Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[David in NJ]

Dave I believe that scripture clearly teaches that (The Beast) will be made a world spectacle when (The False Prophet) calls fire down from heaven before him

This deception in false miracles will be used in deceiving the world into receiving the mark and worshipping the image, it's not going to be a world secret, it will be front page news on every station, "Don't Be Deceived"!

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

AGREE
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Good Morning

 

[PinSeeker]

Wipe that stupid smile off your stupid face. Your post is as stupid as anything that anyone could ever imagine. As are the rest of your stupid posts…

All you’re doing is showing your own ignorance. The question, then, is whether that’s willful or not, but that matters not in the end…

your stupid belief that God purposely creates people with no ability and no opportunity to have eternal life that are guaranteed to spend eternity in eternal torment. Now, THAT is stupid.

I agree, but that’s not my belief at all. Now, if you can present to me anything I have said I do believe and then present an unavoidable implication that is obviously false and that I don’t believe ~ as I have done here with you ~ then I would have to see that contradiction and rethink some things. And that has been my point concerning what, again, you have said, verbatim, you believe.

So here it is in terms of logic:

A —> a(1) and a(2)

• A is your stated belief
• a(1) and a(2) are the unavoidable implications of A

Logically, one cannot believe one side of the arrow and not the other. If one believes A ~ as you do ~ and does not believe a(1) and/or a(2) ~ and I am fully aware and acknowledging of the fact that you don’t ~ then there is a disconnect, a contradiction in his thinking. Such is the case with you, and that has been my point.

Nothing can be more stupid than to say God doesn't want all people to repent and to be saved…

Agree; yes I have never said that, nor would I…

You can't get any more stupid than believing that God did not send His Son to die for the sins of literally all people in the whole world so that whoever in the whole world who believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16, 1 John 2:1-2, 1 Timothy 2:5-6).

Agree; yes I have never believed that, nor would I.

You know, it’s a curious thing: It makes you so angry for anyone to say you believe something that you don’t believe and that you have explicitly said you don’t believe, and that’s understandable, for sure. But yet you do that very thing, time and time again, not just to me but to others also. So yeah, curious…

And back to what I have said in this post, I mean I know you’re not stupid, or ignorant, per se, buuuuut…

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

All you’re doing is showing your own ignorance.

You know, it’s a curious thing: It makes you so angry for anyone to say you believe something that you don’t believe and that you have explicitly said you don’t believe, and that’s understandable, for sure.

You blatantly misrepresent what I believe even after I explicitly explain what I believe. Because you are not an honest person.

But yet you do that very thing, time and time again, not just to me but to others also. So yeah, curious…

And back to what I have said in this post, I mean I know you’re not stupid, or ignorant, per se, buuuuut…

LOL. Your insincerity comes shining through with every post you make. You have a very serious problem with dishonesty. You know that you do think I'm stupid in a way and I think the same of you. Why not just be honest about it instead of saying "buuuuut..."? What you're really saying is "Out of a desire for my post to not get deleted for going over the line, I'm not going to explicitly say that you're stupid, buuuuut I do believe that you are stupid".

 

[Truth7t7]

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"Doesn't look like (The Beast) is ruling the earth to me, as seen in the scripture below"

That is because you omit rev 12 and 13.

The future 42 month tribulation will be a complete replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the Holy Spirit sealed church on earth is protected

The scripture below shows how the unsealed, unsaved, wicked will be tormented 5 months wishing to die, and yes the command is not to hurt the Holy Spirit sealed Church on earth, only those without God's seal will be tormented

Why do you disregard God's protection of the Church on earth during the tribulation?

Yes just as the plagues fell upon the Egyptians and not the Hebrews, it will be the very same during the 42 months of the (Two Witnessesl)

Revelation 9:1-6KJV
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.