Do you admit that the gospel cannot change the world?
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Well let's see, Paul wrote more Books in the Bible than ANYONE!
Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Do you admit that the gospel cannot change the world?
The gospel should change us, but we cannot change the world. Therefore, the gospel cannot change the world. Even those who have heard the gospel might be changed by the world, and then they might go on to change the true meaning of the gospel.
The gospel should change us, but we cannot change the world. Therefore, the gospel cannot change the world. Even those who have heard the gospel might be changed by the world, and then they might go on to change the true meaning of the gospel.
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By "we cannot change the world", do you mean we cannot change the system by which this world operates? Or do you mean we cannot change the course of events within this world-system?
I would claim that if the gospel changes us, then something within the world HAS changed.
This is just his personal opinion.Then how do you understand the two witnesses in the book of revelation?
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Isaac Newton would have repeated the same line here 300 years later...
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. -Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
As far as applications of the Gospel we are challenged...
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. - Daniel 12
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. -Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
As far as applications of the Gospel we are challenged...
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. - Daniel 12
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The two witnesses...
1. Enoch
2. Elijah
These were the two that never saw death...
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. - Genesis 5:24
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. - 2 Kings 2:11
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The Book of Enoch prophesies a major divine judgment, where the "Elect One" (Son of Man) returns with thousands of holy ones to destroy the ungodly, punish fallen angels, and reward the righteous with eternal peace. It predicts a time of intense global wickedness, chaos, and cosmic upheaval reminiscent of Noah’s time. - From Google AI
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, - Jude 14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, - Jude 14
So what should I believe?I said I believed in Newton's calculation of time.The year 2060 is the end of the world.Or Jesus and his thousands of saints that I experienced with my own eyes?
Is it possible that Newton's calculation error is different by 52 years?
Is it possible that Newton use The standard of calculation is 52 years longer.
If I can't believe my own experience,Then there's only one thing I can believe.Obeying God's word is the only thing I can believe.
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But... This is a true statement!
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. - Acts 1
Anybody honest in date determinations have to admit just that. It is a date determination subject to error.
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Matthew 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
I hope you can always quote this sentence until the end of the world.
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Why would I have a problem with the Gospel Jesus own words.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Aunty Jane
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Since satan is the master deceiver....we cannot believe even our own experience, as those who have had NDE’s attest to something that they experienced in a dying state.....these are not ADE’s (after death experiences) but something that takes place in a dying brain before death, when a human is at their most vulnerable.
Satan know all about man’s expectations concerning death because he created them....he told the first humans that they would “surely NOT die” and has been convincing humans of that lie ever since. It is found in all false worship in varying explanations according to the accepted doctrines of whatever faith they hold to.
God told Adam something completely different.....that he would simply cease to breathe and return to the dust out of which he was created. The Jews were the only ones who did not believe in immediate life after death....their beliefs centered on resurrection, which was a return to life not a continuation of it.
The resurrections performed in the Bible brought people back to their former life and reunited them with their families here on earth.
What did Jesus say when he performed the most famous resurrection of his friend Lazarus?
“After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died, and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
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In my opinion, it's just because there are too many false witnesses.Will make peopleCan't believe any words.Since satan is the master deceiver....we cannot believe even our own experience, as those who have had NDE’s attest to something that they experienced in a dying state.....these are not ADE’s (after death experiences) but something that takes place in a dying brain before death, when a human is at their most vulnerable.
Satan know all about man’s expectations concerning death because he created them....he told the first humans that they would “surely NOT die” and has been convincing humans of that lie ever since. It is found in all false worship in varying explanations according to the accepted doctrines of whatever faith they hold to.
God told Adam something completely different.....that he would simply cease to breathe and return to the dust out of which he was created. The Jews were the only ones who did not believe in immediate life after death....their beliefs entered on resurrection, who was a return to life not a continuation of it.
The resurrections performed in the Bible brought people back to their former life and reunited them with their families here on earth.
What did Jesus say when he performed the most famous resurrection of his friend Lazarus?
“After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died, and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
Bible Gateway passage: John 11:11, John 11:12, John 11:13, John 11:14, John 11:15 - English Standard Version
After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.”www.biblegateway.com
But they still don't realize one thing.Even if Jesus comes back, the world will not change.Because believers themselves have not changed, how can they change the world?
Aunty Jane
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This is satan ‘smoke screening’, as Jesus said he would.....he would sow a crop of fake Christianity with so many “weeds” among them that it would be hard to tell the difference except when the harvest time was due.
Only then would the “wheat” be totally separated from the “weeds”.....harvesters knew exactly what this weed looked like when the harvest time came....it was nothing like the wheat, so they were told to harvest the whole crop, but to separate the weeds out first, and to destroy them.
Jesus knows who the weeds are and no wheat will be thrown in the fire by mistake. We are not “wheat” because we claim to be......Jesus is the one who makes that decision.
I agree, the Bible says that Jesus will be “present” during these last days, and that he will allow everyone to be exactly who they really are...and to be judged by their behaviour without being aware that the judge is already here, taking notes......All will be caught in the act of being themselves.....the ones God sees, not necessarily who they think they are. Excuses are all that they will be left with when the judgment is passed. (Matt 7:21-23) Too late then to put on a sheep suit.
Jesus didn’t come to change the world over which satan rules...he came to “separate the sheep from the goats” and to change the lives of those he came to save.....they are still in the world, but are “no part” of its evil governance or immoral ways. (1 John 5:19) Genuine Christians take a neutral stance on the world’s conflicts and wars.
It is God who will change the world, but not until every vestige of evil is removed from it first.....then Rev 21:2- 4 will have its fulfilment....ushering in Christ’s rulership...a global government that he will head in bringing the redeemed human race back to its Creator, restoring all that we lost due to the disobedience that landed us here......we have to pass the test of faithfulness...to the death if necessary.
A new world awaits us, but we have to prove worthy of citizenship.
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I don't think a global government will emerge.My understanding is that Jesus came to govern us believers.2 Corinthians
6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
But then again.What's the relationship between believer and unbeliever? What is the intersection?
The love of God and Grace of God and mercy of God.
Aunty Jane
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Paul said that there was to be no sharing with unbelievers...having nothing in common with them. No love of violence or bloodshed.....no political aspirations....no sharing in pagan festivals dressed up as “Christian” celebrations....nothing accepted as if it’s from God, when it is nothing but a satanic imitation.
If it is of this world, a Christian has no part of it. We obey the Christ first, and then we obey the government.
God allows those governments to rule so that a measure of peace is attained....enough for Christ’s disciples to preach the message of the Kingdom “in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations” before God brings the curtain down on this whole horror show. (Matt 24:14)
Good question! The difference between a believer and an unbeliever is the same today as what it was in the first century.....the Jews saw themselves as God’s people, and Jesus and his disciples as an annoyance because they were actually very comfortable with the status quo at the time.
After Jesus had resurrected Lazarus, word spread about his miracles....
John 11:45-48....
“So a great many of the Jews, such as had come to Mary’s and witnessed what he did, believed in him; 46 but some of them went off to the Pharisees and told them the things Jesus had done. 47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees got together a Sanhedrin and said “What are we doing that this man is doing so many tokens? 48 if we let him go on like this everybody will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.”
What was their main concern? Their place in the world...not obedience to their own Messiah who was making them look bad.....it wasn’t difficult, as they were bad. Jesus castigated them on every possible occasion...showing them up for what they really were. disgusting hypocrites! (Matt ch 23)
All of that......but there was one more very important aspect of being a Christian.....”obedience” to the teachings of Jesus Christ....ALL OF THEM...not just the convenient ones.
The Jews thought that they could remain in God’s good books by trying to keep the Law and offering to God their sacrifices....yet Jesus had come to be the ultimate sacrifice for sins and they presented him as a false Messiah....a lying phoney who got his power from the devil.....how many of the Jews believed Jesus, as opposed to those who believed their religious leaders? They cursed themselves and their children with his blood! (Matt 27:25)
They had to take sides with those who taught an inconvenient truth rather than being fed convenient lies.
The majority made the wrong choice....as they will today.
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