Actually Jesus returns twice...

[rebuilder 454]

For the amills...

When the decree to rebuild the temple was given...the clock started.
When Jesus was crucified the clock stopped.
There is one week left....7 years.

This 7 year time of tribulation begins when the treaty is confirmed by the antichrist...the tribulation enters into the great tribulation stage when the antichrist claims to be God in the rebuilt 3rd temple.

I would say so

 

[rebuilder 454]

John who is the only writer in the bible, is the only one to mention the term antichrist and he don't mention antichrist in revelation

We can call him the beast.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Dude, you've lost this argument.

LET ME SAY IT AGAIN....I'LL TYPE SLOWLY.......T H E R E ... W A S ...N O ...W H I T E... H O R S E... A T... J E S U S '.. A S C E N T I O N.

Amils use a different bible.
You may as well debate a telephone pole.

 

[Marty fox]

We can call him the beast.

Is the description of the beast given by John the same description John gives of the antichrist in his epistles?

 

[Marty fox]

Rev 6:2...who is this guy?
And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.

Rev 6:2...who is this guy?
And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.

The beast system I believe Rome in the first century

 

[CrowCross]

Amils use a different bible.
You may as well debate a telephone pole.

The amills IMO are only going by what they have been told.
One thing they have been told is that Darby invented the rapture and dispensations...They believe that and never investigated that untruth.

 

[CrowCross]

The beast system I believe Rome in the first century

You're a bit early. If you want to see the beast system being installed...today...look around.

 

[The Light]

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Yes, the earth was reaped....and what happened to those reaped?

The answer from verse 19...and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Jesus comes with a sickle and swings the sickle for the righteous harvest. The angel reaps.

Then angel comes with a sickle and the unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

Isn't Rev 6 the beginning of the tribulation with the 4 horseman...and the white horse rider the antichrist leading the way?

The first 4 horsemen are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24.
The 5th seal is the great tribulation which begins in the midst of the week.
The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest immediately after the tribulaiton.
The 7th seal is the wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

When the decree to rebuild the temple was given...the clock started.
When Jesus was crucified the clock stopped.
There is one week left....7 years.

This is not correct.

When the decree to rebuild the Temple was given....the clock started.
Unto Messiah the prince is 69 weeks, as in Jesus shows up after 69 weeks.
Messiah is cut off in the middle of the 70th week. There are only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

This 7 year time of tribulation begins when the treaty is confirmed by the antichrist...the tribulation enters into the great tribulation stage when the antichrist claims to be God in the rebuilt 3rd temple.

There is no 7 year tribulation, no matter how many Biblical experts say there is. There is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.

Sure there is a final week and that week begins with a 7 year covenant with many. In the midst of the week the abomination of desolation will be set up and the great tribulation will begin.

Point is that the Church will not be in heaven before the 7 years begins. We will be in heaven before the great tribulation begins in the midst of the week. However, the Church will be in heaven before the seals are opened.

 

[The Light]

I already provided dan 9 :27
7 yr trib...jacobs trouble.

Messiah is cut off in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel

There is no scripture that says there is a 7 year tribulation.

There is only a scripture that says that the final week will begin when a 7 year covenant with many is made.

The Church will NOT be in heaven BEFORE the final week begins. Scriptural FACT.

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Now you provided me with a link, or a ministry, or even an individual, with your same end times interpretation.

Please provide a single scripture that PROVES what I am saying is incorrect. It can't be done because I am using scripture to prove my point.

You have no idea what I have seen.

 

[Marty fox]

You're a bit early. If you want to see the beast system being installed...today...look around.

Revelation 17
9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Amils use a different bible.
You may as well debate a telephone pole.

It'd be nice if you actually debated at all instead of spewing your incoherent gibberish.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The amills IMO are only going by what they have been told.

You don't have a clue. You are completely ignorant. Tell me how you can reconcile the following passages with your view...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [a]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

One thing they have been told is that Darby invented the rapture and dispensations...They believe that and never investigated that untruth.

Prove it wrong. Give me quotes from anyone before Darby who taught a pre-trib rapture and dispensationalism.

 

[CrowCross]

Jesus comes with a sickle and swings the sickle for the righteous harvest. The angel reaps.

Then angel comes with a sickle and the unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God.

Do you have a verse that says that....or are you speculating?

 

[CrowCross]

The first 4 horsemen are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24.

Where in Matt 24?

The 5th seal is the great tribulation which begins in the midst of the week.
The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest immediately after the tribulaiton.
The 7th seal is the wrath of God.

 

[CrowCross]

This is not correct.

When the decree to rebuild the Temple was given....the clock started.
Unto Messiah the prince is 69 weeks, as in Jesus shows up after 69 weeks.
Messiah is cut off in the middle of the 70th week. There are only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.

The length of the tribulation is seven years. This is determined by an understanding of the seventy weeks of Daniel (Daniel 9:24–27; also see the article on the tribulation). The Great Tribulation is the last half of the tribulation period, three and one-half years in length. Reference

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

There is no 7 year tribulation, no matter how many Biblical experts say there is. There is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.

Sure there is a final week and that week begins with a 7 year covenant with many. In the midst of the week the abomination of desolation will be set up and the great tribulation will begin.

Point is that the Church will not be in heaven before the 7 years begins. We will be in heaven before the great tribulation begins in the midst of the week. However, the Church will be in heaven before the seals are opened.

 

[CrowCross]

Revelation 17
9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

??????? Are you a preterist?

 

[CrowCross]

You don't have a clue. You are completely ignorant.

At that point of a display of arrogance from you as well as ignorance...I stopped reading your post.

Are you saved? Would you like to meet Jesus?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

At that point of a display of arrogance from you as well as ignorance...I stopped reading your post.

What about your own constant display of arrogance and ignorance? Saying that amills are just going by what we're told? That's arrogance and ignorance. I study the scriptures for myself like the Bereans (Acts 17:10-11). How about taking the log out of your own eye?

Are you saved? Would you like to meet Jesus?

Of course I am. There's nothing wrong with me rebuking you and pointing out the errors in your doctrine. You think I'm being arrogant by doing so, but you're just being overly sensitive. You're not willing to defend your doctrine when it is challenged. You just take offense that anyone would have the gall to challenge your beliefs.