Will a Third Temple Be Rebuilt?

[Jack]

God bless Israel in the Land of the Bible! And He will again and again ...

 

[TribulationSigns]

“Show me the scripture”

Literally showed you the scripture concerning the DoTL (staff edited)

You may have quoted Malachi 4:5, but that does not mean you have understood what the passage is teaching. I already addressed and refuted that interpretation in my earlier post. If you disagree, please respond to the biblical points I raised rather than merely repeating the verse.

 

[Davidpt]

Are these guys credible? It seems to be starting with the suggestion that a synagogue be placed on the temple mount.

What do you think? @WPM @Spiritual Israelite @Davidpt @Marty fox @Davy @WalterandDebbie @Marilyn C @Anchorite @ScottA

If a third temple is rebuilt how will it effect your eschatology?

For all we know, Jesus could return within the next 5 years. Therefore, you would think if a literal rebuilt temple is involved before He can return, that someone would have rebuilt it by now. There has been talk of rebuilding the temple for decades now.

 

[Douggg]

For all we know, Jesus could return within the next 5 years. Therefore, you would think if a literal rebuilt temple is involved before He can return, that someone would have rebuilt it by now. There has been talk of rebuilding the temple for decades now.

Jesus does not return until 7 years after the Gog/Magog event.

The temple cannot be rebuilt until two present obstacles are removed. 1. the muslim restrictions concerning temple mount activities. 2. the dome of the rock is where the temple once stood.

Both those obstacles will be removed when the Gog/Magog event takes place.

 

[Douggg]

If a third temple is rebuilt how will it effect your eschatology?

A third temple built is critical for eschatology. The Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4 in the third temple. Shortly followed by the abomination of desolation statue image placed on the temple mount (mount Moriah) in the temple courtyard.

 

[Jay Ross]

A third temple built is critical for eschatology.

A physical structure which can be called a temple is not required as the temple in the future will be made up spiritually from all of the Saints who will come together to worship God during Eternity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A third temple built is critical for eschatology. The Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4 in the third temple. Shortly followed by the abomination of desolation statue image placed on the temple mount (mount Moriah) in the temple courtyard.

It's not possible for a future physical temple to be God's temple. You need to give up on this fairy tale. The two physical temples of God in the past were ones that He ordained and would come and visit His people in. The temple of God now is the church (Ephesians 2:19-22, 2 Corinthians 6:16) and that's where He dwells. He does not dwell in temples made with hands (Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24). The temple that you're talking about, which may or may not ever be built (it has major obstacles for being built), cannot possibly be a temple that God has ordained and would dwell in because it would be made by antichrists who deny that Jesus is the Christ.

 

[covenantee]

A third temple built is critical for eschatology. The Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4 in the third temple. Shortly followed by the abomination of desolation statue image placed on the temple mount (mount Moriah) in the temple courtyard.

Critical for your eschatology. Not for Paul's or the Holy Spirit's who inspired him.

Paul is rigorous and consistent in his identification of and distinction between the different temples.

Paul's "naos" temples refer exclusively to NT believers; collectively, the NT Church.

Paul's temples:

"naos" spiritual:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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Ephesians 2:21-22
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
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22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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"eidóleion" physical:

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
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"hieros/hieron" physical:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
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[TribulationSigns]

A third temple built is critical for eschatology.ff

Wrongo! The third temple is not "critical for eschatology"; it is critical for your flawed dispensational/premillennialism. There is a difference!

The problem is that Scripture never plainly teaches the rebuilding of a third temple as an end-times necessity. The doctrine is treated as a certainty, yet its advocates cannot produce a verse that explicitly states it. Instead, they build an entire prophetic system on assumptions and then declare those assumptions to be biblical truth.

If your theology collapses without a third temple that Scripture never clearly predicts, perhaps the problem is not with Scripture but with the theology...and your charts! Yep!

The Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4 in the third temple.

The Bible does not teach that there will be a single end-times individual called "the Antichrist" who enters a future third temple and commits the abomination of desolation. That idea comes from modern premillennial speculation, not from the actual text of Scripture.

The term "antichrist" is used by John, and he explicitly states that many antichrists had already come (1 John 2:18), not one future world ruler. Furthermore, Paul's "man of sin," Daniel's "little horn," John's "beast," and John's "antichrist" are never identified as the same individual anywhere in Scripture. That connection is an assumption imposed on the text rather than something taught by it.

The claim that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 requires a future third temple is equally unsupported. Scripture never says a third temple must be rebuilt for this prophecy to be fulfilled. Such assertions are products of a particular prophetic system, not clear biblical teaching.

It is important to distinguish between what the Bible actually says and what later theological traditions have added to it.

Shortly followed by the abomination of desolation statue image placed on the temple mount (mount Moriah) in the temple courtyard.

"Abomination of desolation statue"? Where exactly does Daniel say anything about a statue being placed on the temple mount?

What you're doing is taking Daniel's "abomination of desolation" and John's "image of the beast" in Revelation 13, assuming they are the same event, then further assuming the image is a literal statue in a future temple courtyard. None of those connections are stated in the text. They are layers of interpretation piled on top of each other and then presented as if they were biblical facts.

This is a recurring problem with premillennial prophecy systems: speculation becomes doctrine. The Bible says "abomination of desolation." It does not say "statue." It does not say "temple courtyard." It does not say "Temple Mount." And it certainly does not explain Revelation's image of the beast as a statue standing in a future third temple.

Before making such dogmatic claims, it would be wise to show the actual verses that teach them rather than importing assumptions into the text and calling them prophecy.

 

[Douggg]

A physical structure which can be called a temple is not required as the temple in the future will be made up spiritually from all of the Saints who will come together to worship God during Eternity.

A physical temple is required to be built on the temple mount - which the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4 in the third temple. Shortly followed by the abomination of desolation statue image placed on the temple mount (mount Moriah) in the temple courtyard.

 

[Brakelite]

Who else would the Jews dedicate the temple to ?

On what grounds would God accept it?

 

[Douggg]

On what grounds would God accept it?

It will show the Jews' desire to worship and praise God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who else would the Jews dedicate the temple to ?

How can Jews who reject Christ, and therefore reject God the Father as well, dedicate a temple to the one true God when they don't believe in Him?

John 5:23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 8:19 "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

John 15:23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.

 

[Douggg]

How can Jews who reject Christ, and therefore reject God the Father as well, dedicate a temple to the one true God when they don't believe in Him?

The Jews presently don't understand the trinity.

But they do desire to worship and praise God as they currently understand God to be. The Jews refer to God as "Hashem".

 

[PeterAndroz]

The Jews presently don't understand the trinity.

But they do desire to worship and praise God as they currently understand God to be. The Jews refer to God as "Hashem".

For those who are uncomfortable with the tag 'trinity', I find the following makes them more at ease :-
- The Father
- The HS
- The Son - in some intelligent 'form'
Pre-existed Gen 1:1 & John 1:1

 

[Douggg]

"Abomination of desolation statue"? Where exactly does Daniel say anything about a statue being placed on the temple mount?

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

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Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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It is not known how big the statue image will be, but probably will be large to be visible from the surrounding hills in Jerusalem, like from Mount Sinai. The temple location is on Mount Moriah, slightly lower in elevation.

The statue image will become indwelt by Satan, making it appear to come to life and speak. Revelation 13:15.

 

[Brakelite]

My eschatology doesn't include a third temple. Whether it's built or not won't matter.
The Temple of God that Paul references within which the Antichrist sits pretending to be God (claiming prerogatives and authority belonging only to Him) has been under construction since the time of Christ. And Antichrist parked himself inside it in the 6th century, and has been fighting for recognition ever since. Soon, the false prophet, will give him the publicity, the honour, and the recognition he has been craving since before the world began.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[PeterAndroz]

My eschatology doesn't include a third temple. Whether it's built or not won't matter.
The Temple of God that Paul references within which the Antichrist sits pretending to be God (claiming prerogatives and authority belonging only to Him) has been under construction since the time of Christ. And Antichrist parked himself inside it in the 6th century, and has been fighting for recognition ever since. Soon, the false prophet, will give him the publicity, the honour, and the recognition he has been craving since before the world began.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

So before that happens, be sure to be part of :-
1 Thess 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Douggg]

"Abomination of desolation statue"? Where exactly does Daniel say anything about a statue being placed on the temple mount?

In Daniel 11:31, historically Anitochus IV placed a statue image of Zeus in the temple, which in that verse is referred to a the abomination that maketh desolate.

It was a preview that the end times abomination of desolation will be a statue image.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

 

[Brakelite]

It will show the Jews' desire to worship and praise God.

And God would accept that despite the Jews hatred for the only Way, the only Truth, and the only Life?