Is it possible to lose salvation?

[ScottA]

Why isn't Acts 2;38, repent and be baptized....et al, proper guidance....?
Please explain your reason?

It is...but it doesn't say "water."

 

[Brakelite]

How can you LOSE eternal life?
How can you LOSE the promise you will never perish
How can you LOSE the idea that you will never hunger or thirst. and be assured Gods promise he will raise you on the last day
How can you LOSE the fact you who were dead are made alive. Not by works of righteousness which you do. But By Gods Mercy
How do you Lose the seal of the spirit. Gods seal placed upon you until the day of redemption (resurrections day)
How can you Lose the fact you have been adopted into Gods family. does he just kick you out on the streets and say do not come back?

more importantly., The wage of sin is death, How can you add any work, or works to make up for one sin. And finally Gods requirement is perfection. If you can not meet Gods standard at any time. How can you fall back below it to lose salvation.

You can lose it by acting against your own conscience. Read 1 Corinthians 8. Paul is writing about a man of faith who is influenced by a teaching that was contrary to his conscience. Whether right or wrong made no difference. He sinned against what he thought to be right. We must, and this goes for everyone, live fully up to the light we have and understand. If we believe something to be wrong according to conscience, like smoking for example, but smoke because you meet a Christian who smokes, you have sinned. And as Paul said, the Christian was the cause of him perishing.

 

[Brakelite]

I know you know this, whenever someone's interpretations of passages conflicts with plainly stated, clearly written Scripture, we know their understanding is incomplete.

One of my favorite passages concerning this topic is the one you alluded to, that He has sealed us unto the day of redemption. He's paid for us, and put His seal of ownership on us, sealed to show we are His property, to preserve His right of possession until the day He comes to retrieve His purchased possession. Who is able to unseal what God has sealed? No one!

Much love!

God can unseal. They can be removed from the Book of Life if they are unfaithful.

 

[Brakelite]

Nonsense.

Salvation is Jesus......
He is our Salvation., and that is why He is titled : Savior.

And where is Jesus, regarding the Born again?

He is : "CHRIST IN YOU, the Hope of Glory".. (Glory is heaven).

So, Christ is now IN the born again, which means that the born again Spirit is now "ONE wtih God".

THIS is the proof of Salvaiton, and its the STATE and STATUS of Salvation, and its ETERNAL.

What is Salvation, as related to ADAM the 1st?

its the restoation of ETERNAL spiritual UNION between God and man, that is created by the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.

This restored Spiritual Union between a forgiven SINNER and Holy God, is ETERNAL, because its created by This.......

A.) = "Jesus is the ONE TIME.........ETERNAL........sacrifice for sin".......because "God hath made JESUS... to be sin for us".

@Wick Stick is correct. It is a ridiculous notion to teach that faithfulness and obedience is now acceptable when it was faithlessness and disobedience that caused the death of the Son of God.

 

[marks]

God can unseal. They can be removed from the Book of Life if they are unfaithful.

The way I see it, God's purpose will stand. There is nothing in the Scriptures that I've seen telling us God will remove His ownership seal from those whom He has purchased.

Consider . . . as God has crucified our flesh with Jesus on the cross, are you saying God will resurrect our flesh back to life so we can live in it as though never regenerated?

We are not saved because of our works, we won't become "unsaved" because of our works.

Consider also,

Romans 5:6-10 KJV
6) For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7) For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Much love!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

The way I see it, God's purpose will stand. There is nothing in the Scriptures that I've seen telling us God will remove His ownership seal from those whom He has purchased.

Consider . . . as God has crucified our flesh with Jesus on the cross, are you saying God will resurrect our flesh back to life so we can live in it as though never regenerated?

We are not saved because of our works, we won't become "unsaved" because of our works.

Consider also,

Romans 5:6-10 KJV
6) For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7) For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Much love!

Amen!

And, Also Consider The Confirming [ And Harmonious ] Biblical Evidence Of The
Bema Judgment Seat Of Christ For All His 'Grace Through Faith' "Sealed " members:

ALL Sealed members? - "What Saith The Scriptures?":

"Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus,​

called saints, with all that in every place call upon The Name of Jesus Christ our Lord,​

both theirs and ours:" (1 Corinthians 1:2 AV)​

Including All Unspiritual and carnal 'babes' as Sealed members? - "What Saith The Scriptures?":

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"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,​

even as unto babes In Christ." 1 Corinthians 3:1 AV)​

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Including All Unfaithful/carnal/sinning Sealed babe(s)? - "What Saith The Scriptures?":

"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is​

not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.​

And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed​

might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit,​

have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,​

In The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the​

Power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the​

flesh, that the spirit may be Saved ​

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In The Day Of the Lord Jesus." (1 Corinthians 5:1-5 AV)​

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Final Biblical Confirmation???:

The Judgment Seat Of Christ:​

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall​

receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers​

together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.​

According to The Grace Of God Which Is Given Unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,​

I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let every man take​

heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that​

is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.​

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Now if any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,​

stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The Day Shall Declare it, because​

it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.​

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If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon, he shall receive a reward.​

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If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: But he himself Shall Be Saved;​

yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 cp Unbelievers Judgment in Rev 20:11-15 AV)​

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Thus God's Holy, Preserved , and Truthful Scriptures Disagree with Every critic, eh? ✓

Amen. God's Grace And Peace to all !

 

[Wick Stick]

@Wick Stick is correct. It is a ridiculous notion to teach that faithfulness and obedience is now acceptable when it was faithlessness and disobedience that caused the death of the Son of God.

Did I say that? I don't think I've responded here since about page 5?

I thought I framed it in terms of adoption. Where God has adopted, the only way to break that is to have another adoption... to become someone else's child.

Not impossible. But it's not likely to happen unless one makes a concerted effort to do so.

 

[Wick Stick]

The way I see it, God's purpose will stand. There is nothing in the Scriptures that I've seen telling us God will remove His ownership seal from those whom He has purchased.

Elsewhere, the "seal" is referred to as an "earnest." An earnest is a down payment on something, but it does include the idea that the transaction can be canceled. Albeit, if the transaction IS canceled, the earnest is typically forfeit by the buyer. There is some idea of an incomplete transaction there, and in "he who endures to the end shall be saved."

I still see it more in terms of adoption, though. Election pertains to the group - to the children of Abraham and his Seed. To "lose" salvation, one would have to leave that group. That isn't something that happens by chance, or because of a few bad decisions.

Even leaving may not be sufficient. One would have to join another, competing group. For instance, if one was to leave Christianity and become a convert to Islam... I think that might do the trick... although, Islam still traces its genesis back to Abraham.

 

[marks]

Elsewhere, the "seal" is referred to as an "earnest." An earnest is a down payment on something, but it does include the idea that the transaction can be canceled. Albeit, if the transaction IS canceled, the earnest is typically forfeit by the buyer. There is some idea of an incomplete transaction there, and in "he who endures to the end shall be saved."

I still see it more in terms of adoption, though. Election pertains to the group - to the children of Abraham and his Seed. To "lose" salvation, one would have to leave that group. That isn't something that happens by chance, or because of a few bad decisions.

Even leaving may not be sufficient. One would have to join another, competing group. For instance, if one was to leave Christianity and become a convert to Islam... I think that might do the trick... although, Islam still traces its genesis back to Abraham.

You'd have to spiritually die (though that life is from Jesus Himself) and be fleshy resurrected. And the seal and the earnest are not the same, the Holy Spirit is our earnest, and we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. One is something He is, the other is something He does.

And maybe for you there is the idea of it all being undone, but I don't see that being possible, given the statements made concerning those risen with Christ, those who are His childen. I wouldn't define God's covenants with Man according to human contracts. Men tend to break their promises, God does not.

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

Christ died for the whole world. It was always God's purpose that everyone be saved. That's not happening.

 

[Wick Stick]

You'd have to spiritually die (though that life is from Jesus Himself)

Yes. I define spiritual death as separation from the covenant, so that tracks.

...and be fleshy resurrected.

That's a novel idea. Don't think I've ever considered that one.

My thought was moreso that one would become part of a different covenant, that one would throw-in with a power or principality other than Christ. God forbid.

And the seal and the earnest are not the same, the Holy Spirit is our earnest, and we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. One is something He is, the other is something He does.

That wasn't my reading, but I'm not trying to convince you. Ultimately, my point here in writing here was that Christians are NOT in constant peril of losing their salvation.

I grew up in a Pentecostal church with Holiness doctrines. The thought that one could lose their salvation at any moment - "are you right with Jesus right now?" - was an unhealthy thing. One might walk into a room and not find someone there you expected, and the first thing that jumped to mind was... did everyone get raptured except me?

Since then, I've found... multiple problems... with that mindset. I spoke here to contradict THAT specifically.

And maybe for you there is the idea of it all being undone, but I don't see that being possible, given the statements made concerning those risen with Christ, those who are His childen. I wouldn't define God's covenants with Man according to human contracts. Men tend to break their promises, God does not.

Much love!

The idea isn't so much about the possibility of losing salvation.

The idea - which I don't think originates with me - is that ELECTION PERTAINS TO THE GROUP RATHER THAN INDIVIDUALS. We find it throughout the Old Testament, where election is only for Israel. And we have it in the New Testament, where election is only for believers.

The disagreements between Calvinists and Arminians dissolve when this is adopted as doctrine. Where the group is elected and predestined, pre-destination can co-exist with free will. Salvation is a matter of membership in the group, and membership in the group is mostly a matter of adoption.

The idea of some branches being "broken off" is a corollary to that idea, not the main idea.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Oh...u are not using the thief on the cross as a support for your belief anymore....why not?
You are wrong, sir, not me...the Bible .....SAYS SO!!!

Like believers today, did the thief know the 1 Cor 15:1-4 saving gospel that Christ would die, be buried then rise 3 days later so that the thief's sins could be forgiven ? No.
The thief simply believed and stated that Christ was who He said He was and thus was saved - by faith & a small work (spoke )

 

[PeterAndroz]

By returning to a sinful life...per scriptures.

Using per-scripture >>FROM PAUL<<, list the verses that support your claim.

 

[PeterAndroz]

U need a study of scriptures, with respect.

With respect U need to study scripture >>FROM PAUL<< that supports your claim

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can lose it by acting against your own conscience. Read 1 Corinthians 8. Paul is writing about a man of faith who is influenced by a teaching that was contrary to his conscience. Whether right or wrong made no difference. He sinned against what he thought to be right. We must, and this goes for everyone, live fully up to the light we have and understand. If we believe something to be wrong according to conscience, like smoking for example, but smoke because you meet a Christian who smokes, you have sinned. And as Paul said, the Christian was the cause of him perishing.

then you are under law not under grace.

You can not lose those things.. If you could. they would be called something else

Your salvation is based on your faith in what Christ did. If your relying on what you do or not do. your faith is in self. not christ.

 

[PeterAndroz]

then you are under law not under grace.

You can not lose those things.. If you could. they would be called something else

Your salvation is based on your faith in what Christ did. If your relying on what you do or not do. your faith is in self. not christ.

Excellent analysis, rebuttal then correction EG

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Your salvation is based on your faith in what Christ did. If your relying on what you do or not do. your faith is in self. not christ.

@Eternally Grateful

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

So Stop promoting “Once Saved Always Saved”.

“Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:” (Ezekiel 13:22)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

Why would use use a passage concerning the nation of Israel vs the gentiles. Warning the gentiles if they do not stay right, he will cut them off like he did Israel in 70Ad?

So Stop promoting “Once Saved Always Saved”.

Sorry brother. I will promote the grace of God that gives eternal life to all who trust him with a living faith. and a God who promises to never leave nor forsake his adopted children.

You want to teach a spirit of fear. feel free.

“Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:” (Ezekiel 13:22)

again. does not support your self righteous gospel of works.

Turn to christ my friend. I have begged you for years to repent and come to Christ, for he will save you completely.. And give you a spirit whereby you can cry out Abba Father

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Why would use use a passage concerning the nation of Israel vs the gentiles

What do you stand on faith for?

Salvation.

That passage has to do with salvation and how Israel must obtain salvation by faith.

The gentiles stand by faith.

Israel can also stand by faith and be reunited to God.

You must have been blinded to this scripture by your theology.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What do you stand on faith for?

Salvation.

That passage has to do with salvation and how Israel must obtain salvation by faith.

No.

the passage deals with the nation of Israel.

romans 11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

But even then, It is of grace nto works. so why do you preach works? rejecting grace?

The gentiles stand by faith.

Israel can also stand by faith and be reunited to God.

Thats not what the passage is about.

You must have been blinded to this scripture by your theology.

Or maybe you are?