Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

[amigo de christo]

Everyone can not be as “all knowing” as you think you are.

I have no issue with @rebuilder 454… or end of days tribulations from Heaven.

the problem with many is they have absolutely no problem with folks that DO twist the scrips .
THEY seem rather to have a problem with those who CORRECTLY USE SCRIPTURE to SUPPORT SCRIPTURE
and not rather use scripture to support what MEN say .
This is something we all better pray on , ponder on and if any be connected to it , FLEE IT .
Time to stop following men that use scrip and only know enough scrip to make themselves a danger TO THEMSELVES
and all who sit under them .
This is a plea and a reminder . OH yeah ITS BIBLE TIME for all .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually…the Numbers of Clean KINDS of Animals IS expressly signifiant, in parallel to the Next Great Tribulation.

LOL. No, it is not. That's utter nonsense. But, thanks for proving yet again that you are not to be "Taken" seriously.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

this other fellar or fellow has no idea what he speaks about .
BRIDES . as if one is a gentile bride and the o ther a jewish bride .
HOW ABOUT ONE BRIDE . HOW about ONE KINGDOM . AND ITS ALL OF GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST
and consists of every BELEIVING IN CHRIST jew or gentile . Just a friendly reminder .
Heck not even all of israel IS OF ISRAEL .
THOSE OF CHRIST , THEY ARE OF THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD , TRUE HEAVENLY JERSUALEM OF GOD .
TRUE HEAVENLY MOUNT ZION OF GOD . WHERein the temple is not made by hands BUT IS GOD AND THE LAMB .
This generation needs a heavy dose of some real BIBLE reading time my friend .

Absolutely right, bro. The amount of complete nonsense we see on this forum is truly unbelievable. Some of these people have literally no discernment whatsoever. Their doctrines are based on wild speculation and theories that they dream up in their imaginations. It's sad to witness.

 

[Taken]

LOL. No, it is not. That's utter nonsense. But, thanks for proving yet again that you are not to be "Taken" seriously.

Understanding Spiritual things always seems like nonsense to the Carnal thinker.

 

[WPM]

Tribulation ENDS at the 6th seal. Do you see in Matthew 24 where it says immediately after the tribulation of those days? That means that the tribulation is over. Do you see in Matthew 24 the that the tribulation is oven when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven?

Matthew 4
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Do you see when the 6th seal is opened that we have the sun and moon darkened and the stars falling from heaven? With a little deductive reasoning you should be able to conclude that the tribulation is over when the 6th seal is opened. After the tribulation is over the 7th seal will be opened, and the wrath of God will begin.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Hello! This passage describes the end of the world. You have no answer to that. You have to ignore the climactic detail and explain it away. This destroys your theology.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Scientists, you, me Can, Have Guessed and, ARE NOT Proving Anything!
It’s all “guesswork”….as I said.

God established “Kinds” of Animals to reproduce after their Same “Kind”….

So What, if my guessing, speculation is not the same as yours or others?
Yours and others guesswork is different then mine…

You say “millions”… I say God is Reasonable.
Managing Millions and Large animals with limited space and resources for a year by 4 men, on a boat no less, does not seem Reasonable to me.
My speculation, considered those things, so what?
How you speculated “millions” of Animals, just seems like a convenient guess, with no particular reasoning…so what?




The Truth of the number of animals on the Ark, is UNKNOWN…obviously, not important in the context of a man’s Salvation.

How or Why does, should, as you suggest Anyone Admit to being WRONG, when the Truth of the Number of Animals, has Not been Revealed by God?

Yes the number is unknown.
I never said any exact number.

What I am saying is that YOU came up with 500 for a reason.
I assume, to suggest, a one day loading.
I already debunked a one day loading.
Maybe you are still thinking hybrids that are mostly sterile populated the earth into thousands of species????? ( your "only 500 animals on the ship", claim that could never happen)

I have never thought or suggested millions of animals were on the ark.
Show me where I made that claim.

 

[rebuilder 454]

the problem with many is they have absolutely no problem with folks that DO twist the scrips .
THEY seem rather to have a problem with those who CORRECTLY USE SCRIPTURE to SUPPORT SCRIPTURE
and not rather use scripture to support what MEN say .
This is something we all better pray on , ponder on and if any be connected to it , FLEE IT .
Time to stop following men that use scrip and only know enough scrip to make themselves a danger TO THEMSELVES
and all who sit under them .
This is a plea and a reminder . OH yeah ITS BIBLE TIME for all .

Amen!
The bible rules!!!

 

[rebuilder 454]

this other fellar or fellow has no idea what he speaks about .
BRIDES . as if one is a gentile bride and the o ther a jewish bride .
HOW ABOUT ONE BRIDE . HOW about ONE KINGDOM . AND ITS ALL OF GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST
and consists of every BELEIVING IN CHRIST jew or gentile . Just a friendly reminder .
Heck not even all of israel IS OF ISRAEL .
THOSE OF CHRIST , THEY ARE OF THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD , TRUE HEAVENLY JERSUALEM OF GOD .
TRUE HEAVENLY MOUNT ZION OF GOD . WHERein the temple is not made by hands BUT IS GOD AND THE LAMB .
This generation needs a heavy dose of some real BIBLE reading time my friend .

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Zero.

 

[rebuilder 454]

the problem with many is they have absolutely no problem with folks that DO twist the scrips .
THEY seem rather to have a problem with those who CORRECTLY USE SCRIPTURE to SUPPORT SCRIPTURE
and not rather use scripture to support what MEN say .
This is something we all better pray on , ponder on and if any be connected to it , FLEE IT .
Time to stop following men that use scrip and only know enough scrip to make themselves a danger TO THEMSELVES
and all who sit under them .
This is a plea and a reminder . OH yeah ITS BIBLE TIME for all .

...and yet your Bible knowledge is pretty lacking.

 

[rebuilder 454]

this other fellar or fellow has no idea what he speaks about .
BRIDES . as if one is a gentile bride and the o ther a jewish bride .
HOW ABOUT ONE BRIDE . HOW about ONE KINGDOM . AND ITS ALL OF GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST
and consists of every BELEIVING IN CHRIST jew or gentile . Just a friendly reminder .
Heck not even all of israel IS OF ISRAEL .
THOSE OF CHRIST , THEY ARE OF THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD , TRUE HEAVENLY JERSUALEM OF GOD .
TRUE HEAVENLY MOUNT ZION OF GOD . WHERein the temple is not made by hands BUT IS GOD AND THE LAMB .
This generation needs a heavy dose of some real BIBLE reading time my friend .

What ever you do, don't venture into the "Kinsman redeemer."
That is part of typology.
It is not specifically stated IN THE BIBLE that Jesus is the kinsman redeemer.
We only know that through typology of Ruth.

Without that typology, you will never know what is going on in Rev 5.

Best to stay one dimensional and ignorant of the deeper truths?

 

[The Light]

I already debunked a one day loading.

How could you possibly think that you have debunked a one day loading? You can't be serious. When Word of God says on the selfsame day, Noah, his family and all of the animals loaded unto the ark, that is ONE DAY. Just because you do not have the faith to believe what is written, does not mean that you have debunked the Word of God.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

 

[The Light]

Hello! This passage describes the end of the world. You have no answer to that. You have to ignore the climactic detail and explain it away. This destroys your theology.

The passage describes the end of the great tribulation. This is the end of the age which occurs at the 6th seal. You seem to want to pretend that there is no 7th seal containing 7 trumpets and 7 vials of Gods wrath.

 

[The Light]

Yes…
the Tribulations:
Of those days…
the Tribulations :
Of the Lamb concluded…

And…what?
You don’t know…
The days of the Trump Judgements follows those days of the Lambs Wrath?

Those trumpets and vials ARE the wrath of the Lamb

Don't you realize that Jesus leads the armies of heaven on the Day of the Lord which is the 7th trumpet / 7th vial.

Jesus is the Lamb. How can Jesus lead the armies of heaven at Armageddon, and it not be the wrath of the Lamb?

And thereafter The Wrath of God, and the Vials of His Tribulations are Poured out.

You are mistaken… the Tribulations from Heaven are far from over after the wrath and Tribulations of the Lamb is concluded.

Glory to God,
Taken

You are making thinks up.

The great tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal exactly like the Word of God says. The wrath of God/the Lamb is the 7th seal.

How can you not understand that the great tribulation is when the Jews and Christians are hunted and killed?

Jesus returns at the 6th seal..........IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION...........then sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

After the marriage supper Jesus returns leading the armies of heaven at Armageddon.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Zero.

Says the guy who has absolutely no idea of what he is talking about.

 

[amigo de christo]

Says the guy who has absolutely no idea of what he is talking about.

They bait . for all they have are feelings and eomitoins , victim cards and accusations .
Do not let the blindness of this man wear you out or down .
SPeak and move . SPeak and move . I learned this a long time ago my friend .
SPeak the truth . correct them . HE who hears amen but he who rejects , YOU SHUDDER IN FEAR FOR THOSE
cause on the day of the LORD many will surely wail and they will wail and they will look
to their gods , their version of jesus , t heir inclusive religoin and its god to save them . BUT THEY WILL NOT
be saved or spared FROM THE WRATH of GOD and of the LAMB .
DO not retort back at them with insult . REbUKE them , YES .
And in case you are wondering you are talking to the man on this site that is perhaps
been put on ignore by far more than many have .
And i dont even fight and name call . THEY CANNOT RESIST the TRUTH .
WHEN TRUTH IS T OLD it bothers deeply their concious and they must flee and put one on ignore .
ITS those who fight with them and take their bait that they seem to keep on with , at least fora time anyway .
BUT i want you to go and PM most souls on this site . Ask them what do you all think about ol amigo .
be not suprised to hear , THAT FUNDMENTAL MONSTER we have on ignore . THEY CANNOT overcome teh TRUTH .
DO not fight and rail back on them . PRAY and speak the words of TRUTH and flood them with the simpliest of reminders
And it will be they WHO F LEE YOU .

 

[amigo de christo]

What ever you do, don't venture into the "Kinsman redeemer."
That is part of typology.
It is not specifically stated IN THE BIBLE that Jesus is the kinsman redeemer.
We only know that through typology of Ruth.

Without that typology, you will never know what is going on in Rev 5.

Best to stay one dimensional and ignorant of the deeper truths?

I see we have another word a t ypology or etc .
I have about zero idea of what most speak ab out .
B ut one thing i do know is , I AINT SEEING MUCH TRUTH coming from their lips .
I SEE lots of doctrines of men . I SEE that .
I see lots of dispensations this , lots of we got two brides and etc
But i just dont seem to see SIMPLE T RUTH . And there is real good reason
i dont see the simple truth in them but rather i see lots of highly intelletual , wise sounding folks
Who have much knowledge , who have learned much , but just cannot think or see clearly the most simple
basic truth ANY more . Now that my friend s hould terrify you .
Cause many there be who have been indocrinated by men and know only enough bible
to make themselves a dan ger to themselves and all who might dare to sit under and learn from them .

 

[amigo de christo]

Says the guy who has absolutely no idea of what he is talking about.

One thing is very clear and for sure and certain .
THis might very well be the most educated generation i have ever seen .
THEY have indeed learned much knowledge
and are e ver learning indeed .
THEY just dont seem to be able to COME TO THE TRUTH . Even the most simple basic TRUTH
they do wrest and change , o mit things . And thou gh they sound ever so wise
they have no idea that all they really do is cause the scrips to say something IT NEVER WAS MEANT TO MEAN .
IN fact its actually a lie . But as i said you cannot say they aint learned
you can only say THEY AINT LEARNED IN THE TRUTH OF GOD but rather what man says and calls is truth
and c liams is of GOD . And that my friend will not bode well for them at all .

 

[rebuilder 454]

Actually…the Numbers of Clean KINDS of Animals IS expressly signifiant, in parallel to the Next Great Tribulation.

As far as 7 being a significant number?

 

[rebuilder 454]

I see we have another word a t ypology or etc .
I have about zero idea of what most speak ab out .
B ut one thing i do know is , I AINT SEEING MUCH TRUTH coming from their lips .
I SEE lots of doctrines of men . I SEE that .
I see lots of dispensations this , lots of we got two brides and etc
But i just dont seem to see SIMPLE T RUTH . And there is real good reason
i dont see the simple truth in them but rather i see lots of highly intelletual , wise sounding folks
Who have much knowledge , who have learned much , but just cannot think or see clearly the most simple
basic truth ANY more . Now that my friend s hould terrify you .
Cause many there be who have been indocrinated by men and know only enough bible
to make themselves a dan ger to themselves and all who might dare to sit under and learn from them .

No
We don't got any 2 brides.
Maybe you better not venture into any MEANING of what the parables mean, or the types in the Old Testament.

A marriage is a covenant between 2 people.
The bride of Christ is those that belong to Jesus.

1. Luke 5:34
   And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Luke 5:35
   But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

2 cor 11
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Is that evil also?




Why are things in the O T as typology?
Is God himself way off for putting typology in the bible?
Who are you to forbid and call evil what God does?????
The book of Hebrews is loaded with typology.
Is that book evil?

Seems that passages you do not know, you call anyone that studies them evil.

Maybe it is you we need to run from.

 

[amigo de christo]

No
We don't got any 2 brides.
Maybe you better not venture into any MEANING of what the parables mean, or the types in the Old Testament.

A marriage is a covenant between 2 people.
The bride of Christ is those that belong to Jesus.

1. Luke 5:34
   And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Luke 5:35
   But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

2 cor 11
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Is that evil also?




Why are things in the O T as typology?
Is God himself way off for putting typology in the bible?
Who are you to forbid and call evil what God does?????
The book of Hebrews is loaded with typology.
Is that book evil?

Seems that passages you do not know, you call anyone that studies them evil.

Maybe it is you we need to run from.

i never said there was TWO brides . ONLY that others t each such a thing .
These lost souls actually beleive there is a kingdom of GOD , another of heaven , and etc .
NOPE same KINGDOM as yes IT IS ALL ABOUT those who BLEIEVE ON JESUS .
Every jew and every gentile WILL WAIL ON JESUS day WHO DENIED HE IS CHRIST .
Their flesh cannot save them . Being of the lineage of abraham cannot save them . ONL Y JESUS CAN SAVE THEM
and THE GENTILE . i hope you UNDERSTAND that .