Reason for The Crusades explained
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“Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is pissible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Di nit take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mune to avenge; I will repay,’ says the Lord. On the contrary: ‘If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.’ Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good” (Romans 12:17-21).
“Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing” (1 Peter 3:19).
“See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all” (1 Thessalonians 5:15).
@Armour of God have you any interest in evangelizing Muslims?
Do you think the Crusades have a positive impact, a negative impact, or no impact on evangelizing Muslims today?
Do you think the Crusades have a positive impact, a negative impact, or no impact on evangelizing Muslims today?
“The Crusade was a pilgrimage and thereby an act of penance. When Urban II called the First Crusade in 1095, he created a model that would be followed for centuries. Crusaders who undertook that burden with right intention and after confessing their sins would receive a plenary indulgence.”
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@Wrangler, @Armour of God, @NayborBear what is your view on indulgences?
”One can never understand the Crusades without understanding their penitential character. It was the indulgence that lead thousands of men to take on a burden that would cost them dearly.”
Why Catholics Joined the Crusades: The Spiritual Truth
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@Wrangler, @Armour of God, @NayborBear what is your view on indulgences?
”One can never understand the Crusades without understanding their penitential character. It was the indulgence that lead thousands of men to take on a burden that would cost them dearly.”
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It is the role and responsibility of the government, not the church, to control immigration.
“… by the time of Constantine the Church was giving explicit approval of warfare as a restraint of evil. So effusive was the Church in its praise that during the reign of Theodosius II (408-450), all pagans were purportedly discharged from military service and only Christians were permitted to serve.
What did this shift in Christian life and ethic do to their belief that Jesus Christ was returning soon, so they did not need to invest themselves in the affairs of men? There existed an almost postmillennial relief among the Christians. Rather than awaiting the return of Jesus to rescue the persecuted, the Christians, now respected by many in the Roman society, felt it was their job to usher in the kingdom of God by enforcing Christian rules in the laws of men.”
(Christian Jihad, p. 62)
The shift moved the church from pacifistic to militaristic, contra the teaching of @Wrangler and his concealed church.
What did this shift in Christian life and ethic do to their belief that Jesus Christ was returning soon, so they did not need to invest themselves in the affairs of men? There existed an almost postmillennial relief among the Christians. Rather than awaiting the return of Jesus to rescue the persecuted, the Christians, now respected by many in the Roman society, felt it was their job to usher in the kingdom of God by enforcing Christian rules in the laws of men.”
(Christian Jihad, p. 62)
The shift moved the church from pacifistic to militaristic, contra the teaching of @Wrangler and his concealed church.
Tying this in with post #1750.
His answer came in response to my counsel to wait for Jesus.
I’m speaking as a 21st century representative of the pacifistic early church - “wait for Jesus”; @Wrangler is speaking as a 21st century representative of the later militaristic church - “no waiting [for Jesus]”.
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You see yet? This is only the smaller part of "The Great Commission" that Our Lord and Savior "commissioned" his Disciples to fulfill.
For you must understand that these 12/13 Disciples (as Judas was also fulfilling prophecy)! And that these (now) 12 Disciples had already, or were already Gone up into "The Gaps!"
Fighting This War WITH Michael!:
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And tis a "Sad STATE in the affairs of men AND Christianity" WHEN: Flesh men go hunting after flesh men just for the "sole purpose" of conversion.....And then STOP! Then "fancy themselves" as doing their due diligence for the Lord, AND GOD!
Which makes the adage: "When men refuse to learn from HIStory?" "CONDEMNS them to REPEAT IT!" So much the "truer!" As it is in my mind and suspect Wrangler and others on this forum as well! Oh!......What part of HIStory am I referring to?.........THIS!:
Ezekiel 13:
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.
6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith: and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
So I don't know if you "see" or can discern this or not.
Do you?
You see yet? This is only the smaller part of "The Great Commission" that Our Lord and Savior "commissioned" his Disciples to fulfill.
For you must understand that these 12/13 Disciples (as Judas was also fulfilling prophecy)! And that these (now) 12 Disciples had already, or were already Gone up into "The Gaps!"
Fighting This War WITH Michael!:
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And tis a "Sad STATE in the affairs of men AND Christianity" WHEN: Flesh men go hunting after flesh men just for the "sole purpose" of conversion.....And then STOP! Then "fancy themselves" as doing their due diligence for the Lord, AND GOD!
Which makes the adage: "When men refuse to learn from HIStory?" "CONDEMNS them to REPEAT IT!" So much the "truer!" As it is in my mind and suspect Wrangler and others on this forum as well! Oh!......What part of HIStory am I referring to?.........THIS!:
Ezekiel 13:
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.
6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith: and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
So I don't know if you "see" or can discern this or not.
Do you?
Among other things, I’m a retired adjunct college professor and church history is, among other things, one of the subjects I taught.
“Enough of this! Put away your sword.”
Do you recognize the speaker of those words? I imagine that you do.
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To the @Matthias' of the world, no justification is sufficient. His evil ideology whole heartedly embraces being an ongoing victim of evil no matter what the evil doer does. It's a lazy and cowardly abdication, complete abdication to DO JUSTICE.
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550 Jihad battles = OK
15 Crusades Battles = forever be condemned.
Double standards are hate filled standards.
15 Crusades Battles = forever be condemned.
Double standards are hate filled standards.
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Muslims sympathizers.
Brought up to hate western civilization and to love evil.
And hypocrites.
"I can defend myself but you can't defend yourself, you must surrender to evil"
Such people are just foolish
There is no sufficient justification for disobeying the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles.
Following the example set by Jesus, the Apostles, and the earliest Christians isn’t an “evil ideology,” nor is it ”lazy and cowardly abdication, complete abdication to DO JUSTICE.”
”Attempts to provide biblical warrants for Christian participation in warfare have long been offered by those who reject Christ-centered nonviolence. Some of the arguments that have frequently been offered in defense of Christians on the battlefield go back to the fourth century to Ambrose and Augustine. Below in bold type are brief statements of some of the more common ‘biblical’ justifications for the Christian participation in war. Following each of them is a short response that indicates why the argument fails to make the intended case. …”
(Craig M. Watts)
www.globalministries.org
I’m not associated with Reverend Watts. Read what he has to say and then ask yourself if what @Wrangler has to say about him (in post #1756) is valid or not.
P.S.
After reading @Armour of God post #1761, I want to add for the benefit of my readers that Reverend Watts is writing for Global Ministries.
“Global Ministries is the common witness of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the United Church of Christ.” (From the link.)
He isn’t a Muslim apologist / sympathizer.
(Craig M. Watts)
A Brief Examination of "Biblical" Justifications for War - Global Ministries
Attempts to provide biblical warrants for Christian participation in warfare have long been offered by those who reject Christ-centered nonviolence. Some of the arguments that have frequently been offered in defense of Christians on the battlefield go back to the … Read more
www.globalministries.org
I’m not associated with Reverend Watts. Read what he has to say and then ask yourself if what @Wrangler has to say about him (in post #1756) is valid or not.
P.S.
After reading @Armour of God post #1761, I want to add for the benefit of my readers that Reverend Watts is writing for Global Ministries.
“Global Ministries is the common witness of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the United Church of Christ.” (From the link.)
He isn’t a Muslim apologist / sympathizer.
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