Torah because Nadab and Abihu used common fire? Did God instruct Israel to go down a different path other than what He had taught them after the rebellion of Korah?
After Christ departed, there were then false brethren. Tares. Not only individuals, but Churches that in a few short centuries would completely apostatize , and turn against their former brethren and give them up to the state power to be killed. Revelation 13 informs is that such a history is about to repeat in our day.

We are calling for our leaders to repent. To repeal all connections with the UN as an NGO. But I have my doubts they will. There's too much money involved. There are grants to our hospitals and schools, with seats at boardroom tables and director fees paid. I know our church will eventually cease to function as an organized institution. The mark of the beast and state authority under advice and counsel of the churches will do that. There can be no compromise with that. Either you agree to the demands of false worship, or you don't. No middle ground. If our church agrees or disagrees on the Sunday laws as an institution, agreeing with such laws in order to stay afloat, or disagree and be obliterated as an institution, either way they are cooked. But the institution isn't what saves us. The church isn't the institution. Speaking prophetically, it's the people who are settled into present Truth and who cannot be moved that will be sealed with the Holy Spirit and thus comprise the church, the true body of Christ which will be translated at the second coming. They are filled with the Spirit of God, are being blessed by the latter rain, and calling all nations to repentance and warning all against joining Babylon and its affirmation and surrender to Papal dogmas and traditions.
You folk who are leaving churches in favour of independent fellowships... do you really believe independent churches will escape the wrath to come upon all the world which refuses to obey the commandments of God and turn to Him for grace to help in the time of need? Are independent churches and home groups immune to sin and the lusts of the flesh and the pride of life? The moment you join a perfect church you defile it. There isn't a perfect church.
But slandering others and claiming study as your foundation for accusing the brethren. You have not studied true adventist teaching. None of you. You don't understand the investigative judgment. And you are afraid to ask and consider the answers. You don't understand the significance of the OT sanctuary and it's types and symbols which reveal NT hope and promise. You follow other misguided enemies to Adventism simply because they agree with your preconceived notions knowing it will result in similar outcomes and affirmations of your refusal to accept true biblical authority.
And you have abandoned true protestant principles and are yourselves have unwittingly sided with antichrist by denying his true identity. In that you will join with the antichrist and his false prophet of the fallen protestant churches in America in persecuting Seventh Day Adventists because they don't agree with your Sunday tradition and the common -good teaching being foisted upon humanity as we speak.

For 2000 years faithful Christians have preached the gospel and that is the reason we are all here today. And I would guarantee to every one of you that for all of those 2000 years those faithful preachers of truth had opposition who slandered them personally and lied about their churches and accused them of heresy and being a cult and teaching legalism and entertaining false brethren and listening to people who were wrong, and despite all that, they continued to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified and guess what. Here you are.
And I will promise you all here, that regardless of your opposition and protests and false charges, I also will continue to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified, just as my church has been doing for 160 years. Despite a few wayward individuals who except they repent, we'll be ripped up along with all the other tares in your churches and in your homes.
Sounds like it's time for you to leave the SDA and hold a meeting in your home...like the early church did.
 
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Interesting. For years you have promoted scripture as the final authority regarding truth and error. Now all of a sudden, without even hearing what it is that she was taught, you set up yourself and others here as the final arbiters of truth...so all can test it. Mmmmm.
you really need to heed what shepards sword said .
IT simply time for us all to COME OUT of these places .
The solution is real simple .
HOW about we just TEACH what is in THE BIBLE . just learn that .
Lets not add in any of our denominations teachings
RATHER just let all start over in the bible .
I am telling you , THIS WORKS . You got ta let her go my friend , you gotta let ellen go .
She was not GOD , I am NOT GOD , You are not GOD
LET US S TART OVER TODAY IN THE BIBLE .
Watch what can happen . Dont let any bring their denominations t eachings into it .
LET us simply start over fresh .
Now first things first , F IRST we have to ensure that no one is teaching contrary to THE teachings of JESUS .
AND YES braklite that would include REMARRIAGE or any thing HE said .
First we have to establish we all know the basics and that none are twisting the basics .
 

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Sounds like it's time for you to leave the SDA and hold a meeting in your home...like the early church did.
chief , my friend . ITS TIME FOR ALL TO DO THIS .
people would marvel at how simple it can be , IF we exclude our denominational teachings
AND JUST start over in the bible . if we focus ON THAT DOCTRINE then we will be headed IN the RIGHT direction .
So no more OSAS , no more mid pre post , no more adventist , no more lu therine , no more calivin .
JUST s tart over . THIS is far easier to do than folks realize .
 

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Sounds like it's time for you to leave the SDA and hold a meeting in your home...like the early church did.
When my local church stops preaching the truth in favour of error, then if God wills, I will find another church. There are several SDA churches within a half hour drive from home. If that isn't an option, I may join friends who are already meeting an hour away in the city giving away books and sharing in the streets. The Sabbath gives many opportunities for service and fellowship and it isn't always in a church building. And yep, at some time in the the future home may be the only option remaining short of meeting in secret places in the bush.
 

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She didn't meet the biblical requirement to be a public minister

Because of this she should be ignored as we know she was not anointed by the Holy Spirit and she certainly did not speak Truth
You haven't read any of her books have you.
Lets not add in any of our denominations teachings
If my denominational teachings (not practises...teachings) weren't in the Bible, I wouldn't be an adventist. That doesn't mean every single individual pastor is preaching truth. There are weeds in every garden that God has planted. But God has given no instruction to leave the garden. And as I said, the Seventh Day Adventist Church isn't Babylon. In fact, it's the only organised protestant church on the planet who includes the warnings against Babylon and the Antichrist and the false prophet (Revelation 12-14) in her official public literature and evangelical programs, and for that reason has, for over a century, been the prime target of the Vatican to remove its core truths that testify to Rome's apostasy. Including Ellen White. You, in advocating for the same thing, are working on their behalf.
 

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I attended a home church for about 5 years.
Those meetings were the best.
Yes, been there done that. And ageee, had some wonderful fellowship and great in depth studies that continued for hours.
But we have a great commission to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. And the time is short and such a monumentous work (Rev.14:6-12) can only be accomplished by a miraculous Spirit led movement sanctioned by the Lord. It needs resources, prayerful backing, organizational support and literature.
The SDA church has a vast array of mission oriented ministries all over the world in every format. Radio, (eg AWR) television (eg HOPE CHANNEL, 3ABN, FIRSTLIGHT NZ) and top quality independent and church affiliated web sites (Home
as well as numerous excellent podcasts, and you tube channels and all united in their mission focused Christ centered teaching.

There are plenty of options around the world aside from mission outreach stations and clinics in every country to support. Yes, home churches have a role to play in local neighborhood endeavors, and ought not be ignored. But joining a church and contributing to a global program, starting at home with the neighbors, at this time in world history is i think important.
 
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She didn't meet the biblical requirement to be a public minister

Because of this she should be ignored as we know she was not anointed by the Holy Spirit and she certainly did not speak Truth
I beg to differ... No-one not anointed by the Holy Spirit could write this very small example among her numerous books, articles, letters and manuscripts... certainly not a false prophet who by their very nature and purpose lead people away from God to themselves.

Refer to thread, From the pen of Ellen White
 

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You haven't read any of her books have you.

Why would I?

She didn't meet the biblical requirement to be a public minister and she's a known false prophet having claimed certain things would come to pass and they did not.

Charlie Brown and Fred Flintstone are more qualified to be ministers that this woman. Elmer Fudd too!


I beg to differ...

Beg all you'd like.

I'll stick with what the Lord says in His Word concerning the qualifications for ministry
 
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