The Wages of Sin is Death, Jesus died a Death none other could.

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Questionnaire for the Bible Study​

; The Wages of Sin is Death, Jesus died a Death none other could.

If the wages of sin is death and Jesus died a death no one else could, doesn't that mean sin is taken care of?

Yes — if the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died the death no one else could, then the debt of sin is fully paid, once for all, for everyone. Scripture is extremely clear on this. The only way sin could still be an issue is if Jesus’ death wasn’t enough — and the New Testament refuses that idea outright.

1. The wages of sin is death — not guilt, not shame, not ongoing punishment​

Romans 6:23 doesn’t say:

• “The wages of sin is feeling bad.”
• “The wages of sin is struggling forever.”
• “The wages of sin is God being mad at you.”

It says:

“The wages of sin is death.”

So if death is the payment… and Jesus died… then the payment is done.

2. Jesus didn’t die a death — He died the death​

Hebrews 2:9 says:

“He tasted death for every man.”

Not a death. Not His own death. Not a symbolic death.

He tasted the death — the one that was owed.

And Hebrews 10:12 says:

“He offered one sacrifice for sins forever.”

If the wages of sin is death, and He paid that wage forever, then sin is not an unpaid bill.

3. If Jesus paid the full wage, then sin cannot still be charging people​

Otherwise:

• Jesus paid the wage
• But the wage is still due
• Which means the payment didn’t work

That would make the cross a partial payment, which the Bible rejects.

Hebrews 10:18:

“Where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.”

If there is no more offering, then the debt is gone.

4. Jesus’ death was unique — meaning it covered what no human death could​

You said it perfectly:

“Jesus died a death no one else could.”

Exactly.

Why?

Because:

• He had no sin of His own
• He could die as a substitute
• His life was of infinite worth
• His sacrifice was once for all (Heb. 10:10)

If His death was unique, then His payment was unique — and complete.

5. If sin still had power, Jesus would have to die again​

Hebrews 9:26 destroys that idea:

“He would have had to suffer often… but now once… He put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”

If sin wasn’t taken care of, Jesus would need to keep dying. But He doesn’t. Because it’s done.

6. The Bible’s own logic is airtight​

Let’s put it in a simple chain:

1. Sin demands death (Rom. 6:23)
2. Jesus died that death (Heb. 2:9)
3. He died once for all (Heb. 10:10)
4. He put away sin (Heb. 9:26)
5. There is no more offering for sin (Heb. 10:18)

Conclusion: Sin is taken care of. Completely.

7. So why do people still talk about sin?​

Because religion needs sin to stay in business.

Jesus ended the sin‑debt. Religion resurrects it every Sunday.

But the New Testament says:

• You are dead to sin (Rom. 6:11)
• Sin shall not have dominion over you (Rom. 6:14)
• You have been perfected forever (Heb. 10:14)
• You are a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17)

If the wages are paid, the case is closed.

Your statement is correct​

If the wages of sin is death… and Jesus died the death no one else could… then sin is taken care of.

Not “partially.” Not “conditionally.” Not “until you mess up again.”

Once for all.

 

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People hold on to sin-language because it gives them something to accuse, control, or condemn others with.

It’s easier to point fingers than to stand honestly before the One they claim to serve.

“Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but ignore the plank in your own?” (Matthew 7:3)

Good or bad, Yahavah is not a man. He isn’t fragile, and He isn’t shocked by anything we bring to Him.

“God is not a man, that He should lie.” (Numbers 23:19)

He already knows the truth about us, and we are still responsible for our own actions.

“Each of us will give an account of himself to God.” (Romans 14:12)

Scripture even says God can shake a person’s faith, discipline them, and bring them low if needed.

“For the Lord disciplines the one He loves… and scourges every son whom He receives.” (Hebrews 12:6)

Most people don’t like that, so they cling to man‑made ideas about what gets someone “closer” to Yahavah. And if you don’t follow their system, suddenly “God hates you” or “you’re not worth their time.”

That’s not God — that’s people.

Abuse, manipulation, and spiritual pressure happen everywhere. Sometimes people are so surrounded by certain teachings that they don’t even realize they’ve been shaped — or brainwashed — by them.

“Bad company corrupts good morals.” (1 Corinthians 15:33)

But Jesus didn’t come to put people under more chains.

He came to set people free from the burdens others place on them.
“If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” (John 8:36)

 

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I’m thankful for this.

 

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I'm so thankful for this!

Everytime I get to when Yeshua dies I typically start crying because it's really sad.

This is sad. However, Yahavah still rose his Son up on the Third day! This is a reason to rejoice because resurrection exists!

 

[Soyeong]

If the wages of sin is death and Jesus died a death no one else could, doesn't that mean sin is taken care of?

Yes — if the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died the death no one else could, then the debt of sin is fully paid, once for all, for everyone. Scripture is extremely clear on this. The only way sin could still be an issue is if Jesus’ death wasn’t enough — and the New Testament refuses that idea outright.

1. The wages of sin is death — not guilt, not shame, not ongoing punishment​

Romans 6:23 doesn’t say:

• “The wages of sin is feeling bad.”
• “The wages of sin is struggling forever.”
• “The wages of sin is God being mad at you.”

It says:


So if death is the payment… and Jesus died… then the payment is done.

2. Jesus didn’t die a death — He died the death​

Hebrews 2:9 says:


Not a death. Not His own death. Not a symbolic death.

He tasted the death — the one that was owed.

And Hebrews 10:12 says:


If the wages of sin is death, and He paid that wage forever, then sin is not an unpaid bill.

3. If Jesus paid the full wage, then sin cannot still be charging people​

Otherwise:

• Jesus paid the wage
• But the wage is still due
• Which means the payment didn’t work

That would make the cross a partial payment, which the Bible rejects.

Hebrews 10:18:


If there is no more offering, then the debt is gone.

4. Jesus’ death was unique — meaning it covered what no human death could​

You said it perfectly:


Exactly.

Why?

Because:

• He had no sin of His own
• He could die as a substitute
• His life was of infinite worth
• His sacrifice was once for all (Heb. 10:10)

If His death was unique, then His payment was unique — and complete.

5. If sin still had power, Jesus would have to die again​

Hebrews 9:26 destroys that idea:


If sin wasn’t taken care of, Jesus would need to keep dying. But He doesn’t. Because it’s done.

6. The Bible’s own logic is airtight​

Let’s put it in a simple chain:

1. Sin demands death (Rom. 6:23)
2. Jesus died that death (Heb. 2:9)
3. He died once for all (Heb. 10:10)
4. He put away sin (Heb. 9:26)
5. There is no more offering for sin (Heb. 10:18)

Conclusion: Sin is taken care of. Completely.

7. So why do people still talk about sin?​

Because religion needs sin to stay in business.

Jesus ended the sin‑debt. Religion resurrects it every Sunday.

But the New Testament says:

• You are dead to sin (Rom. 6:11)
• Sin shall not have dominion over you (Rom. 6:14)
• You have been perfected forever (Heb. 10:14)
• You are a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17)

If the wages are paid, the case is closed.

Your statement is correct​

If the wages of sin is death… and Jesus died the death no one else could… then sin is taken care of.

Not “partially.” Not “conditionally.” Not “until you mess up again.”

Once for all.

Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while we continued to be doers of sin, so there is an aspect of our gift of salvation from sin that we are experiencing in the present by repenting and becoming a doer of the Law of God. Jesus saves us fro our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of the Law of God), so Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

The content of a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires then to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, ad good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to be doer of those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to be a doer of those works because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself just to redeem us from all lawlessness but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of God (Acts 21:20).

In Titus 2

 

[Soyeong]

If the wages of sin is death and Jesus died a death no one else could, doesn't that mean sin is taken care of?

Yes — if the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died the death no one else could, then the debt of sin is fully paid, once for all, for everyone. Scripture is extremely clear on this. The only way sin could still be an issue is if Jesus’ death wasn’t enough — and the New Testament refuses that idea outright.

1. The wages of sin is death — not guilt, not shame, not ongoing punishment​

Romans 6:23 doesn’t say:

• “The wages of sin is feeling bad.”
• “The wages of sin is struggling forever.”
• “The wages of sin is God being mad at you.”

It says:


So if death is the payment… and Jesus died… then the payment is done.

2. Jesus didn’t die a death — He died the death​

Hebrews 2:9 says:


Not a death. Not His own death. Not a symbolic death.

He tasted the death — the one that was owed.

And Hebrews 10:12 says:


If the wages of sin is death, and He paid that wage forever, then sin is not an unpaid bill.

3. If Jesus paid the full wage, then sin cannot still be charging people​

Otherwise:

• Jesus paid the wage
• But the wage is still due
• Which means the payment didn’t work

That would make the cross a partial payment, which the Bible rejects.

Hebrews 10:18:


If there is no more offering, then the debt is gone.

4. Jesus’ death was unique — meaning it covered what no human death could​

You said it perfectly:


Exactly.

Why?

Because:

• He had no sin of His own
• He could die as a substitute
• His life was of infinite worth
• His sacrifice was once for all (Heb. 10:10)

If His death was unique, then His payment was unique — and complete.

5. If sin still had power, Jesus would have to die again​

Hebrews 9:26 destroys that idea:


If sin wasn’t taken care of, Jesus would need to keep dying. But He doesn’t. Because it’s done.

6. The Bible’s own logic is airtight​

Let’s put it in a simple chain:

1. Sin demands death (Rom. 6:23)
2. Jesus died that death (Heb. 2:9)
3. He died once for all (Heb. 10:10)
4. He put away sin (Heb. 9:26)
5. There is no more offering for sin (Heb. 10:18)

Conclusion: Sin is taken care of. Completely.

7. So why do people still talk about sin?​

Because religion needs sin to stay in business.

Jesus ended the sin‑debt. Religion resurrects it every Sunday.

But the New Testament says:

• You are dead to sin (Rom. 6:11)
• Sin shall not have dominion over you (Rom. 6:14)
• You have been perfected forever (Heb. 10:14)
• You are a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17)

If the wages are paid, the case is closed.

Your statement is correct​

If the wages of sin is death… and Jesus died the death no one else could… then sin is taken care of.

Not “partially.” Not “conditionally.” Not “until you mess up again.”

Once for all.

Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while we continued to be doers of sin, so there is an aspect of our gift of salvation from sin that we are experiencing in the present by repenting and becoming a doer of the Law of God. Jesus saves us fro our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

The content of a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires then to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, ad good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to be doer of those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to be a doer of those works because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself just to redeem us from all lawlessness but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of God (Acts 21:20).

He came to set people free from the burdens others place on them.
“If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” (John 8:36)

In Psalm 119:142, the Law of God is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of God that puts us into bondage while the truth is what sets us free.

 

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Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while we continued to be doers of sin, so there is an aspect of our gift of salvation from sin that we are experiencing in the present by repenting and becoming a doer of the Law of God. Jesus saves us fro our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of the Law of God), so Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

The content of a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires then to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it as the result. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, ad good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to be doer of those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to be a doer of those works because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself just to redeem us from all lawlessness but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of God (Acts 21:20).


In Psalm 119:142, the Law of God is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of God that puts us into bondage while the truth is what sets us free.

short answer :
You’re free to live under the Law if that’s what you choose, but I’m not under that covenant. I follow the law of Christ, which is to believe in Him and to love others.
Jesus said the work God requires is to believe in the One He sent (John 6:29), and He said His commandment is that we love one another (John 13:34).
That’s the freedom He gave us.



The core issue

He is saying:

“The gift of salvation is the experience of becoming obedient to the Law.
Therefore, doing the Law is part of the gift itself.”

That sounds spiritual, but it collapses the difference between:

• what saves you, and
• what saved people look like.


Scripture never merges those two.

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What Scripture actually teaches

1. Salvation is a finished work, not an ongoing training

Jesus said, “It is finished.”
Paul said, “You have been saved” (perfect tense).
Hebrews says He “made purification for sins” once for all.

Salvation is not:

• a process of becoming obedient
• a process of being trained
• a process of learning to keep the Law


Those are results, not the gift.

2. Grace trains us — but training is not salvation

Titus 2:11–14 does say grace teaches us.
But it does not say grace is the teaching.

Grace saves.
Grace also teaches.
Those are related, but not identical.

He is merging them into one thing.

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Why his Ferrari analogy fails

He says:

“The gift is the experience of driving the Ferrari.”

No.
The gift is the Ferrari.
Driving it is what you do because you have it.

Likewise:

• Salvation is the gift.
• Obedience is the experience of having received the gift.


He’s confusing cause and effect.

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The subtle danger

He keeps saying:

“We are intrinsically required to do good works because doing them is part of the gift.”

That sounds humble, but it’s actually a backdoor works‑gospel.

He’s not saying:

• “Do good works to earn salvation.”
He’s saying:
• “Doing good works is salvation.”


That’s just as dangerous.

Paul warned about this exact thing in Galatians.

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The Law problem

He keeps appealing to:

• Psalm 119
• Acts 21
• “zealous for the Law”
• “sin is transgression of the Law”


But he’s ignoring the entire New Testament teaching that:

• believers are not under the Law
• the Law was a tutor leading to Christ
• the Law’s purpose was to condemn, not empower
• the Law is fulfilled in love, not in Torah‑keeping
• the Spirit, not the Law, produces righteousness


He’s trying to drag Christians back under a covenant that was never given to Gentiles and was fulfilled by Christ.

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What’s really going on

He’s reacting against:

• empty religion
• checklist Christianity
• hypocrisy
• legalistic church culture


You and I agree with him there.

But instead of embracing freedom in Christ, he’s building a new system where:

• obedience = salvation
• training = salvation
• doing = salvation


He’s trying to fix legalism with… a more spiritual‑sounding legalism.

 

[Soyeong]

short answer :
You’re free to live under the Law if that’s what you choose, but I’m not under that covenant. I follow the law of Christ, which is to believe in Him and to love others.
Jesus said the work God requires is to believe in the One He sent (John 6:29), and He said His commandment is that we love one another (John 13:34).
That’s the freedom He gave us.

Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so I see no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is not in perfect accordance with everything that Christ taught and every word that comes from the mouth of God, especially because the Law of Moses was given in order to teach show to believe in Christ and to love others. The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused it to be needed in the first place, but rather it still involves following the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 3626-27). The freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to sin.

The core issue

He is saying:

“The gift of salvation is the experience of becoming obedient to the Law.
Therefore, doing the Law is part of the gift itself.”

Scripture never merges those two.

Jesus saves us from our sin and sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so there is an intrinsic connection between our gift of salvation and our gift of getting to experience being a doer of the Law of God.

1. Salvation is a finished work, not an ongoing training

Jesus said, “It is finished.”
Paul said, “You have been saved” (perfect tense).
Hebrews says He “made purification for sins” once for all.

Salvation is not:

• a process of becoming obedient
• a process of being trained
• a process of learning to keep the Law


Those are results, not the gift.

The Bible speaks about our salvation in the past, present, and future tenses, so we have been saved from the penalty of our sin (Ephesians 2:5), we are being saved from continuing to live in sin (Philippians 2:12), and we will be saved from God's wrath on the day of the Lord (Romans 5:9-10). Again, Titus 2:11-13 describes the content of our gift of salvation as being trained by grace to do those works, so it is something that we are experiencing in the present. In Titus 2:14, it describes what Jesus finished through the cross not just by saying that he gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so again that is something that we are experiencing in the present.

2. Grace trains us — but training is not salvation

Titus 2:11–14 does say grace teaches us.
But it does not say grace is the teaching.

Grace saves.
Grace also teaches.
Those are related, but not identical.

Again, Titus 2:11-13 describes our salvation as being trained by grace to do those works, so grace saves us by teaching us to do those works. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

Why his Ferrari analogy fails

He says:

“The gift is the experience of driving the Ferrari.”

No.
The gift is the Ferrari.
Driving it is what you do because you have it.

Likewise:

• Salvation is the gift.
• Obedience is the experience of having received the gift.


He’s confusing cause and effect.

My point was that the content of a gift can be the experience of getting to do something rather than an object, so the purpose of example of getting to experience driving a Ferrari was to illustrate this, so you saying that the gift is the Ferrari completely misses my point and doges the issue that the content of a git can be the experebe of getting to do something. In Titus 2:11-13, it does not say that we are saved first and then we will do those works as the result, but rather it describes the gift of our salvation as being trained by grace to do those works.

“We are intrinsically required to do good works because doing them is part of the gift.”

That sounds humble, but it’s actually a backdoor works‑gospel.

He’s not saying:

• “Do good works to earn salvation.”
He’s saying:
• “Doing good works is salvation.”


That’s just as dangerous.

Paul warned about this exact thing in Galatians.

There is a difference between these two positions:

1.) Our salvation requires us to choose to be a doer of the Law of God.

2.) Our salvation requires us to choose to be a doer of the Law of God in order to earn it as the result (works salvation).

The Bible supports 1 while denying 2 but the problem is that you are trying to use verses in Galatians that only warned against 2 in order to argue against 1. Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey Him (Hebrews 5:9).

The Law problem

He keeps appealing to:

• Psalm 119
• Acts 21
• “zealous for the Law”
• “sin is transgression of the Law”


But he’s ignoring the entire New Testament teaching that:

• believers are not under the Law

In Romans 5-8, Paul describe the Law of God as being something that is the good that he wanted to do in contrast with the law of sin as being something that was causing him not to do the good that he wanted to do. In Romans 6:14, Paul descried the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over him, which is clearly not describing the good that he wanted to do, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful but how who know what sin is, so we are still under it. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin.

• the Law was a tutor leading to Christ

Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after their purpose had been fulfilled would be missing the whole point of a Tutor. The reason why God's Word leads us to God's Word made flesh is because he is the embodiment of it and it was given in order to teach us how to know him through following his example of embodying it, but the reason why it leads us to him was not so that we can then reject all that he is and go back to being doers of what it reveals to be wickedness. In Acts 3:25-26, Jesus was sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness.

• the Law’s purpose was to condemn, not empower

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the purpose of the Law of Moses is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3).

• the Law is fulfilled in love, not in Torah‑keeping

Love fulfills the Torah because everything in it was given in order to teach us how to love God and our neighbor.

• the Spirit, not the Law, produces righteousness

In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses. God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather He gave the Law of Moses was given in order to teach us how to embody His character traits and His character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

He’s trying to drag Christians back under a covenant that was never given to Gentiles and was fulfilled by Christ.

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I have been speaking about how to live under the New Covenant.

What’s really going on

He’s reacting against:

• empty religion
• checklist Christianity
• hypocrisy
• legalistic church culture


You and I agree with him there.

But instead of embracing freedom in Christ, he’s building a new system where:

• obedience = salvation
• training = salvation
• doing = salvation


He’s trying to fix legalism with… a more spiritual‑sounding legalism.

Legalism is obeying the Law of God without regard to its purpose, so my point has been to clarify the correct purpose of obeying it. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of God but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to embrace the freedom that we have in Christ is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20). The Law of Moses is truth (Psalm 119:142) and it is the transgression of the Law of Moses that puts is into bondage while the truth sets us free (John 8:31-36).

 

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is truth

The Core Problem in His Argument

He is treating:

• The Law of Moses
• The Law of God
• The Law of Christ


as if they are the same thing.

Scripture never does that.

Paul explicitly distinguishes them (1 Corinthians 9:20–21).
Hebrews explicitly distinguishes them (Hebrews 7:12).
Jesus explicitly distinguishes them (Matthew 5:17–18).

He is mixing categories that the Bible keeps separate.

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Where His Reasoning Breaks Down

1. He assumes “obeying the Law of Moses” = “walking in the Spirit.”

But Paul says the opposite:

• “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”
(Galatians 5:18)


He tries to argue that “not under the law” means “not under sin,” but Paul already has a phrase for that—“under sin” (Romans 3:9). Paul doesn’t confuse the two. He uses them differently.

He’s rewriting Paul to fit his system.

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2. He treats the Law of Moses as eternal, unchanging, and universal.

But scripture says:

• “A change of priesthood necessitates a change of law.”
(Hebrews 7:12)


If the law didn’t change, Hebrews 7 makes no sense.

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3. He treats the New Covenant as a continuation of the Old Covenant.

But Jesus says:

• “This is the new covenant in my blood.”
(Luke 22:20)


New covenant ≠ renewed covenant.
New covenant ≠ same covenant.
New covenant ≠ Mosaic covenant with upgrades.

He’s flattening covenants that God Himself separates.

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4. He quotes Jeremiah 31 but ignores what it actually says.

Jeremiah 31:32 says the New Covenant is:

• “NOT like the covenant I made with their fathers.”


He skips that part.

He also ignores that Jeremiah 31 never says:

• “I will put the Law of Moses in their hearts.”


It says:

• “I will put my law within them.”


God’s law ≠ Mosaic code.
God’s law existed before Moses and continues after Moses.

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5. He confuses “salvation produces obedience” with “obedience produces salvation.”

You already nailed this.

He’s trying to smuggle works into the root instead of the fruit.

Paul says salvation is:

• By grace (Ephesians 2:8)
• Through faith (Ephesians 2:8)
• Unto good works (Ephesians 2:10)


He reverses the order.

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The Real Issue: He Doesn’t Understand How Covenants Work

He’s trying to live in:

• Sinai
• Pentecost
• and the Millennial Kingdom


all at the same time.

He’s mixing dispensations, covenants, and audiences.

He’s trying to make the Mosaic Covenant eternal because he doesn’t understand that:

• The Law of Moses was temporary (Galatians 3:19)
• The Law of Moses was a tutor (Galatians 3:24)
• The tutor’s job ends when faith comes (Galatians 3:25)


He says rejecting the tutor is rejecting God.

Paul says staying under the tutor is rejecting Christ.

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What You’re Actually Saying (and why it’s correct)

You’re saying:

• Salvation is by grace through faith.
• Grace trains us to live righteously.
• The Spirit produces obedience.
• Obedience is the fruit, not the root.
• The Law of Moses pointed to Christ.
• The Law of Christ is the fulfillment of what the Law of Moses foreshadowed.
• Freedom in Christ is freedom from sin, not freedom to sin.


That’s exactly what Paul teaches.

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A Clean, Direct Summary You Can Send Back

Here’s a tight, medium‑length response with scripture, in your voice:

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Christ didn’t establish the New Covenant so we could return to the Old one. He fulfilled the Law of Moses, not because it was bad, but because it was temporary and pointed to Him (Galatians 3:19–25). The Law of Moses was a tutor, but Paul says plainly that once faith has come, we are no longer under the tutor.

Jesus didn’t call us back to Sinai—He called us to Himself.

The Law of Christ is not a contradiction of God’s Word; it is the fulfillment of everything the Law and the Prophets pointed toward (Matthew 5:17). The Spirit writes God’s law on our hearts, not the Mosaic code, but the very character of God expressed through Christ (2 Corinthians 3:3).

Freedom in Christ is freedom from sin, not freedom to sin. But obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the requirement to earn it. Titus 2 says grace trains us to live righteously—it doesn’t say we obey first and then grace comes. Salvation is by grace through faith, and that salvation produces a life of obedience (Ephesians 2:8–10).

The New Covenant doesn’t nullify the Old—it fulfills it. But fulfillment is not the same as continuation. Hebrews says a change in priesthood requires a change in law (Hebrews 7:12). We follow Christ, not Moses, and the Spirit leads us into the righteousness the Law pointed toward but could never produce.

 

[MatthewG]

I can just come back you with ai @Soyeong.

Ai can correlate of things I’ve shared with it over the past year. And a lot of the things you believe we will be in disagreement.

You can believe however you want it’s personal to you: it makes no difference to me. I just stay where I know is best.


Sin has been taken care of by Jesus and now we live by the spirit of the resurrected Lord today.


I don’t even believe obedience is needed for salvation it’s belief.

Ai will say obedience will we tend to abide more in if anything.

 

[Soyeong]

• The Law of Moses
• The Law of God
• The Law of Christ

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, which is why the Law of Moses is called the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23). Again, Christ also spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God and you have given no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is not in perfect accordance with everything that he taught and with every word that comes from the mouth of God.

Paul explicitly distinguishes them (1 Corinthians 9:20–21).

Paul said in a parallel statement that he was not outside the Law of God but under the Law of Christ, so he equated them.

Hebrews explicitly distinguishes them (Hebrews 7:12).
Jesus explicitly distinguishes them (Matthew 5:17–18).

I'm not seeing where those verses say anything that distinguishes them.

1. He assumes “obeying the Law of Moses” = “walking in the Spirit.”

Galatians 5:18

I did not assume that, but rather I made the case for it based on Scripture. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he lists as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of Moses while all of the the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. The desires of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we wanted to do is how Paul described his struggle with the law of sin in Romans 5-8, so that is the law that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit. In Romans 8:2-7, Paul said that the Law of the Spirit has freed us from the law of sin and death, that we have been set free from sin in order to meet the righteous requirement of the Law of God, and he contrasted those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God, so again the law that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit is the law of sin, not the Law of God. The Law of Moses was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:18 as referring to the Law of Moses as if we are not led by God when we are led by God.

He tries to argue that “not under the law” means “not under sin,”

I did not say "not under sin" but "not under the law of sin". In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin, which held him captive, which was waging war against the law of his mind, and which he served with his flesh, so this is not rewriting Paul to fit my system and it should at least be word considering which of these Romans 6:14 is referring to.

2. He treats the Law of Moses as eternal, unchanging, and universal.

The Bible repeatedly refers to the Mosaic Covenant as being eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), and says things like that this is a statute forever throughout your generations. God's righteousness is eternal (Psalm 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalm 119:160), but if the way to embody God's righteousness could change such as with it becoming righteous to commit adultery or sinful to do charity, then God's righteousness would not be eternal. So Hebrews 7:12 could not be referring to a change of the law in regard to its content but rather the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change of the law in regard to its administration. A priesthood led by God's Word made flesh does not involve departing from God's Word.

“NOT like the covenant I made with their fathers.”

While I agree that the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant, it involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so the way that they are not like each other is not in regard to following the Torah. It is not the case that each of the covenants in the Bible is made with a different God with an arbitrarily different set of character traits and an arbitrarily different set of laws for how to know them through embodying those character traits, but rather they are all made with the same God with the same eternal character traits and therefore the same eternal and cumulatively valid instructions for how to know Him through embodying His character traits. Everything that God's covenants teach us about how to know Him through embodying His character traits is eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any.

“I will put my law within them.”

The Hebrew word "Torah" refers specifically to the Law of Moses.

He confuses “salvation produces obedience” with “obedience produces salvation.”

Neither one is true.

Ephesians 2:8-10

Paul said that we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so we can't earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of Moses is nevertheless a central part of His gift of salvation.

Galatians 3:19-25

It is not the case that the Law of Moses leads us to Christ in order to free us to become doers of what it reveals to be wickedness, but just the opposite, he was sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26). Again, someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after their job ends would be missing the whole point of a tutor.

Paul says staying under the tutor is rejecting Christ.

A student does not move on to algebra by disregarding everything that they were taught about addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, but rather their new teacher incorporates what they were taught previously. It is completely absurd to think that the way to reject God's Word made flesh is by following his example of embodying God's Word.

He fulfilled the Law of Moses

I have said nothing in favor of returning to the Mosaic Covenant, but rather I have been speaking about how to live under the New Covenant. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus proceeded to fulfill the law throughout the rest of Matthew 5 by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended. The Law of Moses teaches us how to point towards Christ and we should live in a way that points towards him rather than a way that points away from him.

Jesus didn’t call us back to Sinai—He called us to Himself.

The way that God's Word made flesh calls us to Himself is by teaching us to embody God's Word, not by leading us to reject it.

The Law of Christ is not a contradiction of God’s Word; it is the fulfillment of everything the Law and the Prophets pointed toward (Matthew 5:17). The Spirit writes God’s law on our hearts, not the Mosaic code, but the very character of God expressed through Christ

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, so it is God's Word. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in the Spirit/how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses.

Titus 2 says grace trains us to live righteously—it doesn’t say we obey first and then grace comes.

Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits and sin is the transgression of the Law of Moses because it was given in order to teach us how to know Him and Jesus through embodying His character traits, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3). This is also why Jesus affirmed in Luke 10:25-28 that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments of the Law of Moses, and something that we inherit is a gift, so he was speaking about the way to experience the gift of eternal life, not about the way to earn it as the result of our obedience. I did not say that we obey first and then grace comes. Salvation has always been by grace through faith (Psalm 119:29-30).

The New Covenant doesn’t nullify the Old—it fulfills it. We follow Christ, not Moses, and the Spirit leads us into the righteousness the Law pointed toward but could never produce.

Please quote where the Bible states "The New Covenant fulfills the Mosaic Covenant". The same God who gave the Law to Moses also sent Jesus as the promises seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness in disobedience to it, so there is no disagreement. The Law of Moses was never given as a way of becoming righteous as the result of our obedience but to describe the life of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ, so it is what we get to experience by being given the gift of righteousness through faith.

 

[MatthewG]

Brother quit chopping up stuff.

What’s your position man?

Make it simple for people to understand.

I see you pushing works righteousness or something like that, I’ve had a problem with your view in the past @Soyeong .


I understand you are good at writing.



Building up the spiritual person by abiding in Jesus is Christ and maturing in the faith is all I know… and idk what else you want or what you are bringing to the table anyways.


You believe Jesus was resurrected right?

Not everyone does. They believe Jesus died but they don’t never rise with him.

You know what I mean and that’s the key importantence.

Dying to self and rising with Him in newness of life which is by the spiritually born again person to have a relationship with Yahavah/God.

 

[MatthewG]

Brother quit chopping up stuff.

What’s your position man?

Make it simple for people to understand.

I see you pushing works righteousness or something like that, I’ve had a problem with your view in the past @Soyeong .


I understand you are good at writing.



Building up the spiritual person by abiding in Jesus is Christ and maturing in the faith is all I know… and idk what else you want or what you are bringing to the table anyways.


You believe Jesus was resurrected right?

Not everyone does. They believe Jesus died but they don’t never rise with him.

You know what I mean and that’s the key importantence.

Dying to self and rising with Him in newness of life which is by the spiritually born again person to have a relationship with Yahavah/God.

Building up the spiritual person by abiding in Jesus Christ and maturing in the faith is really all I’m focused on. That’s the whole point for me. I’m not sure what else you’re expecting from me or what you’re trying to bring into the conversation.

But let me ask you plainly — you believe Jesus was resurrected, right?
Because not everyone does. Some believe He died, but they never rise with Him. And that’s the whole issue.

Scripture says, “If we have been united with Him in a death like His, we shall certainly be united with Him in a resurrection like His” (Romans 6:5). That’s the key. That’s the importance.

It’s about dying to self and rising with Him into newness of life. Paul said, “I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me” (Galatians 2:20).

That’s what it means to be born again — not in the flesh, but in the Spirit (John 3:6–7).
A spiritually born‑again person actually has a relationship with Yahavah, the living God.

Everything else is secondary to that.

 

[Soyeong]

Brother quit chopping up stuff.

What’s your position man?

Make it simple for people to understand.

I see you pushing works righteousness or something like that, I’ve had a problem with your view in the past @Soyeong .


I understand you are good at writing.



Building up the spiritual person by abiding in Jesus is Christ and maturing in the faith is all I know… and idk what else you want or what you are bringing to the table anyways.


You believe Jesus was resurrected right?

Not everyone does. They believe Jesus died but they don’t never rise with him.

You know what I mean and that’s the key importantence.

Dying to self and rising with Him in newness of life which is by the spiritually born again person to have a relationship with Yahavah/God.

I chop up your posts so that your post so that you can more directly see which points I am responding to, but I can refrain from doing that if you'd prefer.

I do not see why you can't grant the the content of a gift can be the experience of doing something. For example, I could pay for someone's vacation to somewhere as a gift to them or I pay for someone's movie ticket as a gift to them. Moreover, I do not see why you can't consider whether our gift of salvation, righteousness, and eternal life are this sort of gift. We get to experience an intimate relationship with God and Jesus through embodying His character traits by obeying the Law of Moses, which sounds like a pretty fantastic gift to me. Do you believe in the existence of the God who has the character traits that the Law of Moses was given to embody?

We can't earn our righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses because it was never given as a way to earn our righteousness in the first place, but rather it was given to describe the behavior of someone who is righteous as it describes the behavior of Jesus, so it is what we get to experience by being given the gift of righteousness through faith.

I don't see any justification for thinking that the Law of God's Word is not in perfect accordance with God's Word.

Do you think that Jesus came to bless us by turning us from what the Law of Moses reveals to be wickedness or to curse us by causing us to be free to become doers of what it reveals to be wickedness?

Everything that God's covenants teach us about how to embody His character traits is eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under.

A child of someone is a person who is in their likeness through embody their character traits, such as with John 8:39 saying that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character, which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in the Spirit/how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is what it means for him to be the Son of God and what it means for us to be born again as children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not born again (1 John 3:4-10) and why Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God (Romans 8:4-14). Moreover, those who abide in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). So the way to build up the spiritual person is by teaching them to embody God's character traits through following Christ's example.

Yes, I believe in the resurrection. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in the resurrection is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20). Christ lived in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is the way that we have the gift of getting to live when he is living in us.

 

[MatthewG]

I chop up your posts so that your post so that you can more directly see which points I am responding to, but I can refrain from doing that if you'd prefer.

I do not see why you can't grant the the content of a gift can be the experience of doing something. For example, I could pay for someone's vacation to somewhere as a gift to them or I pay for someone's movie ticket as a gift to them. Moreover, I do not see why you can't consider whether our gift of salvation, righteousness, and eternal life are this sort of gift. We get to experience an intimate relationship with God and Jesus through embodying His character traits by obeying the Law of Moses, which sounds like a pretty fantastic gift to me. Do you believe in the existence of the God who has the character traits that the Law of Moses was given to embody?

We can't earn our righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses because it was never given as a way to earn our righteousness in the first place, but rather it was given to describe the behavior of someone who is righteous as it describes the behavior of Jesus, so it is what we get to experience by being given the gift of righteousness through faith.

I don't see any justification for thinking that the Law of God's Word is not in perfect accordance with God's Word.

Do you think that Jesus came to bless us by turning us from what the Law of Moses reveals to be wickedness or to curse us by causing us to be free to become doers of what it reveals to be wickedness?

Everything that God's covenants teach us about how to embody His character traits is eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under.

A child of someone is a person who is in their likeness through embody their character traits, such as with John 8:39 saying that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character, which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in the Spirit/how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is what it means for him to be the Son of God and what it means for us to be born again as children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not born again (1 John 3:4-10) and why Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God (Romans 8:4-14). Moreover, those who abide in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). So the way to build up the spiritual person is by teaching them to embody God's character traits through following Christ's example.

Yes, I believe in the resurrection. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in the resurrection is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20). Christ lived in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is the way that we have the gift of getting to live when he is living in us.

Well, you know you have the freedom to do what you want. I’m not taking that from you. But I don’t equate following Jesus with living under the Law of Moses at all, period.

It honestly just seems confusing to me, because you keep saying the Law is something we “experience,” but Jesus didn’t talk like that. Jesus said the whole Law and the Prophets hang on two things: loving God and loving your neighbor (Matthew 22:37–40). That’s how He fulfilled the Torah.

And if you’re going to say we’re supposed to live the Law of Moses the way Israel did, then you have to deal with the parts that required putting people to death. The Law commanded Israel to stone their own family members under certain conditions (Deuteronomy 13:6–10). So if you’re living the Law of Moses, are you putting people to death?

Jesus didn’t teach us to do that. He said, “You have heard it said… but I say to you” (Matthew 5). He raised the standard to the heart, not the old covenant penalties. He stopped the woman from being stoned and said, “Let the one without sin cast the first stone” (John 8:7). That’s not Moses. That’s Jesus.

Paul said we are not under the Law but under grace (Romans 6:14). He said the Law was a guardian until Christ came, but now that faith has come, we are no longer under that guardian (Galatians 3:24–25). The righteousness of God is revealed apart from the Law (Romans 3:21).

So for me, following Jesus is about believing in Him and loving others the way He loved us (John 13:34). That’s the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.

And honestly, that’s the experience. It’s not living the Torah. It’s living by the Spirit of Christ, who produces the fruits of righteousness in you today. That’s what Paul said: the fruit of the Spirit is what fulfills the righteous requirement of the Law in us (Galatians 5:22–23, Romans 8:4). So maybe that’s the only difference we have. I don’t know. But for me, it’s the Spirit of Christ living in me now, not the Torah, that defines the life I live.

Yeah, there absolutely are people in the world today who try to live out the Torah fully — or at least claim to. But the key thing is this: nobody actually keeps the Torah the way Moses commanded, because the Torah requires things that are literally impossible today.

Still, here are the groups who attempt it or claim to:

1. Orthodox Jews​

They follow as much of the Torah as possible, but even they admit they cannot keep the full Law because:

• There is no Temple • There is no Levitical priesthood • There are no sacrifices • Many commandments require being in the Land under a theocratic government • Death penalties cannot be carried out

They call their lifestyle halakha, not “Torah life,” and they openly acknowledge that full Torah observance is impossible until the Temple is rebuilt.

2. Karaite Jews​

They reject the Talmud and try to follow the written Torah only. But again — they cannot keep the sacrificial system or judicial penalties.

3. Messianic Torah‑keepers / Hebrew Roots Movement​

These are the people closest to what your friend is arguing. They believe:

• Jesus is the Messiah • But Christians must still keep the Law of Moses

They call themselves:

• Torah‑observant Christians • Hebrew Roots • Messianic Torah‑keepers • Nazarene Israelites

But even they do not keep the Torah fully. They don’t stone people. They don’t offer sacrifices. They don’t follow Levitical priesthood laws. They don’t live under the covenant curses. They don’t live in the land under a theocratic judge.

They keep a modified, selective, modernized version of Torah — not the Torah Moses gave.

4. Some fringe sects​

There are tiny groups who try to recreate Torah life, but none of them actually do the judicial penalties or sacrificial system. They reinterpret the Torah to avoid the parts they can’t or won’t do.

The truth:​

No one on earth today lives the Torah fully. No one can. The Torah itself makes it impossible outside ancient Israel.

This is exactly why the New Testament says:

• The Law was a tutor until Christ came (Galatians 3:24–25) • We are not under the Law but under grace (Romans 6:14) • The Law was abolished in Christ’s flesh (Ephesians 2:15) • The old covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) • Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness (Romans 10:4)

 

[MatthewG]

@Soyeong, if you’ve got anything else you want to add, go ahead and make it your final point, because I’m ready to wrap this up. I’ve been straightforward about what I believe and how I see things in Scripture. You’re free to disagree, but I don’t think we’re ever going to land in the same place on this.

I just get tired of the back‑and‑forth after a while, you know.

 

[MatthewG]

There are a lot of people out there who sincerely believe they’re supposed to obey the Torah in its fullness. If that’s the path they choose, I’m not here to stop them. Everyone has to walk out their own convictions.

But here’s the reality the New Testament keeps pointing back to:
If someone thinks they can fulfill the Torah through their own strength, then what was the point of Jesus’ death and resurrection?

Paul said it plainly:
“If righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died for nothing.” (Galatians 2:21)

If a person wants to bypass Jesus, then they have to keep all of it — perfectly.
James even says, “Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at one point is guilty of all of it.” (James 2:10)

That’s an impossible burden.
And honestly, good luck with that strategy if that’s the road someone wants to take.

The good news — the actual gospel — is that Jesus fulfilled the Law, died, and rose again by the Spirit of Yahavah.
That’s the foundation we share.
That’s what gives us relationship with God.
That’s what gives life.

You’re not telling anyone what they “must” believe.
You’re simply pointing out the context of the narrative:
The Law had a purpose, it reached its fulfillment, and Jesus is the one who completed it.

 

[MatthewG]

Original post; The Wages of Sin is Death, Jesus died a Death none other could.​

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Questionnaire for the Bible Study​

If the Wages of Sin Is Death… Is Sin Taken Care Of?​

Section 1 — Understanding the Wages of Sin​

1. According to Romans 6:23, what is the wage of sin, and what is it not?
2. Why is it important to distinguish between “death” and feelings like guilt or shame?
3. How does defining the wage correctly affect our understanding of salvation?

Section 2 — Jesus Died the Death, Not Just a Death​

1. What does Hebrews 2:9 mean when it says Jesus “tasted death for every man”?
2. Why is it significant that Jesus died the death that was owed, not merely His own?
3. How does Hebrews 10:12 support the idea of a once‑for‑all sacrifice?
4. What makes Jesus’ death unique compared to any other human death?

Section 3 — The Logic of a Fully Paid Debt​

1. If Jesus paid the full wage of sin, what would it imply if sin still demanded payment?
2. How does Hebrews 10:18 (“no more offering for sin”) reinforce the finality of Christ’s work?
3. What would it say about the cross if sin still had an outstanding balance?

Section 4 — The Uniqueness of Christ’s Sacrifice​

1. Why does Jesus’ sinlessness matter for His ability to die as a substitute?
2. How does the infinite worth of His life affect the value of His sacrifice?
3. What does Hebrews 10:10 teach about the completeness of His offering?
4. Why can no human death accomplish what Jesus’ death accomplished?

Section 5 — If Sin Still Had Power, Jesus Would Need to Die Again​

1. How does Hebrews 9:26 argue against the idea of repeated sacrifices?
2. What does it mean that Jesus “put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself”?
3. Why would repeated sacrifices imply that sin was not fully dealt with?

Section 6 — The Bible’s Logical Chain​

1. Walk through the chain of biblical logic presented in the study.
2. Which part of the chain is the strongest to you, and why?
3. How does this chain challenge traditional religious teachings about sin?

Section 7 — Why Religion Keeps Talking About Sin​

1. Why might religious systems keep sin “alive” even after Jesus paid the wage?
2. How does focusing on sin benefit religious institutions?
3. How does the New Testament describe the believer’s relationship to sin after the cross?
4. What does it mean to be “dead to sin” (Rom. 6:11)?
5. What does it mean that sin “shall not have dominion over you” (Rom. 6:14)?

Section 8 — Identity and New Creation​

1. How does Hebrews 10:14 describe the believer’s perfected status?
2. What does it mean to be a “new creation” in 2 Corinthians 5:17?
3. How does understanding sin as “taken care of” change how a believer sees themselves?
4. How does this view affect daily Christian living?

Section 9 — The Core Question​

1. If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died that death, what remains for sin to demand?
2. What would it mean for the gospel if sin were not fully taken care of?
3. How does this teaching reinforce the sufficiency of Christ’s work?

Section 10 — Personal Reflection​

1. How has this study changed your understanding of sin and salvation?
2. Do you feel more confident in the finality of Christ’s sacrifice? Why or why not?
3. How does this teaching affect your view of God’s grace?
4. What religious ideas about sin do you now see differently?
5. How does this understanding impact your relationship with God?