WWJD with LGBTQ?

[shepherdsword]

Name the sin.

Deuteronomy 22:5​

“A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak

 

[St. SteVen]

Deuteronomy 22:5​

Are you obliged to OT law?
The law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.

 

[shepherdsword]

Are you obliged to OT law?
The law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.

Where in the NT does it say this is no longer a sin? Would you council someone that it is ok to engage in crossdressing? How about total transitioning?

 

[St. SteVen]

Where in the NT does it say this is no longer a sin? Would you council someone that it is ok to engage in crossdressing? How about total transitioning?

It seems that you only seek to enforce half of the verse.
If it is wrong for a man to wear a dress, it is wrong for a woman to wear pants.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

 

[shepherdsword]

It seems that you only seek to enforce half of the verse.
If it is wrong for a man to wear a dress, it is wrong for a woman to wear pants.

How many men wore pants in ancient Israel? You ignore their culture and tunnel vision in on today's standards. This is another demonstration that you are influenced by the spirit of this age.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Does this apply also to murder? It was part of the law. How about lying or stealing? Are those ok as well?

Also, you avoided all of my questions

1)Where in the NT does it say this is no longer a sin?
2)Would you council someone that it is ok to engage in crossdressing?
3)How about total transitioning?

 

[St. SteVen]

Does this apply also to murder? It was part of the law. How about lying or stealing? Are those ok as well?

You need to have a better understanding of the law, the Law, God's law and Christ's law.

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Also, you avoided all of my questions

1)Where in the NT does it say this is no longer a sin?
2)Would you council someone that it is ok to engage in crossdressing?
3)How about total transitioning?

1) That's a ridiculous question. Do you wear tassels?
2) Are you claiming that cross-dressing is a sin?
What about women's business suits?
3) I wouldn't recommend it. But it is a personal decision.

 

[shepherdsword]

You need to have a better understanding of the law, the Law, God's law and Christ's law.

On the contrary, if you think crossdressing is not a sin then you need to learn more about the law of liberty in Christ Jesus.

1) That's a ridiculous question. Do you wear tassels?

Stop dismissing questions as ridiculous. There is much you miss in your pseudo intellectual arrogance.

2) Are you claiming that cross-dressing is a sin?

Yes

What about women's business suits?

Only if they were worn by a man.

3) I wouldn't recommend it. But it is a personal decision.

Are you saying that transitioning into another gender is not a sin?

 

[Hillsage]

I don't know if the poster intended this, but the highlighted term translated "without natural affection" does not refer to natural sexual desires. Rather, ἄστοργος (astorgos) means "without στοργή", where storge is one of the four types of love in Greek culture, the love of family and kin.

And considering the dysfunction on my wife's side of the family, the violence, the controlling behavior, the abandonment, the divorces (it happens a lot in military families), I can see astorgos happening in real time. And I still don't know if the rumor that my grandson is now my granddaughter is true, because he (she?) has dived down a hole and pulled the hole in after him (her?).

I want to thank you for posting this word (astorgos). I actually went to check the etymology of it, because I thought you might be in error. I thought they both might at least have a Primary root connection. Which they did not. But in looking at its literal Greek def. It is the very word I have been looking for, that perfectly defines a family issue my brothers and sister and I, are all IN, and which has escalated in recent months. I speak of a 'place' which started a long time ago with my sister and my youngest brother who was an elder. His attitude has spread to all of us siblings. I am actually a bit shocked as to the severity of the 'verse list of sins' which are included with this same word you have shared. A word which is only in the NT 2 times. I am planning on sharing it within the blood relationship family as well as some in the local spiritual family who know about this situation.

 

[The Learner]

Video from Colby Martin.

Is "Being Gay" an Unforgivable Sin? - Questions from the Audience with Colby Martin​

What do you think?

God does forgive that.

 

[The Learner]

not keeping up, so I read thru ouch

 

[stevesonthebay]

There is a difference between hanging with tax collectors and gays or adulterers and these outcasts or sinners continuing to sin. Jesus told the adulterous women that "no one judged her and to go away and sin no more". Not to continue to do the same sin.

So the LGBTIQ+ is welcome by Christ and Christians so long as they like all other Christians stop practicing sin. All sinners have to sacrifice themselves and that means the renewing of the mind and spirit so that we no longer live by the flesh.

We hand over our flesh nature to God in Christ. But this cannot be achieved unless we are willing to come to God and hand over to Him. To trust hime to give us the strength to handle these changes and sacrifices.

 

[St. SteVen]

There is a difference between hanging with tax collectors and gays or adulterers and these outcasts or sinners continuing to sin. Jesus told the adulterous women that "no one judged her and to go away and sin no more". Not to continue to do the same sin.

So the LGBTIQ+ is welcome by Christ and Christians so long as they like all other Christians stop practicing sin. All sinners have to sacrifice themselves and that means the renewing of the mind and spirit so that we no longer live by the flesh.

We hand over our flesh nature to God in Christ. But this cannot be achieved unless we are willing to come to God and hand over to Him. To trust hime to give us the strength to handle these changes and sacrifices.

Welcome to the forum.

Is gender dysphoria a sin?

 

[mailmandan]

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[Scott Downey]

Welcome to the forum.

Is gender dysphoria a sin?

James 1 speaks somewhat to this here!

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life which the Lord hath promised to those who love Him.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man.

14 But every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

18 Of His own will, He begot us by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.

19 Therefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;

20 for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

21 Therefore lay apart all filthiness and the superfluity of wickedness, and receive with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be ye doers of the Word and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror;

24 for he beholdeth himself, and then goeth his way and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

26 If any man among you seem to be religious and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.

27 Pure religion, undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[St. SteVen]

James 1 speaks somewhat to this here!

So, you think gender dysphoria a sin.
Do you really know what it is?

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

 

[JesusFan]

So, you think gender dysphoria a sin.
Do you really know what it is?

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

Think that God knew which gender He intended each Human to be born as and to stay in

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
So, you think gender dysphoria a sin.
Do you really know what it is?

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

Think that God knew which gender He intended each Human to be born as and to stay in

That's not the question.
I didn't ask you whether transgender was a sin.
Is gender dysphoria a sin?

Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction. Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh. :( Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman...

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[JesusFan]

St. SteVen said:
So, you think gender dysphoria a sin.
Do you really know what it is?

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

That's not the question.
I didn't ask you whether transgender was a sin.
Is gender dysphoria a sin?

Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction. Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh. :( Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman...

www.christianityboard.com

it would be if it leads one to doubt or even deny what Gender God created them as being

 

[Wick Stick]

Is gender dysphoria a sin?

No, it's a mental illness. Like other mental illnesses, it will result in bad behavior if left unchecked, or if it is encouraged.

If a person is psychotic, we don't tell them to embrace that as their identity. We look for the cause and treat it.

The next question probably ought to be "what is causing gender dysphoria?"

 

[St. SteVen]

it would be if it leads one to doubt or even deny what Gender God created them as being

Why would doubt be a sin?