When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

[William Barton]

Aunty Jane asked: <Why wasn't it God's bosom?>

God is invisible, hard to find.

 

[Davy]

God is not... hard to find, for those who look for Him.

Acts 17:27-31
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us:

28 For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.
KJV

 

[William Barton]

The city he awaited was going to rule from heaven…

Heb 12:22-23…
“But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels 23  in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect”.

“Heavenly Jerusalem” is the one God promised….the place where angels reside…..literal Jerusalem is no longer featured in God’s purpose….neither are literal Israel, who have not accepted Christ as Messiah today any more than they did back in the first century. It is a requirement for salvation.
“The congregation of the firstborn…have been enrolled in heaven”….disciples of Christ who have been “made perfect”.

Heavenly Jerusalem is in the new heavens and earth (Revelation 21:10).

 

[William Barton]

The fact that demon-possession was introduced during Jesus' lifetime and never in the OT, tells us that the fallen angels, the minions of Satan, were cast down to earth not long after Jesus' birth.

Prophetic Scripture reveals this.

No other 'interpretation" can change what Scripture teaches.

Satan possessed the serpent and deceived Eve (Genesis chapter 3).

 

[Gray_Joy]

The 1st thing to understand, is that the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels, did NOT... happen back in history. It is an event still future to us today. We only need to read that prophecy as written to know this...

Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That idea that Satan and his angel's place will no more be found in the heavenly dimension once that heavenly war happens, is an eye opener showing many doctrines of men about this are simply junk, and made up.

There are only TWO different dimensions of existence written of in all of God's Word, the Heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including where Satan and his angel's place is, and then this earthly dimension in which we live in. The sky atmosphere around the earth, which some confuse because God's Word also refers to it as a heaven, is actually part of our earthly material dimension.

When that Revelation 12:7-8 Scripture says no more place 'in heaven' will be found for Satan and his angels after that war in heaven, it means exactly that. During this present world time Satan is allowed to roam up and down, and in the earth, like he answered God in the Book of Job when God asked him what he'd been up to. And Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 warned us that Satan still roams about today like a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

But after this war in Heaven, Satan will no longer be allowed to approach God's Throne and accuse us before God. He simply won't be allowed there in Heaven. That means only one other... place he can come, and that is here, on earth, in our earthly dimension, and in plain sight. That is something the world is not prepared for, including most brethren in today's Church.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That especially is about the persecution during the coming tribulation by Satan and his of Christ's very elect who are to give a TESTIMONY against the beast at the end of this world. Some of us will be delivered up to give that TESTIMONY by The Holy Spirit like Jesus forewarned in Mark 13. We will overcome Satan and his host on earth by The Blood of The Lamb, Jesus Christ, not loving our lives even to the death, if it comes to that.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

That "short time" the devil knows he has is about the latter day "great tribulation" at the end of this present world. Satan will be given to reign over all nations on earth for a period of 42 months, per the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This symbolic "woman" represents BOTH 'houses' of Israel, the "house of Judah" (Jews), and the "house of Israel" (ten lost tribes of Israel). Don't be concerned with those who go against that, because they don't study their Old Testament histories, which the subject about the two separate 'houses' of Israel is written all throughout The Old Testament Scriptures, and even in some places in The New Testament that quotes The Old Testament, like in Hebrews 8 and Hebrews 10.

That "a time, and times, and half a time" is equal to the 1260 days at the end, per the Book of Daniel, and per God's two witnesses that are to appear in Jerusalem at the end, per Revelation 11. It is equivalent to the 42 months reign by Satan and his host at the end.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

That's a metaphor used by our Lord Jesus Christ. That shows we are to grasp a deeper meaning behind the giving of that, which is how all metaphors, allegories, and parables work.

Why did Lord Jesus use the time of the flood in Noah's day as symbolic for all this working by that old serpent the devil? It is because like Jesus said in Matthew 24, that He shortened the time of the coming tribulation at the end of this world, for His elect's sake. The original prophecy says it will last 1260 days, or 42 months. Jesus changed that. What to?

If you go back into Genesis and look at the actual amount of time that the ark of Noah was upon the 'height' of flood waters, you will notice it was a total of 150 days. Per the old Hebrew calendar of 30 days a month, that 150 days equals a period of "five months". And "five months" is how long the symbolic 'stinging' by the locusts in Revelation 9 is to last upon the deceived. Truly, Lord Jesus has told us all things. We just have to pay attention. Jesus used here the flood waters of Noah's day to represent the LIES to cause deception out of the serpent's mouth, which is a type of attack upon God's people at the end. The time that Noah's ark was upon the 'height' of flood waters represents that 1260 days shortened to "five months."

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Beware of the Pre-tribbers who reject the above being about Christ's Church also. They reject it because of the lie they are taught by charlatans that they will be raptured prior to these tribulation events at the end. Jesus showed His coming to gather His saints will be after... the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27).

Thus the main idea in this latter section of Revelation 12 after the war in Heaven, is that Satan is coming to OUR world, in plain sight, with his angels. Those of us alive then will see him on earth. Even per God's parable in Ezekiel 28, Satan's future destruction will happen ON EARTH. Those who try to convince brethren that Satan was bound at Jesus' cross omit many of these prophecies about the very end, so you will be in danger if you heed those doctrines of men. Stay in God's Word. Check everything out in God's written Word.

Continued...

If,as you imply in referring to the Revelation 12:7 verse is true, Satan isn't yet cast from Heaven,wouldn't you then be saying all that Lucifer ,who still lives in Heaven, has done on Earth thus far is under God's directive?

How do you explain God making Lucifer lord,prince,of the Earth? If he still lives in Heaven with God as his adversary.

 

[Davy]

If,as you imply in referring to the Revelation 12:7 verse is true, Satan isn't yet cast from Heaven,wouldn't you then be saying all that Lucifer ,who still lives in Heaven, has done on Earth thus far is under God's directive?

That's multiple questions.

1. Was Satan cast from Heaven in the time of his testing of Job? No. And the time of Job was long after Satan had originally rebelled and had fallen as lightning from heaven. That must be understood by The Holy Spirit and not by our flesh. The heavenly dimension simply is where Satan's home has always been, and still is today, for he is a cherub, not flesh-born. This is Bible 101.

2. Is God directing or using Satan? YES! Isaiah 10 with God using "the Assyrian" as a type for Satan hints that when He is done with using Satan, that He is going to destroy him. Afterall, God has already sentenced Satan (or Lucifer) to perish (Isaiah 30-33; Matthew 25:41).

How do you explain God making Lucifer lord,prince,of the Earth? If he still lives in Heaven with God as his adversary.

Was Satan able to go back and forth walking up and down the earth when he appeared before God's Throne and God asked him what he'd been doing? See Job 1.

Going Deeper:
This matter requires that one understands the two separate dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, and the nature of each realm.

Many pastors don't fully understand it, and some try to assign flesh materialism to the heavenly realm. Can't do that. This earthly realm involves material matter. The heavenly realm involves Spirit. Those are two different things. God's Word reveals that our spirit and soul are of the heavenly realm, and our flesh body is of the earthly realm. This is what Lord Jesus was saying in John 3:6 with that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit.

Now the heavenly realm is just as real as our earthly dimension, even the more real since God's creation originated from His Spoken Word in the Heavenly realm. The angels are heavenly created beings with no flesh, same for Satan and his angels. Yet angels can appear on earth without the need of being born in the flesh. They can operate and appear in our earthly material dimension.

Many miss when God's Word speaks of Lucifer's original rebellion involving his drawing one third of the angels to earth with him, and his setting up a previous 'beast' kingdom (on earth) that HAD... ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns. God's Word mentions his reign over nations upon the earth in that time, back in the 1st earth age which God ended because of Lucifer's rebellion in coveting God's Throne which was his job to guard (parable of Ezek.28). That previous world was an angelic earth age. God and the angels dwelt here, on earth. Genesis 2 with God's Garden of Eden and His River of the waters of life here on earth reveals this. What this means is that heavenly beings can dwell and live upon this earth. This is how in the world to come, none of us will need flesh bodies anymore. We will manifest in our spiritual body, which is a heavenly body, even the "image of the heavenly" is what Apostle Paul called it in 1 Cor.15.

But when Satan and his angels are cast out of the heavenly dimension per the coming war of Rev.12:7 forward, that means Satan and his are coming to our earthly dimension to dwell on earth, and won't be allowed back in heaven. Satan will then no longer be able to appear before God's throne to accuse us, and he will eventually be destroyed upon this earth by the brightness of Christ's future return. But before his destruction with Christ's future return, Satan will setup another attempt at an earthly beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, but TEN CROWNS this next time at the end of this world. God is allowing this and will use it as a pruning to see whether we listen to Him in His Word, or to men.

 

[William Barton]

The fact that demon-possession was introduced during Jesus' lifetime and never in the OT, tells us that the fallen angels, the minions of Satan, were cast down to earth not long after Jesus' birth.

Prophetic Scripture reveals this.

No other 'interpretation" can change what Scripture teaches.

o. Satan was cast down in the early history of the earth, and he tempted Eve to sin (Genesis 3:1-7, Revelation 20:1-3).

o. Satan currently roams the earth (1Peter 5:8).

 

[shepherdsword]

I see three options for when Satan was cast out of heaven (depending on your eschatological view)

1) His original fall (I lean towards this)
2)When Jesus went into the true Holy of Holies and offered up His own Blood
3)Right after the antichrist commits the abomination of desolation

 

[Gray_Joy]

For me,if we believe Lucifer still resides in Heaven with God,makes God appear complicit in all the evil Lucifer does .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I see three options for when Satan was cast out of heaven (depending on your eschatological view)

1) His original fall (I lean towards this)

The problem with this view is that the book of Job shows Satan appearing before God in heaven well after his original fall.

2)When Jesus went into the true Holy of Holies and offered up His own Blood

I believe this is clearly the best option because it talks about Satan having accused believers before God before being cast out and no one can accuse believers before God anymore because of what Christ accomplished (Romans 8:33).

3)Right after the antichrist commits the abomination of desolation

I can't take this option seriously.

 

[Davy]

For me,if we believe Lucifer still resides in Heaven with God,makes God appear complicit in all the evil Lucifer does .

Is that the way it is here on earth too, that there can not exist any 'good' people because evil people exist here on earth? The Heavenly dimension is no different, God's Word tells us of places of separation in the heavenly apart from Him and His host vs. Satan and his abode and the wicked dead in hell. Jesus even showed us that 'hell' (Hades), the abode of the wicked is in Paradise, but across a great fixed gulf from where Abraham is on the other side.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Is that the way it is here on earth too, that there can not exist any 'good' people because evil people exist here on earth? The Heavenly dimension is no different, God's Word tells us of places of separation in the heavenly apart from Him and His host vs. Satan and his abode and the wicked dead in hell. Jesus even showed us that 'hell' (Hades), the abode of the wicked is in Paradise, but across a great fixed gulf from where Abraham is on the other side.

I appreciate your opinion there.
I see Earth's culture as unrelated to Heaven'.

I see it as Judicial symmetry. Heaven gives blessings. Hell gives condemnation and suffering.
Heaven brings us into the presence of God. Hell insures eternal separation.
Heaven extols the virtues of peace,holy light, and mercies.
Hell is a culture of darkness, wrath and deceit.

 

[Davy]

I appreciate your opinion there.
I see Earth's culture as unrelated to Heaven'.

I see it as Judicial symmetry. Heaven gives blessings. Hell gives condemnation and suffering.
Heaven brings us into the presence of God. Hell insures eternal separation.
Heaven extols the virtues of peace,holy light, and mercies.
Hell is a culture of darkness, wrath and deceit.

You will eventually learn that Heaven and hell are 'real' places, and not some philosophical construct.

These aliens that Satan's representatives here on earth today are preparing the world to accept are not aliens, as there is no such thing. They are angelic beings that dwell in the heavenly realm. They are able to manifest in both our earthly realm, and in the heavenly realm, going back and forth at will. They are not monsters. Nor are they just a figment of one's imagination. Understanding this is a requirement of belief of The Bible. We cannot just slice n' dice The Bible up into parts we want and parts we don't want.

 

[Gray_Joy]

You will eventually learn that Heaven and hell are 'real' places, and not some philosophical construct.

These aliens that Satan's representatives here on earth today are preparing the world to accept are not aliens, as there is no such thing. They are angelic beings that dwell in the heavenly realm. They are able to manifest in both our earthly realm, and in the heavenly realm, going back and forth at will. They are not monsters. Nor are they just a figment of one's imagination. Understanding this is a requirement of belief of The Bible. We cannot just slice n' dice The Bible up into parts we want and parts we don't want.

I think you presume quite a bit there.
I have not said I do not believe Heaven and Hell are a real place.
My prior post did not even imply such a thing.

I think you're mistaken in your reply and meant it for someone else.

 

[Davy]

I think you presume quite a bit there.
I have not said I do not believe Heaven and Hell are a real place.
My prior post did not even imply such a thing.

I think you're mistaken in your reply and meant it for someone else.

I'll do this then, just so you know my line of thinking based on your choice of words...

You said:

I see Earth's culture as unrelated to Heaven'.​

​

I see it as Judicial symmetry. Heaven gives blessings. Hell gives condemnation and suffering.​

Heaven brings us into the presence of God. Hell insures eternal separation.​

Heaven extols the virtues of peace,holy light, and mercies.​

Hell is a culture of darkness, wrath and deceit.​

Those underlined areas are philosophical speech. The word 'culture' can be interpreted many different ways. The phrase 'Judicial symmetry', that I don't what is in relation to God's Word. Heaven does not necessarily bring us into the presence of God, because the abode of the wicked called Hades (or hell) is in... the heavenly dimension also, across the great fixed gulf of Paradise which Jesus revealed in Luke 16. The preaching and hearing of God's Word is what brings us to God through His Son Jesus Christ. And for wrath, God has His Wrath too, upon the rebellious and wicked, as it is on earth as also in Heaven.

 

[Gray_Joy]

I'll do this then, just so you know my line of thinking based on your choice of words...

You said:

I see Earth's culture as unrelated to Heaven'.​

​

I see it as Judicial symmetry. Heaven gives blessings. Hell gives condemnation and suffering.​

Heaven brings us into the presence of God. Hell insures eternal separation.​

Heaven extols the virtues of peace,holy light, and mercies.​

Hell is a culture of darkness, wrath and deceit.​

Those underlined areas are philosophical speech. The word 'culture' can be interpreted many different ways. The phrase 'Judicial symmetry', that I don't what is in relation to God's Word. Heaven does not necessarily bring us into the presence of God, because the abode of the wicked called Hades (or hell) is in... the heavenly dimension also, across the great fixed gulf of Paradise which Jesus revealed in Luke 16. The preaching and hearing of God's Word is what brings us to God through His Son Jesus Christ. And for wrath, God has His Wrath too, upon the rebellious and wicked, as it is on earth as also in Heaven.

I appreciate your effort to clarify your prior opinion of my thoughts.

It appears you have a different ideology as pertains to the teachings of Jesus than what is my own understanding.
It is insurmountable. Because Jesus did not tell us Heaven and Hell are in the same realm.
Heaven is described in Matthew 6

And Hell is the abode of the unrighteous. Luke 16.

I know God will guide you in good time.

May his peace find you.

 

[William Barton]

I see three options for when Satan was cast out of heaven (depending on your eschatological view)

1) His original fall (I lean towards this)
2)When Jesus went into the true Holy of Holies and offered up His own Blood
3)Right after the antichrist commits the abomination of desolation

o. Satan has been here many years.
o. See Ezekiel 28:16.
o. See also Isaiah 14:12.
o. "Cast down from heaven" IMO occurred soon after earth's creation.

 

[Davy]

It appears you have a different ideology as pertains to the teachings of Jesus than what is my own understanding.
It is insurmountable. Because Jesus did not tell us Heaven and Hell are in the same realm.
Heaven is described in Matthew 6

Well, yes Jesus did reveal that heaven and hell are in the same realm. That's what He was doing in Luke 16 with describing Paradise. Both Lazarus and the rich man had died with their flesh buried, so it was their 'spirit' that Jesus was describing which was taken by angels to Paradise. Therefore, we know He was speaking of the heavenly realm.