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Reason for The Crusades explained
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I have the ability and I’ve demonstrated it, writing more on this forum about Psalm 110:1 than I have about any other passage of scripture. I invite you to read what I’ve said about it.
Neither @Wrangler nor @Armour of God answered my questions.
”The Memory of the Crusades
As Kane explains, ‘To Christians in the West the Crusades were a bad dream, of which we have only the faintest recollection; but to the Arabs they are the greatest proof of the Christian hatred of Islam.’ Christians bear the burden of a long and intensely bitter Muslim memory. Though atrocities were common on both sides, the atrocities committed by Christians were uniquely a repudiation of central Christian teachings.
In the mind of many Muslims, the Crusades feel like a living memory. To many within the Islamic world, Christians remain Crusaders, and evangelism is just another way of continuing the crusading mission.”
Why is the Muslim World So Resistant to the Gospel? - AlbertMohler.com
Cultural commentary from a Biblical perspective The future shape of the world appears to be a worldview competition between Christianity, Islam, and Western Secularism. For Christians, both of these
albertmohler.com
I don’t know if either of them has any interest in evangelizing Muslims but, if either one of them do, they are going about in the worst possible and least effective way.
1Co 5:9-13
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Armour of God
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You aren’t defending Christianity with your Crusader memes. You are harming Christianity and helping Islam with them.
Armour of God
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Woe to the haters of Christianity, hypocrites, Muslim sympathisers and supporters of evil.
Woe to them
Woe to them
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I wanted to translate this to modern English. From the VOICE.
12 Why would I ever attempt to judge those outside the church? Aren’t we called to judge those within the church? 13 God judges the outsiders. Your job is this: “Expel the wicked from your own community.
That’s what the Crusaders did - expel the wicked from their own community, who had no godly reason to be there! Discernment is needed by the overly spiritualized:
1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!
More discernment is that Paul was not talking about busy bodies or about matters of State, giving to Caesar what is Caesar's. Christ carried a soldier equipment 2 miles, which is the opposite of having nothing to do with it since Rome was not part of the church he founded.
We are not judging Muslims beyond their evil attacks on God's children. They will be brought to justice or justice will be brought to them as in the time of the Crusades and in the time after 9/11, nearly a 1/4 century ago now.
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Did Christ “carry a soldier equipment 2 miles”?
I asked AI and here is the response I received -
“No, the biblical account does not state that Jesus physically carried a soldier’s equipment for two miles. Instead, in Matthew 5:41, Jesus instructs his followers to ‘go the second mile’ as a radical, voluntary act of grace, referring to the legal right of Roman soldiers to force Jewish civilians to carry their equipment for one mile.
Historical Context: Under Roman law, soldiers could compel inhabitants of occupied territories to carry their heavy packs for one Roman mile, a practice that was considered a humiliating burden.
The Teaching: Jesus told his followers: ‘If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.’ This teaching was intended to change a compulsory, hated act into a voluntary, loving action.
’Going the Second Mile’ : This phrase, now a common idiom for doing more than what is required, was used to explain that believers should respond to oppresion with unexpected generosity and love, rather than resentment.
Metaphorical View: Some interpretations, such as this FaithGateway article, suggest the ‘second mile’ represents Christ’s own actions, such as his journey to the cross, rather than a literal, historical instance of him carrying a bag.”
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As I’ve commented elsewhere, I don’t trust AI. However, I believe the answer I received in response to my inquiry is a good response to the poor teaching presented in your post. My readers should decide for themselves.
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If this is true, does killing, raping, enslaving and pillaging make ISLAM stink throughout the world?
It is true.
Doesn’t it stink to you? It certainly does to me. If it doesn’t stink to @Anchorite I will be shocked.
Does it stink throughout the world? For those in the world with a conscience, it should.
Crusaders frequently engaged in rape, pillage, and massacres during various campaigns, most notably during the Sack of Constantinople in 1204, where Western Christians brutally looted the Byzantine city, violated women, and desecrated churches. These actions were consistent with behaviors observed during the First Crusade and in other theaters.
Key Instances of Atrocities:
Key Instances of Atrocities:
- Sack of Constantinople (1204): Crusaders, intending to reach Jerusalem, instead attacked the Christian city of Constantinople, resulting in three days of looting, killing approximately 2,000 residents, and raping women, including nuns.
- First Crusade (1096-1099): Crusaders committed atrocities not only in the Middle East but also during their march, murdering Jewish populations in the Rhineland and looting in Europe. Upon taking Jerusalem in 1099, witnesses documented "rivers of blood" and widespread murder of Muslim and Jewish residents, effectively turning the city into a "ghost town".
- Nature of Violence: Contemporaries, such as Nicetas Choniates, described the Crusaders as brutal, noting that even those who had taken vows of pilgrimage disregarded them to participate in plunder and rape.
- Repercussions: The violence was so severe that Pope Innocent III initially expressed anger at the sack of Constantinople, and Pope John Paul II later offered apologies for these acts.
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You’ve been - intentionally, it now appears to me - misled about me. I’m not a Muslim sympathizer. (But please do see my story about a conversation with an imam.)
Wowzer! That’s not true. I hope you don’t really believe that.
Do you have it in mind to post a similar meme about Judaism?
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Islamic world contributions to Medieval Europe - Wikipedia
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Don't think I've been mislead. Also think the chances of success in evangelizing muslims in general are slim to none!
Because you see, when you say evangelize?
This is NOT what a muslim HEARS!
Evangelize=Jihad
Only change? Is, the language!
Both "parties", if you will, wish the whole world to be either muslim, or Christian! One by evangelizing? The other by jihad!
Far as "love" goes?
Muslims practice more of an "aggressive violent form" of "corrective love", which is seen as pretty barbaric, by the "really pacifistic" Christian community. Save for a more aggressive form of "corrective love" when it comes to raising kids! And even "this" is being watered down as travel down this apostasetic road continues.
As can be seen on the nightly news. When it isn't experienced by the Christian community. Which usually doesn't make the evening news.
And should we as a country have more public displays of "Corporate Punishment?" Which has devolved to the point of now letting murders and rapists, and ALL TYPES of lawless behaviors out on a recognizance bond? Where MOST ASSUREDLY they WILL show up for their court date?
RIGHT!
Riddle me this if you'd be so kind:
Why, in Heavens Name would such people that disrespect "law" so much that would give them motivation to show up "by law" to a court date?
In that case, you’ve reached a false conclusion on your own. I’ll say it one more time, just to make certain you didn’t misunderstand what I said: I’m not a Muslim apologist / sympathizer. I’m a primitive Christian apologist.
The notion that I’m a Muslim apologist / sympathizer started with @Armour of God a week or so ago and was then picked up and perpetuated by @Wrangler. I’ve been posting on this forum for four years. No one besides those two, and now you, have ever made that false accusation against me. They haven’t offered an apology, nor have they retracted their lie. You can follow their example or you can do the right thing. Whichever you choose to do, it will be a reflection of your character.
You’re mistaken. For example, see the threads on the subject started by @Debp.
Because you see, when you say evangelize?
This is NOT what a muslim HEARS!
Evangelize=Jihad
Only change? Is, the language!
Both "parties", if you will, wish the whole world to be either muslim, or Christian! One by evangelizing? The other by jihad!
Far as "love" goes?
Muslims practice more of an "aggressive violent form" of "corrective love", which is seen as pretty barbaric, by the "really pacifistic" Christian community. Save for a more aggressive form of "corrective love" when it comes to raising kids! And even "this" is being watered down as travel down this apostasetic road continues.
As can be seen on the nightly news. When it isn't experienced by the Christian community. Which usually doesn't make the evening news.
And should we as a country have more public displays of "Corporate Punishment?" Which has devolved to the point of now letting murders and rapists, and ALL TYPES of lawless behaviors out on a recognizance bond? Where MOST ASSUREDLY they WILL show up for their court date?
RIGHT!
Riddle me this if you'd be so kind:
Why, in Heavens Name would such people that disrespect "law" so much that would give them motivation to show up "by law" to a court date?
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“The means by which the crusaders were victorious breached all boundaries of Christian ethics. It was their brutality that became legend, and subsequent generations of Europeans would assume that victory was perpetual.
It was not.”
(Christian Jihad, pp. 118-119)
The crusaders “breached all boundaries of Christian ethics” - as does spreading the rumor that I’m a Muslim apologist / sympathizer.
@Armour of God @Wrangler your breech of Christian ethics are intended to harm me. It won’t turn out the way that you hope that it will (Genesis 50:20).
It was not.”
(Christian Jihad, pp. 118-119)
The crusaders “breached all boundaries of Christian ethics” - as does spreading the rumor that I’m a Muslim apologist / sympathizer.
@Armour of God @Wrangler your breech of Christian ethics are intended to harm me. It won’t turn out the way that you hope that it will (Genesis 50:20).
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