Mark of the Beast on the horizon? - Key dates: November 2026, February 2027, March 17 2027

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What I "accept" is not the right question.
The penalty for accepting the Mark is eternal Hell Fire.
Whether or not the government implants a chip in anyone's right hand is immaterial when it comes to the sanctity of the human soul.
Eternal Hell is 'immaterial'?????
A government-required chip has nothing to do with the "mark" giving homage to the Roman phase of the Sea Beast. That "mark" disappeared in AD 66 as a requirement by the high priesthood in Israel.

Didn't Christ tell us that it is what comes out of a man that defiles him, not what goes into the man? Similarly, a rape victim is not guilty of any sin, any more than someone who is forced to have a chip implanted and has no recourse otherwise.
Revelation 14:9-11
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead or in his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
 

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Keep your right hand nice and clean unbelievers!
 

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Revelation 14:9-11
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead or in his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
You aren't even considering the context of what Scriptures said this Sea Beast in Rev. 13 actually was. The Sea Beast had lion, bear, and leopard features in Rev. 13:2. That should tell you that this Sea Beast was a composite one which had existed ever since the "lion" empire of the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar had taken control over the nation of Israel and deported their nobility. Babylon was followed by the "bear" empire of the Medo-Persians, and thereafter by the "leopard" Greek empire, as compared to the way Daniel described them. The power of these ancient kingdoms finally passed to the ancient Roman empire, who was given "Satan's throne" in the city of Pergamos in 133 BC.

ALL of these former pagan empires had demanded homage in some form or another from the Israelite people. (Homage such as Nebuchadnezzar's golden image). The "torment" experienced by those who abandoned their faith in the God of Israel and transferred their homage to any of these pagan empires had extended over the span of "the ages of the ages" (aionas ton aionon). This torment culminated in the final Roman oppression over the nation of Israel in the first century. By then, Israel's own high priesthood was in bed with the Roman governance in order to maintain their own financial and social standing. At Christ's trial before Pilate, "We have no king but Ceasar" showed where their true allegiance was lying - and it wasn't with the God they claimed to serve.

The Tyrian shekel requirement instituted by that high priesthood included an onerous fee that every Israelite had to pay if they wanted to buy or sell any sacrificial items in the temple and when they paid their annual Temple Tax. It reminded them continually that Rome held the controlling power over their own high priesthood. They had "no rest day or night "from this threat hanging over their heads.

God finally judged that "wicked and adulterous generation" by pouring His cup of wrath upon them "to the uttermost". God's cup of wrath had already come upon Israel to the uttermost back in the first century (1 Thess. 2:16), since their religious leaders were trying to hinder the spread of the gospel. Fire and brimstone burned up the city of Jerusalem and their temple in the AD 70 period. God and His holy messengers were in the very presence (enopion - before the face) of those who were being tormented by the destruction of their city Jerusalem and its temple.

You are trying to make this Revelation 14:10-11 text describe a perpetual tormented existence for the wicked in the ages of eternity, but if "day and night" are still going on for those being tormented, we are looking at a torment that ordinary living individuals were to experience on this planet. "The fulfillment of the ages" (aionon) Paul wrote had already come upon that first-century generation (1 Cor. 10:11). It was "the fulfillment of the ages" for Israel's existence as the formerly "holy people", whose power was being shattered in their own "latter days" (Daniel 12:7).

I repeat - the "mark" giving homage to the ancient Sea Beast is NOT a current threat for us today. That required Tyrian shekel "mark" expired long ago in AD 66.
 

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You aren't even considering the context of what Scriptures said this Sea Beast in Rev. 13 actually was. The Sea Beast had lion, bear, and leopard features in Rev. 13:2. That should tell you that this Sea Beast was a composite one which had existed ever since the "lion" empire of the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar had taken control over the nation of Israel and deported their nobility. Babylon was followed by the "bear" empire of the Medo-Persians, and thereafter by the "leopard" Greek empire, as compared to the way Daniel described them. The power of these ancient kingdoms finally passed to the ancient Roman empire, who was given "Satan's throne" in the city of Pergamos in 133 BC.

ALL of these former pagan empires had demanded homage in some form or another from the Israelite people. (Homage such as Nebuchadnezzar's golden image). The "torment" experienced by those who abandoned their faith in the God of Israel and gave homage to any of these pagan empires extended over the span of "the ages of the ages" (aionas ton aionon). This torment culminated in the final Roman oppression over the nation of Israel in the first century. By then, Israel's own high priesthood was in bed with the Roman governance in order to maintain their own financial and social standing. At Christ's trial before Pilate, "We have no king but Ceasar" showed where their true allegiance was lying - and it wasn't with the God they claimed to serve.

The Tyrian shekel requirement instituted by that high priesthood included an onerous fee that every Israelite had to pay if they wanted to buy or sell any sacrificial items in the temple and when they paid their annual Temple Tax. It reminded them continually that Rome held the controlling power over their own high priesthood. They had "no rest day nor night "from this threat hanging over their heads.

God finally judged that "wicked and adulterous generation" by pouring His cup of wrath upon them "to the uttermost". God's cup of wrath had already come upon Israel to the uttermost back in the first century (1 Thess. 2:16), since their religious leaders were trying to hinder the spread of the gospel. Fire and brimstone burned up the city of Jerusalem and their temple in the AD 70 period. God and His holy messengers were in the very presence (enopion - before the face) of those who were being tormented by the destruction of their city Jerusalem and its temple.

You are trying to make this Revelation 14:10-11 text describe a perpetual tormented existence for the wicked in the ages of eternity, but if "day and night" are still going on for those being tormented, we are looking at a torment that ordinary living individuals were to experience on this planet. "The fulfillment of the ages" (aionon) Paul wrote had already come upon that first-century generation (1 Cor. 10:11). It was "the fulfillment of the ages" for Israel's existence as the formerly "holy people", whose power was being shattered in their own "latter days" (Daniel 12:7).

I repeat - the "mark" giving homage to the ancient Sea Beast is NOT a current threat for us today. That required Tyrian shekel "mark" expired long ago in AD 66.
Many who agree with you will accept the Mark and burn in Hell FOREVER! And you will be held accountable for everyone you convince.
 

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You aren't even considering the context of what Scriptures said this Sea Beast in Rev. 13 actually was. The Sea Beast had lion, bear, and leopard features in Rev. 13:2. That should tell you that this Sea Beast was a composite one which had existed ever since the "lion" empire of the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar had taken control over the nation of Israel and deported their nobility. Babylon was followed by the "bear" empire of the Medo-Persians, and thereafter by the "leopard" Greek empire, as compared to the way Daniel described them. The power of these ancient kingdoms finally passed to the ancient Roman empire, who was given "Satan's throne" in the city of Pergamos in 133 BC.

ALL of these former pagan empires had demanded homage in some form or another from the Israelite people. (Homage such as Nebuchadnezzar's golden image). The "torment" experienced by those who abandoned their faith in the God of Israel and transferred their homage to any of these pagan empires had extended over the span of "the ages of the ages" (aionas ton aionon). This torment culminated in the final Roman oppression over the nation of Israel in the first century. By then, Israel's own high priesthood was in bed with the Roman governance in order to maintain their own financial and social standing. At Christ's trial before Pilate, "We have no king but Ceasar" showed where their true allegiance was lying - and it wasn't with the God they claimed to serve.

The Tyrian shekel requirement instituted by that high priesthood included an onerous fee that every Israelite had to pay if they wanted to buy or sell any sacrificial items in the temple and when they paid their annual Temple Tax. It reminded them continually that Rome held the controlling power over their own high priesthood. They had "no rest day or night "from this threat hanging over their heads.

God finally judged that "wicked and adulterous generation" by pouring His cup of wrath upon them "to the uttermost". God's cup of wrath had already come upon Israel to the uttermost back in the first century (1 Thess. 2:16), since their religious leaders were trying to hinder the spread of the gospel. Fire and brimstone burned up the city of Jerusalem and their temple in the AD 70 period. God and His holy messengers were in the very presence (enopion - before the face) of those who were being tormented by the destruction of their city Jerusalem and its temple.

You are trying to make this Revelation 14:10-11 text describe a perpetual tormented existence for the wicked in the ages of eternity, but if "day and night" are still going on for those being tormented, we are looking at a torment that ordinary living individuals were to experience on this planet. "The fulfillment of the ages" (aionon) Paul wrote had already come upon that first-century generation (1 Cor. 10:11). It was "the fulfillment of the ages" for Israel's existence as the formerly "holy people", whose power was being shattered in their own "latter days" (Daniel 12:7).

I repeat - the "mark" giving homage to the ancient Sea Beast is NOT a current threat for us today. That required Tyrian shekel "mark" expired long ago in AD 66.
Do you even believe Jesus' doctrine of EVERLASTING Hell Fire?
 

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Many who agree with you will accept the Mark and burn in Hell FOREVER!
There is no such thing as "burning in Hell forever".

It is THE RIGHTEOUS who are going to be blessed to "dwell with everlasting burnings". Read Isaiah 33:14-17.

"...Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings
? He that walketh RIGHTEOUSLY, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; HE shall DWELL ON HIGH..."

There is a constant stream of consuming fire which emerges from before the throne of the Ancient of Days, as Daniel 7: 9-10 described his vision of the Almighty. It is the RIGHTEOUS in their glorified, resurrected bodies who will be enabled to dwell with God as the Source of that eternal fire in heaven, without being consumed by it. WE are the ones who will be able to "see the King in His beauty" and to "behold the land that is very far off."

The wicked in the judgment are consumed by that Source of "everlasting burnings", both body and soul.
 
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There is no such thing as "burning in Hell forever".
You just called Jesus a LIAR!
It is THE RIGHTEOUS who are going to be blessed to "dwell with everlasting burnings". Read Isaiah 33:14-15.

"...Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings
? He that walketh RIGHTEOUSLY, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; HE shall DWELL ON HIGH..."

There is a constant stream of consuming fire which emerges from before the throne of the Ancient of Days, as Daniel 7: 9-10 described his vision of the Almighty. It is the RIGHTEOUS in their glorified, resurrected bodies who will be enabled to dwell with God as the Source of that eternal fire in heaven, without being consumed by it. WE are the ones who will be able to "see the King in His beauty" and to "behold the land that is very far off."

The wicked in the judgment are consumed by that Source of "everlasting burnings", both body and soul.
BILLIONS of humans will burn FOREVER who don't believe in Hell!
 

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No, I didn't. I'm calling you a mis-interpreter of Scripture instead.
I didn't interpret anything. I quote Jesus / God of the Bible / the NT.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
 

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Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
That text is describing the location of Jerusalem, which is the location of God's "furnace of fire". Read Isaiah 31:9 where it states that God's "FIRE is in ZION, and His FURNACE IN JERUSALEM". Jerusalem always had a "furnace of fire" which was used to ritually purify donated items which could withstand passing through the heat. This was to also test the items for the purity of their metal content before they were put into the temple treasury. This practice went all the way back to OT times. Whatever could not stand the test of fire in the furnace was to pass through a washing process to ritually purify it (Numbers 32:21-23).

It was the city of Jerusalem which became that "Lake of Fire" / aka the "second death" of the city, compared to its first death under the Babylonian invasion of 587 BC. Death and Hell (the grave) came to overwhelm the governors of Jerusalem back then in 587 BC as well as a second time in the AD 70 period.

The "weeping and gnashing of teeth" was done by those who were claiming, "Lord, lord open unto us...we have eaten and drunk in your presence, and thou hast taught in our streets" (Luke 13:26). This is a claim that ONLY first-century Jews could possibly say. These were living Jewish individuals who were going to experience the horrors of the unequalled "great tribulation" that took place in their own city of Jerusalem as it was besieged for 3-1/2 years from AD 66-70 before it was all burned up. It is NOT describing a supposed perpetual tormented afterlife existence of the wicked, since their fate is to "perish" both body and soul in the judgment.
 
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That text is describing the location of Jerusalem, which is the location of God's "furnace of fire". Read Isaiah 31:9 where it states that God's "FIRE is in ZION, and His FURNACE IN JERUSALEM". Jerusalem always had a "furnace of fire" which was used to ritually purify donated items which could withstand passing through the heat. This was to also test the items for the purity of their metal content before they were put into the temple treasury. This practice went all the way back to OT times. Whatever could not stand the test of fire in the furnace was to pass through a washing process to ritually purify it (Numbers 32:21-23).

It was the city of Jerusalem which became that "Lake of Fire" / aka the "second death" of the city, compared to its first death under the Babylonian invasion of 587 BC. Death and Hell (the grave) came to overwhelm the governors of Jerusalem back then in 587 BC as well as a second time in the AD 70 period.

The "weeping and gnashing of teeth" was done by those who were claiming, "Lord, lord open unto us...we have eaten and drunk in your presence, and thou hast taught in our streets" (Luke 13:26). This is a claim that ONLY first-century Jews could possibly say. These were living Jewish individuals who were going to experience the horrors of the unequalled "great tribulation" that took place in their own city of Jerusalem as it was besieged for 3-1/2 years from AD 66-70. It is NOT describing a supposed perpetual tormented afterlife existence of the wicked, since their fate is to "perish" both body and soul in the judgment.
The last Words Hell deniers / JW's will hear from Jesus:

Matthew 25:41
41 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into THE EVERLASTING FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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Matthew 25:41
41 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into THE EVERLASTING FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels:
It is called "everlasting fire" because God calls Himself a "consuming fire", and He is the ETERNAL SOURCE of that fire. God poured out His fire on Jerusalem in its AD 70 destruction to consume the city. The Devil and his angels were subjected to that environment because they were all imprisoned within the city of Jerusalem during those final AD 66-70 years (Isaiah 24:20-23, Rev. 18:2).

At the close, Satan and his angels were consumed by God's fire from heaven and burned to "ashes upon the earth," as prophesied in Ezekiel 28:18-19. Jerusalem with its "Lake of Fire" / aka "second death" environment was intended to be the location for the eradication of the entire Satanic realm by AD 70's end. This was their "prepared" fate, ever since Ezekiel 28:18-19 and Isaiah 24:20-23 predicted it for Satan and all his hosts. And they were all well aware of their approaching fate, even in Jesus's time on earth. "Art thou come to torment us before the time?", they asked Christ. Satan knew of this decreed end for himself and his minions.

(And by the way, I'm a Reformed Baptist / Preterist, not a JW.)
 

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It is called "everlasting fire" because God calls Himself a "consuming fire", and He is the ETERNAL SOURCE of that fire. God poured out His fire on Jerusalem in its AD 70 destruction to consume the city. The Devil and his angels were subjected to that environment because they were all imprisoned within the city of Jerusalem during those final AD 66-70 years (Isaiah 24:20-23, Rev. 18:2).

At the close, Satan and his angels were consumed by God's fire from heaven and burned to "ashes upon the earth," as prophesied in Ezekiel 28:18-19. Jerusalem with its "Lake of Fire" / aka "second death" environment was intended to be the location for the eradication of the entire Satanic realm by AD 70's end. This was their "prepared" fate, ever since Ezekiel 28:18-19 and Isaiah 24:20-23 predicted it for Satan and all his hosts. And they were all well aware of their approaching fate, even in Jesus's time on earth. "Art thou come to torment us before the time?", they asked Christ. Satan knew of this decreed end for himself and his minions.

(And by the way, I'm a Reformed Baptist / Preterist, not a JW.)
Why don't you quote Scripture / Jesus??? Instead of JW opinions?
 

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Why don't you quote Scripture / Jesus??? Instead of JW opinions?
I don't give a flip about JW doctrines when it comes to relying simply on the Scriptures for what I believe and write about. And hey, even the devils testified truly that Christ was "the Holy One of God". Even the devils knew and could state a truth on occasion.

I DO quote Scripture references for my points. I am complimenting your intelligence by quoting only portions of many of those texts, because I'm certain you are mature enough a believer for that portion of the text to jog your memory. I am typing in haste, because I am stealing time from my workroom deadlines to post anything online...
 

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I don't give a flip about JW doctrines when it comes to relying simply on the Scriptures for what I believe and write about. And hey, even the devils testified truly that Christ was "the Holy One of God". Even the devils knew and could state a truth on occasion.

I DO quote Scripture references for my points. I am complimenting your intelligence by quoting only portions of many of those texts, because I'm certain you are mature enough a believer for that portion of the text to jog your memory. I am typing in haste, because I am stealing time from my workroom deadlines to post anything online...
Why are you denying the ETERNAL Hell Fire???
 

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It is called "everlasting fire" because God calls Himself a "consuming fire", and He is the ETERNAL SOURCE of that fire. God poured out His fire on Jerusalem in its AD 70 destruction to consume the city. The Devil and his angels were subjected to that environment because they were all imprisoned within the city of Jerusalem during those final AD 66-70 years (Isaiah 24:20-23, Rev. 18:2).

At the close, Satan and his angels were consumed by God's fire from heaven and burned to "ashes upon the earth," as prophesied in Ezekiel 28:18-19. Jerusalem with its "Lake of Fire" / aka "second death" environment was intended to be the location for the eradication of the entire Satanic realm by AD 70's end. This was their "prepared" fate, ever since Ezekiel 28:18-19 and Isaiah 24:20-23 predicted it for Satan and all his hosts. And they were all well aware of their approaching fate, even in Jesus's time on earth. "Art thou come to torment us before the time?", they asked Christ. Satan knew of this decreed end for himself and his minions.

(And by the way, I'm a Reformed Baptist / Preterist, not a JW.)
ZERO Scripture quotes! Preterist??? When did this happen? :

Zechariah 14:1-12
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
 

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When did this happen Preterist?

Revelation 20:15
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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I don't give a flip about JW doctrines when it comes to relying simply on the Scriptures for what I believe and write about. And hey, even the devils testified truly that Christ was "the Holy One of God". Even the devils knew and could state a truth on occasion.

I DO quote Scripture references for my points. I am complimenting your intelligence by quoting only portions of many of those texts, because I'm certain you are mature enough a believer for that portion of the text to jog your memory. I am typing in haste, because I am stealing time from my workroom deadlines to post anything online...
So, when the Government DEMANDS you accept a chip in you right hand you will accept it, because it's already happened?
 

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Keep in mind that large amounts of You Tube content is untrue......and perhaps it is deliberately meant to be, so that the unsuspecting masses will easily swallow information and ultimately be confused. They are easier to manage that way.
As in the words of the LORD in Mat. 24:4.."And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you." The advice was given three time in this chapter....Good advice these days.
 
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As in the words of the LORD in Mat. 24:4.."And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you." The advice was given three time in this chapter....Good advice these days.
For certain. Discerning between truth and lies on these platforms is often a bit of a trick. 'How we hear' as Jesus said, is absolutely important (Luke 18:18)

How we hear, not just what we hear, determines what we end up believing.
 
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