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Do we have free will or are we predestined?


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Do we have free will or are we predestined?

Human manKIND has FREEWILL.

(The creator and Maker, All-Knowing) God,
Has “PRE- Destined”…
An Established PLACE…
Of WHERE every man-KIND of being, With God,
or
With-OUT God,
SHALL be Appointed and Sent…
Eternally… With God
or
Eternally… Without God.

ManKIND, SHALL KNOW, his own Destiny, By What the man FREELY Chooses.

Glory to God,
Take
 

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What's the point of doing anything if there is a divine plan that we cannot change? We talk about hell, but what about evil people that go to heaven if it is predestined?

It's an important point of discussion because freewill means everything in Christianity. If we aren't free to choose, then how can we be justly judged?

Good points.
That's why the whole topic confuses me.
There are many passages about predestination that makes me wonder.

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you
John 15:16

I also wonder what about the people who never heard of Christ. If salvation is only through Christ. What about people in isolated tribes that never knew Jesus. Or anyone born before the 16th century, outside of Europe, before the word of Christ reached those parts of the world. Places like east Asia, the America's, southern Africa, Australia.

Maybe there are some errors in the bible, after all it was written by humans and humans tend to make mistakes.

That's why I just admit that I don't know. Certain things are beyond my limited mental capacity.
 
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Do we have free will or are we predestined?

Human manKIND has FREEWILL.

(The creator and Maker, All-Knowing) God,
Has “PRE- Destined”…
An Established PLACE…
Of WHERE every man-KIND of being, With God,
or
With-OUT God,
SHALL be Appointed and Sent…
Eternally… With God
or
Eternally… Without God.

ManKIND, SHALL KNOW, his own Destiny, By What the man FREELY Chooses.

Glory to God,
Take

So your saying there are possibly two predestined places.
One with God and one without.
Then it's up to us?
That's probably the most logical explanation I have heard.

@Riven read this one.
 

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Maybe there are some errors in the bible, after all it was written by humans and humans tend to make mistakes.
No I can't agree with that because the Holy Spirit inspired the prophets and others to write the Scriptures.

14But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:14-17
 

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So your saying there are possibly two predestined places.
One with God and one without.
Then it's up to us?
That's probably the most logical explanation I have heard.

Many ARE CALLED…
* Some were CALLED by God Directly.
* Some were / are CALLED, by parents, teachers, pastors, friends, happenstance.
* Some WILL respond, be curious, try out hearing, learning, continue…
(called… TASTING)
* Some WILL, TASTE, and Reject.
* Some WILL, TASTE, and Believe, and HOPE, and not Think about it more than THAT.
* Some WILL, TASTE, “ Freely” TASTE MORE, “EAT” (Vow a Commitment) to what they have Been Tasting, (sealing their own Destiny)… With God Forever.
…. THESE ^^, continue hearing, learning, keep their Relationship WITH God, ongoing, present, daily.
…. THESE ^^, Become…
THEY … WHO SERVE God…
By … Worshiping Him…
By … Thanking Him…
By… Speaking His Word for others to Hear.
By… Calling, Inviting, others to Hear.
By… Becoming MADE, the Chosen.

Big, broad picture, of All men ever born, comparatively, in number amounts…
Few will believe.
Few will commit.
Few ARE / Shall be CHOSEN.

Glory to God,
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No I can't agree with that because the Holy Spirit inspired the prophets and others to write the Scriptures

I see contradictions in the bible.

For example Matthew says that Judas gave back the money and hung himself. Acts says that Judas bought a field with the money, fell over and his entrails burst out.

Only one can be true.

Another example is that one account of Jesus's birth says they went to Egypt after the birth of Christ. Another account says they went to Nazareth after His birth.

And there are many more.

So although the writings are inspired by God, the humans that wrote them may still get some details wrong. Otherwise how do you account for such contradictions?
 

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Many people always qoute that scripture that "all scripture was given for reproof and correction" - that was a message directly to Timothy in order to be reminded concerning the Old Testament.

Now I don't know the story of Timothy other than Paul sent him out to do some things in order to help people in that day in age but it is not talking about the New Testament though people can make it suggest that "it means the whole book now today."

That's something I was afforded concerning the narrative of the book itself concerning Paul writing to Timothy, and him reminding him of the Old Testament scripture by writing in such a way that he did though most say "it means the whole bible."

I believe those people are wrong.

If I could have corrected myself out a long time ago I would have but the old testament never did it - the Spirit of Christ had some merited effect in when - when we are abiding in the vine of Christ - Jesus come from us by the virtue of that spirit of Christ with in us, that causes heavenly attributes to be performed - mentioned as such in Galatians 5.


I could be wrong, but anyway I don't mind sharing some information I do find important. I know when I see "all scripture is given" written to timothy in that day in age, he is speaking to timothy concerning the Old Testament...


Do we use the Old Testament to correct people today.... lol. no... We don't go and say if your son or daughter is nothing but a drunkard or a stain on society you bring her or him to the front gate of the community and stone them....

People can be broken down by the old testament. (That was for the Children of Israel and their nation tribes) (That even when split up they were still all going to the temple in Jerusalem to sacrifice.)
But the spirit their is newness of life by the spirit of Christ.

Good grief.
 

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I see contradictions in the bible.

For example Matthew says that Judas gave back the money and hung himself. Acts says that Judas bought a field with the money, fell over and his entrails burst out.

Only one can be true.

Another example is that one account of Jesus's birth says they went to Egypt after the birth of Christ. Another account says they went to Nazareth after His birth.

And there are many more.

So although the writings are inspired by God, the humans that wrote them may still get some details wrong. Otherwise how do you account for such contradictions?

The gospels of Matt, Mark, Luke, John…
Are “According to”…
Matt, Mark, Luke, John.

You and 3 others could, hear, witness the same event, experience, movie…

And all 4 RE-Tell the experience slightly different.

For example…
Did Judas return the money? Yes.
After the money was “returned”, was that “money Given Judas …returned money used to purchase a Field” ? Yes.

For example…
Was Jesus ever taken by his parents to …
Egypt? Yes.
Nazareth? Yes.

Sometimes the minute to minute details, date, day, hour…. Are not the highlight importance to focus on… rather, the Why.

Why did Jesus’ parents not go home to Nazareth?
The Present king wanted to Kill Jesus.
When did the parents and Jesus return to their home?
After the king died.

Why was Judas’ returned money used to purchase a field? At whose expense?
The people? The government?
Ultimately, Judas.

To bury him, and others “who had made no burial arrangements”, ie. A potters field.

Not a contradiction.
Rather different timing, from different perspectives, of Two telling their view of importance, without grand elaboration.

Glory to God,
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The scripture I quoted would be all without exception.

Then why do we find verses from Scripture telling us that not ALL mankind would be glorified through salvation? Many have already died in unbelief, so clearly "all" is not without exception, but "all" according to faith without distinction of Jew or Gentile.
 

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It should be obvious.

"... Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things
required by the law, they are a law for themselves..."

"... their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes
accusing them and at other times even defending them."

"This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares."

You haven't proven that all Gentiles who do good deeds according to natural conscience have been predestined to glory!
 

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I see contradictions in the bible.

For example Matthew says that Judas gave back the money and hung himself. Acts says that Judas bought a field with the money, fell over and his entrails burst out.

Only one can be true.

Another example is that one account of Jesus's birth says they went to Egypt after the birth of Christ. Another account says they went to Nazareth after His birth.

And there are many more.

So although the writings are inspired by God, the humans that wrote them may still get some details wrong. Otherwise how do you account for such contradictions?

This explains the discrepancy about the death of Judas.

People's entrails don't fall out after a fall. But if a person is hanging and decomposing and the rope breaks, when their body falls the entrails can fall out.

About the fleeing to Egypt and going to Nazareth, this explains that.
 

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Imagine spending your life as a Christian, following the teachings of Christ, living a good and righteous life, only to find out that God hasn't chosen you and your still damned to hell anyway... Geez that's bad, really bad.

So if we're predestined what's the use of praying? If God already has everything lined up for you?

I supposed I can still give thanks and ask for strength to overcome adversity, like I usually do, but asking for any changes or to be saved would be worthless if we're predestined. Even having faith and being righteous would be worthless if we're already predestined. Doesn't make sense to me

And what if your born outside of Christisnity, never heard of Jesus. You going to hell? Just bad luck? I don't know

We aren't born with eternal life (saved) through Christ. We are born to be saved (eternal life), and whosoever is ordained to eternal life shall believe on Him for salvation.

Acts 13:48 (KJV) And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
 
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Then why do we find verses from Scripture telling us that not ALL mankind would be glorified through salvation?

Salvation is a Gift … OFFERING, from God.

Not ALL will TAKE His Gift.
Not ALL will HOPE they will Receive His Gift.
Few Have Received His Gift.
Few Shall Receive His Gift.
Many will NOT Receive His Gift.

Scripture, speaks to all men.
Not EVERY passage in Scripture Applies to EVERY man.
 

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You haven't proven that all Gentiles who do good deeds according to natural conscience have been predestined to glory!

Doing … good deeds, is NOT the prerequisite … “requirement”… to Receive…
Salvation,
and thereafter,
Receive glorification.

Doing … good deeds is the prerequisite to Receive… blessings AND rewards.
 
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We aren't born with eternal life (saved) through Christ. We are born to be saved (eternal life), and whosoever is ordained to eternal life shall believe on Him for salvation.

Acts 13:48 (KJV) And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Yes, but the sequence is in reverse…
Belief first…
Then Saved.

Additionally…
Belief….
* while Bodily Alive.
Salvation Given…
*AFTER a body is accounted DEAD.

Glory to God,
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What's the point of doing anything if there is a divine plan that we cannot change? We talk about hell, but what about evil people that go to heaven if it is predestined?

It's an important point of discussion because freewill means everything in Christianity. If we aren't free to choose, then how can we be justly judged?
First of all, I'd like to congratulate you for the decision you made in "seeking out the truth that has, and shall continue to set you free!"
Also would like to Praise the Father having given you the "measure of faith" that eventually, like a germinating seed growing inside of you; that upon growing to the point of "sprouting" so to speak, caused you to become cognizant that the "life course" you were on, although seemingly refreshing and fulfilling, at the time, but yet, wasn't feeding that growing faith within you which kept causing you in feeling that emptiness inside.
But, anyways? Like so many posters in this forum congratulating you in your decision? There are Angels in Heaven rejoicing also!

To your question though. Should you come to believe that: "With God, in as well as through (believing) Jesus Christ of Nazareth (giving you STRENGTH)?"
"ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!"
Now here's a case in point which pretty much "proves" that God CAN, and oft times, WILL change His mind, which is usually "worded" as "repent" from a decision, or, "Righteous Judgement!"
In this particular case? Involving the Prophet Jonah and a booming metropolis called Nineveh! Of which, is a pretty good read of only about 4 chapters. So it won't take awfully long:
Jonah 3:
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God SAW their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God REPENTED of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and HE DID IT NOT.

And should you be thinking that God does these "repenting's" just for booming metropolis's? (YES!....HE CAN!)
Looky here:
Matthew 6:
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? (And?......YES!....HE WILL!)

And freewill with the Christian? Usually entails how much influence and seduction: Adversary's of the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven, and the Kingdom of Light, causes a, or the believer, in "undermining the SOVEREIGNTY" of GOD!

In allowing the measure of faith given you in continuing to grow and flourish within you? You may well become surprised, and probably a bit "fearful" in "Awe AND Reverence" concerning: Not only Jesus Christ of Nazareth? but, ALSO? HE who SENT Him!

When you believe that God will NEVER leave you NOR forsake you?
What my Dad always used to tell me when things got bad?:
"Guess who walked away?"
Because God is not ONLY Sovereign?
He's JEALOUS TOO!

Sorry for such a long post. But something inside of me urged me to, because you, and or, someone else reading this post needed to hear it!
Or? Which ALSO could be true?
Someone either needed or wanted me to say it!
Either way/s? There it is! :Broadly:
And? Before exiting?
Contrary as this may sound or seem?
God DOES have a sense of humor! :vgood:
 

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You need to work on your problem of accepting other people's opinions

You seem almost obsessed with the mystic. We need to be careful so we don't make idols out of mere human beings.

@Armour of God, regarding your claim that I “have a problem accepting other people’s opinions”: accepting someone’s opinion does not mean agreeing with it; it means acknowledging their freedom to hold it. I have repeatedly affirmed that everyone is free to accept or reject Maria Valtorta’s non‑canonical writings as inspired, and I have never demanded assent, argued aggressively, or refused to listen. Disagreement with someone’s reasoning is not the same as refusing to accept their opinion.

@Debp, for clarity, I do not “idolize” Maria Valtorta. Idolatry means placing a creature above God or giving divine worship to someone other than Him. I have never done that, nor have I ever suggested that her inspired writings are Scripture or binding on anyone. Appreciation is not idolatry, and quoting a source is not worship.

And since you say I “seem obsessed” with quoting from Maria Valtorta's inspired writings, I think it’s only fair to explain why I do at all. It is not because I demand others accept her writings as inspired, but because of how I first encountered them and the role they played in answering sincere questions about the Gospel and more that Scripture does not explicitly address.

The first forum website I ever joined was called A Christian and an Atheist back in 2014. Before it closed, for a couple years I regularly conversed with several atheists there—mainly KeeptheReason (KTR), Darkumbra, and searchengineguy (SEG). They often asked thoughtful questions about Gospel characters, events, seemingly contradictory accounts, and related topics. Even then, as now, I understood that Scripture is not a comprehensive knowledge source, nor was it intended to be, and so there were times when certain answers simply could not be found explicitly—or at all—within the scriptural text. Still, I always answered as best I could with the knowledge I had.

One day, they began asking questions about the Virgin Mary. And as most of us recognize, while Jesus is sufficiently described in the Gospels—the minimum necessary for the salvation of hearts—Mary remains far less detailed. What we have is an outline, beautiful but incomplete, leaving much of Her life and person in shadow. As had happened many times before, despite my best efforts, the atheists were dissatisfied with my responses. I was dissatisfied too—not with them, but with the fact that I couldn’t give them the fuller answers they were seeking, whether or not their curiosity was sincere.

So I went to my mom. I relayed their questions about Mary and the answers I had given. She encouraged me, but also suggested that I read The Poem of the Man-God (also known as The Gospel as Revealed to Me), adding that I would likely find the specific details they were asking about there, and that my grandmother had been an avid reader of it.

Immediately afterward, I found a publicly available PDF and began reading. Very early in my reading, my soul recognized the Voice of the Work’s Author—years before I learned about the extensive evidence, including scientific studies, supporting its supernatural origin. That was the beginning of a much deeper engagement with private revelation, and with understanding of Mary’s life beyond the sparse outlines preserved in Scripture—as well as the lives of Jesus and other Gospel characters. And suddenly I found myself able to pass on detailed answers to my atheist acquaintances’ questions—even the ones that had seemed difficult or unanswerable.

And the joy I felt was not because they accepted those answers—they didn’t. The joy came from discovering, almost overnight, this unexpected flood of divine love, knowledge, and wisdom, and how it could be used to relieve confusion, doubt and disbelief in souls.

As Jesus promised..."ask and you shall receive" (Matthew 7:7-8).

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t also surprised, confused, and frustrated by their immediate rejection of what they had asked for—especially when they offered no reasonable explanation for doing so, if they offered one at all. And they didn’t simply say, “One either believes these visions and dictations came from Jesus or they don’t. You do. We don’t.” Instead, they became irrationally riled:
  • personal attacks against me, without basis
  • baseless accusations against Maria Valtorta—claiming mental illness without any medical evidence
  • refusing objectivity, searching only for critics and ignoring primary sources
  • twisting our words, both hers and mine
But their attempts to discredit Maria Valtorta and detour others from her were embers compared to the blazing flame of holy peace, joy, love, knowledge, and wisdom I received from God in the words I read. And God won out. I have continued to read and discover more of her inspired writings, quote them alongside Scripture when applicable, leave each person free to do with it what they will, and familiarize myself with both the arguments of her critics and supporters.

Here I am, twelve years into this online ministry—unmarried, childless, and therefore free to devote myself to this work. It often feels like traversing a desert, where the rare oasis—such as @St. SteVen, @quietthinker, and others—appears only occasionally, yet refreshes the soul when it does.

A few days ago, I prayed to Jesus: “I only want to do Your will. If You want me to continue what I’ve been doing, please give me a sign I will understand.”

The very next day, while spending time with my sister, I asked her—completely unprompted—“Do you think I’m meant to be doing what I’ve been doing? I feel that I am.” She replied, “It’s funny you should ask. I was just thinking the other day that you are—and that if the Lord wanted something different for you, He would let you know.” That’s when I told her what I had said to Jesus, and I recognized her response as an answer to my prayer.

So, if I have an "obsession" with anything, it is with doing His will.

Where, then, do we draw the line on obsessiveness for God?

If responding to people's many questions by quoting passages from inspired writings—Scripture, God Calling, The Poem of the Man-God (also known as The Gospel as Revealed to Me), and others—in the hope of drawing their souls closer to God is considered “too much,” then what do we make of the lengths to which the first Christians went for God? They gave up their livelihoods, spent long periods away from their families, traveled the world, wrote down and copied Jesus’ words by hand when they weren’t proclaiming them aloud, and did so under threats of brutal torture and death—threats that, for many, became reality.

The only forms of persecution that apply to my mode of ministry are typed personal attacks, censorship, and banning—and I have experienced these on multiple occasions, largely because I am Catholic, because Maria Valtorta was Catholic, and because many assume God does not grant visions or dictations outside those mentioned in the canon. These reactions often seem less about the content itself and more about a prejudice against anything associated with Catholic spirituality or Catholic visionaries and mystics. But disagreement with Catholic theology is not a justification for hostility toward Catholics, nor for dismissing something solely because a Catholic is affiliated with it.

Remember, too, that God is a living being—eternal, personal, and active. His knowledge, His speech, His illumination, and His works are not confined to a fixed number of books, to certain groups of people, or a single historical moment. The canon is complete, but God—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—is not silent, nor limited in ability to enlighten souls in any age.

Therefore, do not be so quick or so confident in dismissing any private revelation. The question is not whether God can speak—of course He can—but whether He has spoken in a given instance. And all that you do must be done in love, including discernment (1 Corinthians 16:14). For if you do not discern with love, then God Who is love, as John says, does not abide in you; and if He does not abide in you, then the One who gives wisdom, knowledge, and understanding cannot illuminate your discernment. And if He does not illuminate you, then you cannot recognize His presence—or His absence—in anything you examine (Proverbs 2:6; 1 John 4:7-8).

"But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceful, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." (James 3:17)

It's one thing to differ in viewpoints regarding Maria Valtorta's writings, but we shouldn't commit the sin against love for any reason, including disagreement. Hopefully, I've expressed clearly my reasons behind posting the content that I believe to be non-canonical but inspired. And, if anyone has questions about it, feel free to ask.

May the Holy Spirit keep our discernment gentle, our charity steadfast, and our hearts open to God's will.
 
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@Armour of God, regarding the claim that I “have a problem accepting other people’s opinions”: accepting someone’s opinion does not mean agreeing with it; it means acknowledging their freedom to hold it. I have repeatedly affirmed that everyone is free to accept or reject Maria Valtorta’s non‑canonical writings as inspired, and I have never demanded assent, argued aggressively, or refused to listen. Disagreement with someone’s reasoning is not the same as refusing to accept their opinion.

@Debp, for clarity, I do not “idolize” Maria Valtorta. Idolatry means placing a creature above God or giving divine worship to someone other than Him. I have never done that, nor have I ever suggested that her inspired writings are Scripture or binding on anyone. Appreciation is not idolatry, and quoting a source is not worship.

And since you say I “seem obsessed” with quoting from Maria Valtorta's inspired writings, I think it’s only fair to explain why I do at all. It is not because I demand others accept her writings as inspired, but because of how I first encountered them and the role they played in answering sincere questions about the Gospel that Scripture does not explicitly address.

The first forum website I ever joined was called A Christian and an Atheist back in 2014. I regularly conversed with several atheists there—mainly KeeptheReason (KTR), Darkumbra, and searchengineguy (SEG). They often asked thoughtful questions about Gospel characters, events, or seemingly contradictory accounts, and related topics. Even then, as now, I understood that Scripture is not a comprehensive knowledge source, nor was it intended to be, and so there were times when certain answers simply could not be found explicitly—or at all—within the scriptural text. Still, I always answered as best I could with the knowledge I had.

One day, they began asking questions about the Virgin Mary. And as most of us recognize, while Jesus is sufficiently described in the Gospels—the minimum necessary for the salvation of hearts—Mary remains far less detailed. What we have is an outline, beautiful but incomplete, leaving much of Her life and person in shadow. As had happened many times before, despite my best efforts, the atheists were dissatisfied with my responses. I was dissatisfied too—not with them, but with the fact that I couldn’t give them the fuller answers they were seeking, whether or not their curiosity was sincere.

So I went to my mom. I relayed their questions about Mary and the answers I had given. She encouraged me, but also suggested that I read The Poem of the Man-God (also known as The Gospel as Revealed to Me), adding that I would likely find the specific details they were asking about there, and that my grandmother had been an avid reader of it.

Immediately afterward, I found a publicly available PDF and began reading. Very early in my reading, my soul recognized the Voice of the Work’s Author—years before I learned about the extensive evidence, including scientific studies, supporting its supernatural origin. That was the beginning of a much deeper engagement with private revelation, and with understanding of Mary’s life beyond the sparse outlines preserved in Scripture—as well as the lives of Jesus and other Gospel characters. And suddenly I found myself able to give detailed answers to my atheist acquaintances’ questions—even the ones that had seemed difficult or impossible.

The joy I felt was not because they accepted the answers—they didn’t. The joy came from discovering, almost overnight, this unexpected flood of divine love and wisdom. It fulfilled not only my desire to draw souls closer to God by answering the questions that kept them in doubt, but also their own thirst to know and understand.

As Jesus promised..."ask and you shall receive" (Matthew 7:7-8).

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t surprised, confused, and frustrated by their immediate rejection of what they had asked for—especially when they offered no reasonable explanation for doing so, if they offered one at all. And they didn’t simply say, “One either believes these visions and dictations came from Jesus or they don’t. You do. We don’t.” Instead, they became irrationally riled:
  • personal attacks against me, without basis
  • baseless accusations against Maria Valtorta—claiming mental illness without any medical evidence
  • refusing objectivity, searching only for critics and ignoring primary sources
  • twisting our words, both hers and mine
But their attempts to discredit Maria Valtorta and detour others from her were embers compared to the blazing flame of holy peace, joy, love, and wisdom I received from God in the words I read. And God won out. I've continued to read and have discovered more of her inspired writings, quote them alongside Scripture when applicable, leave each person free to do with it what they will, and familiarize myself with both her critics and her supporters.

Here I am, twelve years into this online ministry—unmarried, childless, and therefore free to devote myself to this work. It often feels like traversing a desert, where the rare oasis—such as @St. SteVen, @quietthinker, and others—appears only occasionally, yet refreshes the soul when it does.

A few days ago, I prayed to Jesus: “I only want to do Your will. If You want me to continue what I’ve been doing, please give me a sign I will understand.”

The very next day, while spending time with my sister, I asked her—completely unprompted—“Do you think I’m meant to be doing what I’ve been doing? I feel that I am.” She replied, “It’s funny you should ask. I was just thinking the other day that you are—and that if the Lord wanted something different for you, He would let you know.” That’s when I told her what I had said to Jesus, and I recognized her response as an answer to my prayer.

So, if I have an "obsession" with anything, it is with doing His will.

Where, then, do we draw the line on obsessiveness for God?

If responding to people's many questions by quoting passages from inspired writings—Scripture, God Calling, The Poem of the Man-God (also known as The Gospel as Revealed to Me), and others—in the hope of drawing their souls closer to God is considered “too much,” then what do we make of the lengths to which the first Christians went for God? They traveled the world on foot, wrote down and copied Jesus’ words by hand when they weren’t proclaiming them aloud, and did so under threats of brutal torture and death—threats that, for many, became reality.

The only forms of persecution that apply to my mode of ministry are typed personal attacks, censorship, and banning—and I have experienced all three, because:
  • I'm a Catholic
  • Maria Valtorta was a Catholic
  • It is assumed that God does not grant visions or dictations outside those mentioned in the canon
These reactions often seem less about the content itself and more about a prejudice against anything associated with Catholic spirituality or Catholic visionaries and mystics. But disagreement with Catholic theology is not a justification for hostility toward Catholics, nor for dismissing something solely because a Catholic is affiliated with it.

Remember, too, that God is a living being—eternal, personal, and active. His knowledge, His speech, His illumination, and His works are not confined to a fixed number of books, to certain groups of people, or a single historical moment. The canon is complete, but God—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—is not silent, nor limited in ability to enlighten souls in any age.

Therefore, do not be so quick or so confident in dismissing any private revelation. The question is not whether God can speak—of course He can—but whether He has spoken in a given instance. And all that you do must be done in love, including discernment (1 Corinthians 16:14). For if you do not discern with love, then God Who is love, as John says, does not abide in you; and if He does not abide in you, then the One who gives wisdom, knowledge, and understanding cannot illuminate your discernment. And if He does not illuminate you, then you cannot recognize His presence—or His absence—in anything you examine (Proverbs 2:6; 1 John 4:7-8).

"But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceful, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." (James 3:17)

None of us should commit the sin against love for any reason, including disagreement.

The bottom line is that you believe Jesus spoke to some lady in the 40's and 50's.
I don't believe that.
 

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Then why do we find verses from Scripture telling us that not ALL mankind would be glorified through salvation? Many have already died in unbelief, so clearly "all" is not without exception, but "all" according to faith without distinction of Jew or Gentile.
All three views of the final judgement are contradictory.
If you believe in damnationism, annihilationism is contradictory.
Either the wicked are tormented forever, or they are destroyed.
That's a contradiction. Why don't you have a problem with that?

You haven't proven that all Gentiles who do good deeds according to natural conscience have been predestined to glory!
I have proven that those without the law will be judged according to their works.
Rather than automatically condemned.
 

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The bottom line is that you believe Jesus spoke to some lady in the 40's and 50's.
I don't believe that.
Why would you believe that is outlandish?
Doesn't Jesus speak anymore?
If He doesn't speak to you, can you really claim to be one of His own?