3 End-times spiritual princes. Will they bring 3 antichrists?

[The Light]

Dan 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The people of Titus or Romans, under the spiritual or heavenly prince of Rome, destroyed the 2nd Temple after Messiah was cut off in the 1st century.

Dan 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The same heavenly prince of Rome that existed in the 1st century will also confirm a 7-year covenant in the future. At that time, the 3rd Temple will be rebuilt.

Under the influence of the heavenly prince of Rome, animal sacrifice that will have been reestablished at the time of the 3rd Temple will cease. However, imo the person who causes that future animal sacrifice to cease will not be the person who confirms the covenant. The person who causes that future animal sacrifice to cease will arise to power under the influence of the heavenly prince of Greece, likely from the old region of Assyria.

The 3rd Temple is the one that the people of the prince who is to come destroy........not the 2nd Temple.

 

[David in NJ]

It could very well be as the end times prophecy of Islam runs parallel to the end times view of Christianity. The difference is that the antichrist of our view is the conqueror of Islam. I haven't found a biblical link, but the countries involved at this time also align with this theory.

Dark sentences are proverbs or parables.
Proverbs 1:6 "To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings."
Psalms 49:4 "I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp."

I don't have any reason to involve the Nephilim at this time.

Please share the scripture(s) that show "the king of fierce contenance" conquering Islam.

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Who wrote Proverbs chapter 1 ? = Solomon

Now let's dwell on that for it is directly related to "king........who understands dark sayings"

 

[6 Stories]

Hello 6'

Unfortunately you are referring to a popular understanding to the meaning with your first question about a Prince of Rome. You are not alone, that belief is shared by most of Christendom.

However, Daniel himself gives a better understanding before Chapter 9 and also after, which itself is also misunderstood. So, the first thing needed is to understand that many have been wrong about a lot of things regarding what is true. Israel for instance, after centuries of having God's initial word, and much study, were so wrong they crucified Christ. If we--if you--can start there with zero credit given to men and there studies and beliefs, then perhaps we can have a profitable discussion.

Assuming you can, here is what Daniel prefaced and also summarized Chapter 9 and his 70 weeks prophecy with:

Daniel 7:25​

He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.​

Daniel 12:7​

Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.​

"A time, times, and half a time" was Daniel's way of telling us what he was going to tell us about, and then also afterward, tell us what he just told us. Which, if you are not familiar, is a public speaking model even to this day.

The point is--Daniel's own summary--is the same as the seven days of creation (as God's own preface) speaking of all the history of the world. Meaning, when Gabriel told Daniel "Seventy weeks are determined for your people..."--he meant since Adam!

The prophecy then goes on foretelling of the Messiah coming and taking away the daily sacrifice in the middle of the seven time, by fulfilling it.

And with that correction, considering the princes, should come out differently.

Daniel 4:23 "And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;

7 times in this passage specifically referred to 7 years and not to the totality of creation.

Rev 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

The time, times, and half time of this passage also seems to me to be in parallel with the 42 months of Revelation 11:2 and 13:5.

Rev 11:2 " But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

Rev 13:5 "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

For these reasons, I disagree with your assessment.

 

[The Light]

What scripture(s) do you see this???

I see the Church in heaven in Rev 5 as the kings and priests from out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

I see 24 elders in heaven in Rev 4 with gold crowns showing that Jesus has come.

I see the seals are not opened until after these events.

 

[6 Stories]

Doesn't call him the prince of Rome.

However, it has been confirmed through history and I believe it will be confirmed in the future.

Dan 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The people of Titus or Romans, under the spiritual or heavenly prince of Rome, destroyed the 2nd Temple after Messiah was cut off in the 1st century.

Dan 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The same heavenly prince of Rome that existed in the 1st century will also confirm a 7-year covenant in the future. At that time, the 3rd Temple will be rebuilt.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:

There are six nations appointed to maintain order in the Middle East:

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Media-Persia
5. Greece
6. Rome

These six nations above all dominated Israel.

Anti-Christ" in this context = "false Christ," stemming from the "revived" Roman empire. He will make a covenant with Middle-Eastern nations that oppose Israel, and will oversee rebuilding of the Jewish Temple. He will thereafter take his seat in the temple, showing (falsely) that he is Messiah (2Thessalonians 2:4).

 

[ScottA]

Daniel 4:23 "And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;

7 times in this passage specifically referred to 7 years and not to the totality of creation.

Rev 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

The time, times, and half time of this passage also seems to me to be in parallel with the 42 months of Revelation 11:2 and 13:5.

Rev 11:2 " But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

Rev 13:5 "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

For these reasons, I disagree with your assessment.

You are wrong about the seven days of creation, as it is written, "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

From there, just as with the unfolding of many generations, the word of God is also unfolded in parts, "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.” And here we are at the end, which Isaiah also foretold, saying, "That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught."

Therefore, I have taken you back to the beginning.

 

[David in NJ]

I see the Church in heaven in Rev 5 as the kings and priests from out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

I see 24 elders in heaven in Rev 4 with gold crowns showing that Jesus has come.

I see the seals are not opened until after these events.

Please explain how the Church is in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are Opened.

 

[6 Stories]

Yes, he is the prince to come, of the Romans/Europeans. Later I will show you two maps on either side of the Church Age. God does things we can't understand, like inserts the Church Age in the middle of the Beast Kingdoms 70 weeks over Israel, to brig them to hell, and repentance, or back unto God.


Yes, but they are the same man, hence in Dan. 7:7-8 he's called the Little Horn, and in Dan. 8:9 he's called the Little Horn, same man, (and so is the Assyrian). So, he is born in Greece and comes to power in Rome or the E.U. in the end times, well Greece is in the E.U. Thus he fulfills both Dan. 8:9 and Dan. 7:7-8 and he is the Assyrian by bloodline (Old Assyria. hence Northern Iraq or Southern Turkey covered 90% of Assyria).

So, in the last 2500 years a family crossed the common border Turkey has with Greece and that family had a child in Greece AFTER they joined the E.U. There was never going to be 10 horns/kings, or toes, the number 10 stands in for Completion, so when it was 8, 12, 19 or 27 the number 10 meant Rome Revived or the E.U. Completely Reunited. Thus when the Little Horn was born AMONGST THEM, he was born in Greece which is n the E.U.


Its a totally different man, its a leader of a Nation (Gog =Putin probably) who leads a Coalition of Nations being Iran/Persia, Turkey, and a few North African nations into war against Israel, BUT THINK, the AC conquers Israel, this man is defeated by God, who destroys 5/6 of their armies on the Mount of God !! This war is meant to drive Israel in to the of the E.U. Gov. How else could he conquer a nuclear Israel without defanging them? Israel joining the E.U. is wat sets it all off, they 1.) Make God angry by "giving away His land essentially". 2.) This causes the pre trib. Rapture of the church and 3.) Israel will give up their nukes and thus set themselves up to be swiftly defeated at the 1260 events.


Yes, as THE BEAST, but he is the E.U. President/AC when the 7 years start.


Assyria was defeated by Babylon long before this verse in Dan. 7:8 is speaking about. As a matter of fact both Dan. 7:7-8 and Dan. 11:40-43 is about the End Time Anti-Christ. The 8th King is Apollyon king of the bottomless pit, NOTICE, he has NO CROWNS on the 7 Heads or 10 Horns. He's not Satan, see Rev. 12 he has crowns as the Red Dragon on the 7 heads, and he's not a human being or AC/Beast so he has no crowns on the 10 Horns like the Beast does in Rev. 13.

Question, how can the temple that is already defiled be defiled? It can't be, God rent the temple and left when Jesus died, he will never return until they accept Jesus as their Messiah, so what creates the AoD? IMAGE that Defiles the Temple, meaning Israel has already repented and started worshiping Jesus, thus Malachi 4:5-6 means what it says, Gid will send Elijah back BEFORE the DOTL (1260) to turn Israel back unto God, and thus the Two-Witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, the False Prophet not only gets THE PEOPLE to make an IMAGE (read Rev. 13 it says so) at the 1290 AoD, he TAKES AWAY or FORBIDS Jesus Worship in "his temple" and thus the Jews/Israelis have 30 days to flee Judea before the 1260 AC conquers them to become the Beast for the last 1260 days. Each set number is that many days until the 2nd coming of Jesus ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS or THINGS (Dan. 11:40-45).

Concerning the same man being from Rome and Greece:
1 Thes 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

IMO the 3.5 years or peace and safety portion comes under a Roman antichrist and the travail is the next 3.5 years of great tribulation under the Greek antichrist.

Rev 17:15-18 "
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

In this passage, I believe the woman or great city from verse 18 will be a future Rome. Rome will be the world capital reigning over the waters, which are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues in verse 15. In verse 17, Rome and its leader is destroyed and a new leader emerges over the New Roman Empire. This can't be the same leader imo.

We agree that the leader from Ez is a different leader.

Concerning the beast with crowns/no crowns:
Rev 12:3 "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

There is only 1 beast and it is under the authority of Satan. This beast throughout history has had different leadership under different regional spiritual authorities, but ultimately under Satan. In the past this beast was under 1) Babylon, 2) Media-Persia, 3) Greece, 4) King of the South from Greece - Ptolemy, Egypt, 5) King of the North from Greece - Seleucid, Assyria, 6) Rome. In the future, New Rome will arise as the 7th head. This will be the last kingdom of Satan.

This same 1 and only beast is shown again in Rev 13:1-4.
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

In this vision, authority (crowns) over this beast as a kingdom is given to the 10 horns as it is taken from the 7th head. This vision is further explained in Rev 17:11-12. "11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

The 10 horned beast as a kingdom will be taken over by the eighth beast as a king. This king will not be resurrected. His kingdom will be resurrected. This 8th will be of the 7. It will be a resurrection of Kingdom 5 above. Resurrection of an old kingdom is the reason for the wonder and marvel. It will happen with both number 7 and 8. Both the kingdom of Rome and the king from Assyria will be brought back into existence just as Israel came back into existence after almost 2,000 years of nonexistence. This is the meaning of Rev 17:6-11:

"6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

Concerning the future rebuilt temple:
Rev 11:1 "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."

If the bible calls it the temple of God and not a defiled temple, I'm not going to call it something else either.

 

[6 Stories]

Please share the scripture(s) that show "the king of fierce contenance" conquering Islam.

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Who wrote Proverbs chapter 1 ? = Solomon

Now let's dwell on that for it is directly related to "king........who understands dark sayings"

I don't have any scriptures to show anything related to Islam. I merely stated that it could be.

Understanding is given to kings. I don't disagree.

 

[David in NJ]

I don't have any scriptures to show anything related to Islam. I merely stated that it could be.

Understanding is given to kings. I don't disagree.

What was significantly unique of Solomon then all the other kings of Israel?

 

[6 Stories]

You are wrong about the seven days of creation, as it is written, "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

From there, just as with the unfolding of many generations, the word of God is also unfolded in parts, "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.” And here we are at the end, which Isaiah also foretold, saying, "That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught."

Therefore, I have taken you back to the beginning.

I'll need to understand the error of my interpretation in the scripture I quoted in support of my point of view before I will be persuaded of your point of view. Simply stating your point of view will not take me there.

 

[6 Stories]

What was significantly unique of Solomon then all the other kings of Israel?

His wisdom! Please clarify your point down this rabbit hole.

 

[ewq1938]

However, it has been confirmed through history and I believe it will be confirmed in the future.

Dan 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The people of Titus or Romans, under the spiritual or heavenly prince of Rome, destroyed the 2nd Temple after Messiah was cut off in the 1st century.

Dan 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The same heavenly prince of Rome that existed in the 1st century will also confirm a 7-year covenant in the future. At that time, the 3rd Temple will be rebuilt.

There is no such person in the bible called the "prince of Rome".

 

[6 Stories]

There is no such person in the bible called the "prince of Rome".

You are correct, and I was not referring to a person, but some sort of angelic being. Do you think that a spiritual authority existed at the time of the Roman Empire as occurred during the times of the Persian and Greek Empires? Does Israel have a spiritual prince?

Dan 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."

Dan 10:20 "Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come."

Dan 10:21 ""But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

In your opinion, what or who is the prince of Dan 9:26? "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."