quietthinker
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Did you know that those with the mark of the beast are persuaded they are on God's side?
The Godless left has a visceral HATRED of Trump for one simple reason - his massive support of Israel
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Ziggy
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Hos 14:9
Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the LORD are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.
Dan 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Rev 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
You think there are transgressors and wicked that are persuaded they are on God's side?
I suppose that could be true.
I see a lot of evil people believeing that God is on their side.
I don't know if they believe they are on His side.
And we know that the ones who don't get the mark are those who keep his commandments and the testimony of Jesus.
I guess they will have to figure that out for themselves.
Hugs
Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the LORD are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.
Dan 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Rev 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
I don't know about that.
You think there are transgressors and wicked that are persuaded they are on God's side?
I suppose that could be true.
I see a lot of evil people believeing that God is on their side.
I don't know if they believe they are on His side.
And we know that the ones who don't get the mark are those who keep his commandments and the testimony of Jesus.
I guess they will have to figure that out for themselves.
Hugs
NotTheRock
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Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
Sure sounds like World Islam!
Sure sounds like World Islam!
Ziggy
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Was Herod a Muslim? Did he believe in Islam?
Luk 9:9
And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.
Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Act 1:5
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 1:22
Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Act 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
How many do you suppose may have been beheaded knowing only the baptism of John?
Act 22:3
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Act 22:4
And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
Act 22:5
As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.
So these prisoners that were sent to Jerusalem to be "punished" , is it possible that John the Baptist was the example by which they "punished" the prisoners?
Something to think about.
Luk 9:9
And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.
Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Act 1:5
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 1:22
Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Act 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
How many do you suppose may have been beheaded knowing only the baptism of John?
Act 22:3
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Act 22:4
And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
Act 22:5
As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.
So these prisoners that were sent to Jerusalem to be "punished" , is it possible that John the Baptist was the example by which they "punished" the prisoners?
Something to think about.
NotTheRock
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Your problem is that you don't believe the Bible and so you don't believe that Jesus has a plan to restore and unite ALL PEOPLE into God.
NotTheRock
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I dont think so. Herod was, like Islam, a product of the worldly anti-Christ system.
ScottA
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It would seem so, but that is not the reason...not in the way you likely mean.
The Israel of the Bible is not the modern state of Israel. The modern state of Israel is the result of a Satan-worshipping group covertly hijacking the Zionists religion as a cover for their corrupt agenda.
The Israel of the Bible--biblically--was and "is finished" and their descendants dispensed among the gentiles to be gather by Christ in spirit--"Behold I stand at the door and knock..."
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NotTheRock
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God promised to restore Israel and that it would never again be destroyed. I believe he fulfilled his promise in 1948.
Amos 9:14-15
14 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them" says the Lord your God.
ScottA
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A lot of what I once saw was available as to those who did their research that was public record has since been scrubbed from public record. So it is difficult now. But you can probably still find some information about the Khazars, but it too has been scrubbed. I just did a search asking "When did the Khazars convert to Judaism?" And that much is still on record--the cause however has been scrubbed. Which was because Russia went to war with them for their satanic practices and kidnapping of Russian children to be used in their sacrificial ceremonies. That was public record before--I read it. Russia won and made them choice alternatively between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Now, the only place you can get the actual historical truth is from conspiracy theorists, all of which is now otherwise stated online as myth. It is interesting that the "myth" coverup is so prevalent that, that alone should be enough to cause suspicion.
But it will not stay hidden for ever. There is and has been a movement to stop them again for their crimes against humanity, manipulation of wars, and financial dealings. It all goes waaay back. Involved are the American Revolution, the assassinations of Lincoln and JFK, 9/11, Ukraine, Covid 19, and now Iran...just to name a few. Some of the evidence is why Washington DC and the City of London are not actually American or British, but their own separate, sovereign nations. The evidence is everywhere, but we have been like the frog in a pot slowly heated to boiling. Boiling, is where we are presently. Hence everything seeming over the top crazy.
Stay tuned--not to the major news networks--but to real things happening...things like strange deaths, retirments, and disappearences of elite, politicians, scientists, cooprate heads, educators, and the rich and famous. The swamp is being drained as we speak, and little by little revelations of corrupt criminal activities. Voter fraud is next.
ScottA
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Understand what you have just said (and what is written). What actually qualifies to be "never again?" Remember it is God who is forever, who made that promise. What then actually qualifies? Until heaven and earth pass away? Or actually forever as God is forever?
In other words, the passage is not referring to a worldly, earthly fulfillment, but to the fulfillment of a heavenly promise, eternally fulfilled. When did (yes, past tense) did that occur--when did Jesus/God "finish" with the house of Israel for which He came? In 1948? No--but at the cross, of course--that is what He said.
But you may say, "But it says 'of the land.'" --Yes, but what land? The land of promise. Which--really--should we actually think that to Israel, God merely gave a portion of the Middle East, while we Christians look to new heavens and new earth--and heaven? Of course not--that historic promised land was merely "a light unto the gentiles", a revelation of the actual Promised Land which we should know better than to consider fulfilled out of the deserts of the Middle East. To the contrary--the Promised Land--is heaven.
NotTheRock
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You and the world despise Israel. Shouldn't it be a proverbial "red flag" to you that you are aligned with them?
ScottA
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I DO NOT despise Israel. You have made a false witness.
What I despise is a COUNTERFEIT. That is what the modern state of Israel is.
If you are only going to believe what your ears hear and your eyes see, and everything you think is true, at least--don't give false witness.
Sounds like you're talking about the Khazar theory. I have addressed that before here.
These accusations are always wrapped in conspiracy theories. But how do you know any of it is true? Perhaps some I could believe, but not others.
ScottA
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You see, even now you consider it all theory.
Regardless, none of that amounts to anything more than the bloodline of biblical Israel being obscured among the gentiles. Which is a major point--because all that leaves is what has become a reality of the modern state of Israel. From which comes misdirected prejudice, and reverse prejudice. The workings of Satan.
As for the identity of Israel in recent and current times, there are two main things occurring: 1) Whether from Khzarian roots or not (It doesn't matter), there are "those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9 and 3:9); and 2) There are those who identify as Jewish, who follow Judaism, or Christianity, thinking that desert patch of the Middle East is the actual Land promised by God.
The problem then, is one of misguided belief in the promises of God, then mixed in with a Counterfeit version, all of which give true Israel a bad name.
True Israel is not of this world, nor is the Promised Land.
Ziggy
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Jacob is Israel.
Israel is not a physical location it is a People.
God's People. Chosen.
They was sent to be a light to the world. They failed.
But God didn't give up on them. He changed them.
They was carnal, and lived acording to carnal laws.
Those carnal laws were meant for the spirit but they didn't understand.
God sent Jesus to enlighten them, but they still wouldn't listen.
Now Israel is still Israel but their ears and eyes was opened and they converted to the Lord.
Israel is not just Jacob now it is Jacob and whoever God calls out of the world to be His people.
There is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus.
Israel is not the land.
Hugs
Israel is not a physical location it is a People.
God's People. Chosen.
They was sent to be a light to the world. They failed.
But God didn't give up on them. He changed them.
They was carnal, and lived acording to carnal laws.
Those carnal laws were meant for the spirit but they didn't understand.
God sent Jesus to enlighten them, but they still wouldn't listen.
Now Israel is still Israel but their ears and eyes was opened and they converted to the Lord.
Israel is not just Jacob now it is Jacob and whoever God calls out of the world to be His people.
There is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus.
Israel is not the land.
Hugs
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