Modern Gnostics - aka Calvinists

[Big Boy Johnson]

At the beginning of this video you'll see some well known calvinists claiming God actually causes evil to happen. One guy actually claims God orders people to commit adultery against their spouse!

These people are of course void of understanding when it comes to God's Word which is caused by their refusal to accept the entire Word God.

Here these crazy unbiblical claims for yourself:

 

[ScottA]

At the beginning of this video you'll see some well known calvinists claiming God actually causes evil to happen. One guy actually claims God orders people to commit adultery against their spouse!

These people are of course void of understanding when it comes to God's Word which is caused by their refusal to accept the entire Word God.

Here these crazy unbiblical claims for yourself:

I do not speak for or of the Gnostics or Calvinists...but it would appear your well-meant feelings are getting in the way of much of what the scriptures say. For example, God speaking:

Isaiah 45:7​

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.​

But since you mention the Gnostics, I suspect you are also referring to the timing of Christ return, which yes, the Gnostics have incorrectly believed that it Jesus returned already and we all missed it. But that does not mean that He has not yet come, it just means--as Paul said--that He comes, "but, each one in his own order" or time. Meaning the thief on the cross did indeed see Jesus in Paradise that very day (in "his own order"), as we all will "but, each one in his own order." After all, Jesus made it clear that He was returning "soon" and all that He spoke of "must shortly come to pass."

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I do not speak for or of the Gnostics or Calvinists...but it would appear your well-meant feelings are getting in the way of much of what the scriptures say. For example, God speaking:

Isaiah 45:7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
But since you mention the Gnostics, I suspect you are also referring to the timing of Christ return, which yes, the Gnostics have incorrectly believed that it Jesus returned already and we all missed it. But that does not mean that He has not yet come, it just means--as Paul said--that He comes, "but, each one in his own order" or time. Meaning the thief on the cross did indeed see Jesus in Paradise that very day (in "his own order"), as we all will "but, each one in his own order." After all, Jesus made it clear that He was returning "soon" and all that He spoke of "must shortly come to pass."

I see so you believe when a child molester rapes a child, the Lord caused the molester to do that?
Those that believe God is evil make this satanically inspired claim.

God created seedtime and harvest, sowing and reaping and those sowing to the flesh reap corruption.
His entire creation is built upon this concept.

Mark 4:26 (see Genesis 1:11 also)
And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground

God is not the One Who is sowing seeds of darkness which results in evil so don't blame God for evil.

James 1:13
God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

You should learn to accept the whole counsel of God so you can see clearly.

 

[ScottA]

I see so you believe when a child molester rapes a child, the Lord caused the molester to do that?
Those that believe God is evil make this satanically inspired claim.

God created seedtime and harvest, sowing and reaping and those sowing to the flesh reap corruption.
His entire creation is built upon this concept.

Mark 4:26 (see Genesis 1:11 also)
And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground

God is not the One Who is sowing seeds of darkness which results in evil so don't blame God for evil.

James 1:13
God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

You should learn to accept the whole counsel of God so you can see clearly.

Regarding the whole counsel of God, you swinging the pendulum to suit your own beliefs is not His whole counsel.

Jesus clarified the acts of evil men, not as "by" God, but as "given" or allowed; and the acts those whose father was not God, but Satan. But, who is Satan--is he not of God, as all things are?

But we who now come along after all this time, what shall we say--that God's will is for or against evil? Against, of course. But that does not mean all things both both good and evil are not of God--but rather that both have their purpose (God's purpose) in God's greater will as He works all things together for good for those who love Him according to that greater purpose.

Even so, Jesus wept, as do those who love Him.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Jesus clarified the acts of evil men, not as "by" God, but as "given" or allowed

Yes due to Gal 6:7,87
You might want to take a gander at that and believe it.

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God is not the One deciding what seeds a man sows so it is man that is causing evil to come upon him due to rejecting the Lord and refusing to walk in agreement with Him.

But, who is Satan--is he not of God, as all things are?

Typical gnostic response. Claiming satan and God are the same person

Since you obviously believe evil comes from the Lord.... evil is in your future and the devil has tricked you in to thinking it's God's will for evil to come upon and to believe it's God's will.

The devil deceived you to laying down and allowing evil to come in to your life and have it's way.
You mind is made up, so enjoy all the evil coming your way.

 

[Jericho]

One you deny free will, you turn God into a monster.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

One you negate free will, you turn God into a monster.

Which is what the devil has done thru calvinist teachings

 

[ScottA]

God is not the One deciding what seeds a man sows so it is man that is causing evil to come upon him due to rejecting the Lord and refusing to walk in agreement with Him.

You [ironically] are not looking at the whole counsel of God, but only looking superficially to what agrees with what you believe.

To the contrary:

A man’s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps. Proverbs 16:9​

 

[ScottA]

Typical gnostic response. Claiming satan and God are the same person

Since you obviously believe evil comes from the Lord.... evil is in your future and the devil has tricked you in to thinking it's God's will for evil to come upon and to believe it's God's will.

The devil deceived you to laying down and allowing evil to come in to your life and have it's way.
You mind is made up, so enjoy all the evil coming your way.

You are trying to put words in my mouth. That's called lying. I never said that.

But, what are YOU saying, that all things were NOT made by God--even Satan (John 1)?

As for your last statement, that is obviously psychological projection on your part--obviously it is YOUR mind that is made up. Meaning, you are not doing so well: You make yourself out to be a liar projecting your own faults on others. Just sayin'

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You are trying to put words in my mouth. That's called lying. I never said that.

But, what are YOU saying, that all things were NOT made by God--even Satan (John 1)?

As for your last statement, that is obviously psychological projection on your part--obviously it is YOUR mind that is made up. Meaning, you are not doing so well: You make yourself out to be a liar projecting your own faults on others. Just sayin'

Well then enjoy thy calvinistic scripture twisting heresy then!

 

[ScottA]

Well then enjoy thy calvinistic scripture twisting heresy then!

That is called making false accusations. The more you say, the more you reveal yourself.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That is called making false accusations.

If the shoe fits...

The more you say, the more you reveal yourself.

Yes, it should be quite clear by now that I don't support calvinistic scripture twisting heresy.

Nobody that has the Holy Spirit accepts calvinism

 

[ScottA]

If the shoe fits...




Yes, it should be quite clear by now that I don't support calvinistic scripture twisting heresy.

Nobody that has the Holy Spirit accepts calvinism

The false accusations were yours.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The false accusations were yours.

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself

You said "who is Satan--is he not of God, as all things are?"

So you obviously have high regard for satan thinking he works for the Lord meaning there is darkness in God.

When praying to the Lord, you you thru in a couple of hallelujahs to the devil too?

 

[rockytopva]

1. I am not Calvinist
2. I have no love for the Calvin guy
3. I do enjoy the teachings of John MacArthur (as long as he is in the Bible)
4. I do not care to debate all day who is saved and who is lost.

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So the proper thing to do here is to make an argument and not condemn the whole bunch as heretics. Because this happened I will have to shut this thread down.