Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

I'm thinking they were PROBABLY "ESSENES!" In other words? "ADVOCATES FOR GOD THE FATHER!"

You’re equating “Essenes” with “Advocates for God the Father.”

Do you call yourself an Essene? Do you think @Wrangler and / or @Armour of God identify themselves as Essenes?

I’m an advocate for God the Father but I’m absolutely not an Essene.

Though they have some things in common, their teaching and practice clashes with the teaching and practice of Jesus and the apostles.

 

[Matthias]

Spurgeon is one of my favorite Christian authors …

”The true value of a sermon must lie, not in its fashion and manner, but in the truth which it contains.” - C.H. Spurgeon

”You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” - you

If Spurgeon had ever seen or heard your teaching presented in a sermon, he would have adamantly denied it is the truth.

@Armour of God @NayborBear

 

[Wrangler]

Yet? You are STILL Throwing Jesus and the apostles heavenly Father "Under the bus" at EVERY turn!
Just as ALL the authors from ALL these books (can you even THINK "traditions of man" here?) in theirs and yours CONTINUED RELENTLESS degradation's of not only WHAT GOD the FATHER DID? But even the "WHY HE DID IT THE WAY HE DID!"
So as you keep insisting that ones' such as Armour of GOD, and Wrangler, and I, are playing "devil's advocates?"
None of "yours", and ESPECIALLY all the authors of all these books fail COMPLETELY, save for the "gaslighting effect", in even SLIGHTLY giving any credit, let alone homage, to those "advocates of GOD the FATHER!

He doesn't realize his moral poles are reversed; we are playing God's advocate; it is him who is advocating for the devil.

Your point about his throwing Jesus, the apostles and our Heavenly Father under the bus at every turn is spot on. He has no rational response to Ps 110:1, which is why you reference it frequently. "Yea but" defense is not compelling.

My favorite part is how he constantly pretends Jesus is the ultimate pacifist while actually being the one to kill more people than anyone else in history (Judgment Day ≠ Pacifism in motion).

 

[Matthias]

He doesn't realize his moral poles are reversed; we are playing God's advocate; it is him who is advocating for the devil.

I’m sure the devil would be delighted for the followers of Jesus to kill one another, as well as killing those who are not followers of Jesus. You counsel the followers of Jesus to do both. I don’t know if you realize it or not but that aligns you with the devil, not Jesus.

My advocacy is for the teaching and practice of Jesus and the apostles. @NayborBear has acknowledged that on several occasions. He doesn’t know about my advocacy for the Father. You do. And so do many other members of CB. All it takes to confirm it is a brief review of my posts and threads.

Your point about his throwing Jesus, the apostles and our Heavenly Father under the bus at every turn is spot on.

If true that would make me an enemy of God and of the Messiah; an unbeliever. At least for now, he denies treating me as an unbeliever. Time will tell if he changes his mind about that.

He has no rational response to Ps 110:1, which is why you reference it frequently. "Yea but" defense is not compelling.

Psalm 110:1 is the most frequently quoted or alluded to OT text in the NT. It is the underpinning for my theology. It may be that I‘ve written more about that verse on this forum than I have about any other passage of scripture. Again, you know that but he doesn’t.

My favorite part is how he constantly pretends Jesus is the ultimate pacifist while actually being the one to kill more people than anyone else in history (Judgment Day ≠ Pacifism in motion).

I haven’t pretended anything for any length of time. Jesus didn’t kill or physically harm his enemies during the time of his earthly ministry. They physically harmed and killed him.

You’re speaking about Jesus in the past tense, as if has literally already killed his enemies. He hasn’t.

Presently the one who is responsible for killing more people than anyone else in history is Mao Zedong.

 

[Matthias]

He doesn't realize …

How long will it take @NayborBear to realize that, while you loved his post, you glossed over his make or break Essene argument? Why did you do that? (He won’t ask you, so I am.)

 

[Matthias]

Your point about his throwing Jesus, the apostles and our Heavenly Father under the bus at every turn is spot on.

That wasn’t his point. That’s either you misreading what he wrote or you reading what you believe and want to see into what he wrote.

Here is what @NayborBear actually wrote -

“You are STILL Throwing Jesus and the apostles heavenly Father ‘Under the bus’ at EVERY turn!”

He didn’t say I was throwing Jesus and the apostles under the bus. That would flatly contradict what he wrote some days ago.

He didn’t say I was throwing “Jesus, the apostles and our heavenly Father” under the bus. That too would flatly contradict what he has previously said.

He said that I was throwing their heavenly Father under the bus. That is wholly consistent with what he wrote earlier in our conversation.

Now, if he wants to amend what he said after reading your post, he can do that. If that’s what he chooses to do, then I’ll have something more to say to him about his previous position. Unless or until he does, I don’t have anything further to add to what I already said to him.