Actually Jesus returns twice...

[CrowCross]

I think it is the beast system Rome of the first century but that doesn't really matter

I hear this sort of statement from time to time...preterist view or even partial preterist view...but, how does 1 century Roman history stack up with what is said to happen in Rev 8?

 

[Marty fox]

If 1000 yrs is as a day to God...then your "near" And God's " near" are totally different.

Two "days" before the rapture would extremely very "near".

Revelation 1
19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.

 

[Marty fox]

I agree. But what do you make of the following, though?

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Why is it forbidden for us to know what the 7 thunders said? When will we know what they said? I'm not asking this as if I know the answers myself. I certainly don't. But that doesn't mean there can't be others who might have insight into this, thus have a solution.

Hello Dave, did you see post #305?

 

[Marty fox]

I hear this sort of statement from time to time...preterist view or even partial preterist view...but, how does 1 century Roman history stack up with what is said to happen in Rev 8?

Symbolic destruction of apostate Israel in the first century, it was an answer for the prayers of the saints in the 5th seal.

 

[CrowCross]

Symbolic destruction of apostate Israel in the first century, it was an answer for the prayers of the saints in the 5th seal.

You didn't answer the question.

I hear this sort of statement from time to time...preterist view or even partial preterist view...but, how does 1 century Roman history stack up with what is said to happen in Rev 8?

 

[Marty fox]

You didn't answer the question.

I hear this sort of statement from time to time...preterist view or even partial preterist view...but, how does 1 century Roman history stack up with what is said to happen in Rev 8?

I did answer, if that's not good enough for you then I guess its not I told you what I believe it is

 

[CrowCross]

I did answer, if that's not good enough for you then I guess its not I told you what I believe it is

Then explain the symbolism.
Show us how the 1 century reflected the symbolism.

 

[Marty fox]

Then explain the symbolism.
Show us how the 1 century reflected the symbolism.

The siege and destruction of Jerusalem

 

[CrowCross]

The siege and destruction of Jerusalem

Which part of Rev 8 speaks of that?

 

[The Light]

Once again...if that's what you really need to belief...then go for it.

If I don't believe the "Word of God" like and as you do....are we going to hell?

Was Daniel's prophecy accurate when it said that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

So did Jesus show up as Messiah when 69 weeks of 7 year occurred as prophesied?

Did Jesus minister for 3 and a half years and then was He cut off by His crucifixion as prophesied?

Does that leave only 3 and half years in the 70th week of Daniel or as you are claiming is there still a full week in the 70th week of Daniel remaining?

Does the 3.5 years of the 70th week of Daniel that I am saying remains according to scripture agree with Daniel 12

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

I have no clue why you want to reject FACTS.

 

[The Light]

When was the temple descecrated.?

The final Temple has not been built yet, let alone dececrated.

When did the white horseman come and go?

This is yet to occur.

Daniel was mistaken, when he said, at the halfway point of the week, ( 7 yrs), the AC descecrates the temple?

The Temple will be desecrated in the middle of the week. That week begins when the 7 year covenant with many is made.

There is no 7 year tribulation and there only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. FACT.

 

[The Light]

If we are past the midpoint of the 7 yr covenant, We obviously missed the advent of the AC, and him being absent must mean the temple being dececrated at the halfway point, was another misspeak by Daniel.

We are not past the midpoint of the 7 year covenant.

BTW...since we are in the middle of this supposed (already in place covenant), (according to you), where and what is this "already in place covenant"?
( that we are now halfway into)

BTW - You should check your math. We are not be at the midpoint yet.

BTW - We will not know if the covenant with many that was made in September 2023 is the covenant of Daniel 9:27 until it is confirmed by the rider on the white of the 1st seal. It is highly likely that the Church will be in heaven before the Antichrist confirms a 7 year covenant.

BTW - I make no claims that the 7 year covenant with many is the covenant of Daniel 9:27. I am merely pointing out that there is a 7 year covenant with many that has been signed. I am pointing this out because we are told to WATCH. If we do not watch, we will not know the hour that He comes. So we should watch and be ready as the Lord instructs.

Most have been taught that the Church will be in heaven before the 7 years begins. This is incorrect. The Church will be in heaven before the Great Tribulation and the Jews that are raptured at the last trump on the Feast of Trumpets will be raptured at the 6th seal before the 7th seal wrath of God.............as believers are not appointed to wrath.

 

[David in NJ]

Are those who believe in the false prophecy of the pre-trib rapture going to hell because of their false beliefs?

3 admonitions from God

The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Nevertheless, God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,”
and, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity.”


Conclusion:
Salvation is in placing your trust in the LORD Jesus Christ and all that HE has spoken/commanded.
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.

 

[David in NJ]

There is no 7 year tribulation and there only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. FACT.

Now you are on the Lord's Path

 

[CrowCross]

Was Daniel's prophecy accurate when it said that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

So did Jesus show up as Messiah when 69 weeks of 7 year occurred as prophesied?

Did Jesus minister for 3 and a half years and then was He cut off by His crucifixion as prophesied?

Does that leave only 3 and half years in the 70th week of Daniel or as you are claiming is there still a full week in the 70th week of Daniel remaining?

Does the 3.5 years of the 70th week of Daniel that I am saying remains according to scripture agree with Daniel 12

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

I have no clue why you want to reject FACTS.

DUDE!!! I'm done. I gave my reasons... I disagree with you. Sorry.