(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

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Thanks for the response, I Disagree

In (The Same Hour) following the two witnesses being raised to heaven the great earthquake takes place, at this time the 2nd woe is (completed/past) and the 3rd woe comes "Quickly" in the 7th Trump/Angel sounding (The End) Rev 11:15 as the final judgment takes place Rev 11:18

Conclusion: No place in scripture below does the timing allow for a 75 day gap, it will be a matter of (Hour(s)/Minutes) between what you see as two earthquakes

Revelation 11:12-15KJV
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

I agree that the start of the 75 days begins quickly after the 1st earthquake. Matt 24:29 states "immediately after the tribulation of those days." Those days end with the 1st earthquake. Yet there are still 6 bowls of God's wrath to be poured out which includes the time it takes to gather the nations to Armageddon in between these 2 earthquakes.

Rev 11:15 above refers to the end of the reign of antichrist. His 42 month reign comes to an end on the day of the 1st earthquake. The bowls of wrath are God's intervention that cut short the time of great tribulation. Matt 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Although God's reign begins as soon as antichrist's reign ends, there is some amount of time between the start of God's reign and the 2nd earthquake.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
The tribulation period is the first half of the "seven," the great tribulation period is the second half of the "seven." The two witnesses rise to heaven at the midpoint of the two sevens.

The abomination of desolation occurs at the midpoint of the "seven," when the beast sits in the temple, showing himself to be God (2Thessalonians 2:4).

"Seven" in this context is seven 360-day years.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 11:14, it will be quickly revealed what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be.

Your Claim Is "False"

"Quickly" is in reference to the time the 3rd woe will actually take place after the 2nd woe is completed

 

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Thanks for the response, I Disagree

In (The Same Hour) following the two witnesses being raised to heaven the great earthquake takes place, at this time the 2nd woe is (completed/past) and the 3rd woe comes "Quickly" in the 7th Trump/Angel sounding (The End) Rev 11:15 as the final judgment takes place Rev 11:18

Conclusion: No place in scripture below does the timing allow for a 75 day gap, it will be a matter of (Hour(s)/Minutes) between what you see as two earthquakes

Revelation 11:12-15KJV
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. "
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 11:18 "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

I believe "thy wrath is come" refers to the first day of God's wrath against antichrist and his followers. This is the day he has taken control over the earth from the antichrist. The antichrist will still be alive and his armies will still be gathered, but antichrist won't gain any new followers.

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree that the start of the 75 days begins quickly after the 1st earthquake. Matt 24:29 states "immediately after the tribulation of those days." Those days end with the 1st earthquake. Yet there are still 6 bowls of God's wrath to be poured out which includes the time it takes to gather the nations to Armageddon in between these 2 earthquakes.

Rev 11:15 above refers to the end of the reign of antichrist. His 42 month reign comes to an end on the day of the 1st earthquake. The bowls of wrath are God's intervention that cut short the time of great tribulation. Matt 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Although God's reign begins as soon as antichrist's reign ends, there is some amount of time between the start of God's reign and the 2nd earthquake.

It's my opinion that the great earthquake seen in Revelation 11:13 is the 2nd woe and it takes place immediately after the two witnesses are raised to heaven, and this earthquake is localized to Jerusalem

It's my opinion that the great world earthquake takes place quickly after the 2nd woe, and it ushers in the Lord's second coming and 7th Trump, as Islands and mountains are removed out of their places

Revelation 11:11-15KJV
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 11:18 "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

I believe "thy wrath is come" refers to the first day of God's wrath against antichrist and his followers. This is the day he has taken control over the earth from the antichrist. The antichrist will still be alive and his armies will still be gathered, but antichrist won't gain any new followers.

I believe "Thy Wrath Is Come" is representing the 2nd and 3rd woes in the Lords second coming and final judgement, and it directly relates to the context of Revelation Chapter 11, (The Nation's Were Angry) (The Time Of The Dead That They Should Be Judged)

 

[Truth7t7]

IMO:
Tribulation is first half of the "seven," great tribulation is second half of the "seven." The two witnesses rise to heaven at the midpoint.

I Strongly Disagree

You promote the standard teachings found in dispensationalism

As shown several times, (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) will be present on this earth together for 3.5 years, after the (Two Witnesses) are raised to heaven the final hours of this earth's existence unfolds in the Lord's second coming in final judgement at the 7th Trump Rev 11:15-18

Revelation 11:15-18KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Earthly time ceases to exist when the 7th Trump begins to sound (The End)

Revelation 10:5-7KJV
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[Douggg]

Your Claim Is "False"

"Quickly" is in reference to the time the 3rd woe will actually take place after the 2nd woe is completed

What is the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, that is revealed in Revelation 12 ? And how long does that third woe last ?

 

[William Barton]

There's no such thing as a 7 year tribulation found in scripture, it will be a 3.5 year or 42 month or 1260 day tribulation, all describing g the same

The Beast will be given 42months or 3.5 years and the tribulation starts when the Abomination Of Desolation takes place as The Beast is revealed to the world

The Two Witnesses will be given the same time of 1260 days or 3.5 years, (The Beast) and the (Two Witnesses) will be on the earth during the great tribulation at the very same time, up to the 3rd woe-7th Trump

IMO:
o. "End-times" = seven years, where year =360 days.
o. First 3.5 years = tribulation.
o. Then the rapture.
o. Final 3.5 years = great tribulation.

 

[William Barton]

"Time no longer" = "no more time before intervention by God," i.e. "no further delay."

 

[William Barton]

There's no such thing as a 7 year tribulation found in scripture, it will be a 3.5 year or 42 mo

IMO:
"Great tribulation" (Matthew 24:21) begins at the midpoint (1/2 way) of the seventieth-seven tribulation (where seven = seven 360-day years, see Daniel 9:24-27).

This great tribulation period is (1/2)*(7 years)*(360 days/year) = 1260 days. This is explained in Daniel 9:24-37.

 

[Douggg]

IMO:
"Great tribulation" (Matthew 24:21) begins at the midpoint (1/2 way) of the seventieth seven, where a seven = seven 360-day years (Daniel 9:24-27).

William, subtract the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 from day 2520 to know on what day of the seven years the great tribulation begins.

2520 minus 1335 = 1185.

 

[WitnessX]

What is the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, that is revealed in Revelation 12 ? And how long does that third woe last ?



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Nothing in scripture says the first seal is the antichrist. Not single passage is a proof text for that interpretation. That’s dispensationalist slop. Your charts are useless and you have no understanding. You are jamming square pegs into round holes. You should consider spending time in the word and asking for understanding rather than your 1 billion charts and graphs. I say that out of love.

The AC doesn’t come on the scene until the 5th seal, when the AOD takes place (Matt 24:15) when he stands in the false temple and calls himself God (2 Thess 2:3-4). Then he makes war against the saints who don’t accept him as such. This starts the 3.5 year Great Tribulation (Matt 24:21).

The four horseman are the same as the four chariots in Zechariah, they can stir up (Dan 7:2) or quiet the nations (Zech 1:8-11), among other things, according to Gods will. They are the first four seals and the beginning of sorrows/birth pangs.

Zechariah 6:1-3 (KJV) 1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains [were] mountains of brass. 2 In the first chariot [were] red horses; and in the second chariot black horses; 3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

Zechariah 6:4-5 (KJV) 4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What [are] these, my lord? 5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These [are] the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

The same four winds/spirits in Daniel 7, and other passages, who stir up the nations:

Daniel 7:2 (KJV) Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

Daniel 7:2 (AMP) Daniel said, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea (the nations).

Amen

 

[Douggg]

Nothing in scripture says the first seal is the antichrist.

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Who is the rider on the white horse given a crown ?

 

[WitnessX]

IMO:
o. "End-times" = seven years, where year =360 days.
o. First 3.5 years = tribulation.
o. Then the rapture.
o. Final 3.5 years = great tribulation.

The resurrection/rapture is at His coming just as 1Cor 15:23 states:

1 Corinthians 15:23-24 (KJV) 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The Mystery Paul speaks of in 1 Cor 15:51 is the same mystery in Rev 10:7.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (KJV) 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation 10:7 (KJV) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The last trump is the seventh trump.

Further, Paul explicitly states the dead rise before those whom are alive. He says this TWICE in a span of two sentences in 1 Thess 4:15-16. Which is also the same “coming” in 1 Cor 15:23.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (KJV) 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Those whom are alive cannot precede those whom are dead. Period. Scripture is crystal clear.

Pretribulation “rapture” is a lie and easily defeated with scripture.

 

[Douggg]

The AC doesn’t come on the scene until the 5th seal, when the AOD takes place (Matt 24:15) when he stands in the false temple and calls himself God (2 Thess 2:3-4). Then he makes war against the saints who don’t accept him as such. This starts the 3.5 year Great Tribulation (Matt 24:21).

Learn the difference between the ToD and the AoD. The ToD is when the Antichrist "sits" in the temple, claiming to have achieved God-hood.

The AoD is later. After he is killed for his ToD act and then brought back to life - to become the beast, and a statue image made of him and placed on the temple mount.

 

[WitnessX]

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Who is the rider on the white horse given a crown ?

Who is the rider on the red, black, or speckled horse? are there four antichrists each riding their own horse? You’re once again imparting what you think it is rather than what scripture tells us it is.

Or do we read Zechariah and apply the scriptural definition like we should do with everything else?

Zech 6 is clear as day what the four horses/chariots are.

 

[Douggg]

Who is the rider on the red, black, or speckled horse? are there four antichrists each riding their own horse? You’re once again imparting what you think it is rather than what scripture tells us it is.

No, I never said the rider on the red horse, black horse, pale horse were the Antichrist. The Antichrist is a single person.

 

[WitnessX]

Learn the difference between the ToD and the AoD. The ToD is when the Antichrist "sits" in the temple, claiming to have achieved God-hood.

The AoD is later. After he is killed for his ToD act and then brought back to life - to become the beast, and a statue image made of him and placed on the temple mount.



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Protip: transgression is the abomination…you’re under delusion it appears and just making things up as you go. Sorta like the rest of dispensationalists who think there are two covenants or that works ever saved.

It was always By Grace through Faith. Hebrews 11 makes this very clear. As does Jonah 3.

God sent Jonah to Nineveh by His Grace (by Grace: unmerited favor):

Jonah 3:3 (KJV) So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

They believed and trusted God ( through Faith):

Jonah 3:5 (KJV) So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

They repented, had a change of mind and turned from sin to God (Repentance):

Jonah 3:8 (KJV) But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that [is] in their hands.

Then they did works of the faith (Faith is dead without works):

Jonah 3:10 (KJV) And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.

 

[Truth7t7]

What is the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, that is revealed in Revelation 12 ? And how long does that third woe last ?



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The word "Woe" in Revelation 12:12 below has absolutely nothing to do with the 3 woes seen below in Revelation 8:13 that's the topic of the discussion and you know this "Diversion"

Revelation 8:13KJV
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!