Flat Earth Theory

[ScottA]

No, i did not trust AI data.

My research/info was accomplished years BEFORE:
a.) the globalists scrubbed the internet of factual verifiable scientific inquiry
b.) AI took over

I don't doubt that, but that is not what I was referring to. I believe David Lamb is old enough to discern what he has looked at and gathered from AI, and would not present the information if it was contrary to his own before knowledge. Perhaps he is not. But his AI info is not the reason I replied to you. But rather, I too have prior knowledge--not from AI or research, but from God--which David Lamb and AI confirm, which is apparently not what you believe.

Present Day Scientific Research

Look up at the moon = you can SEE the surface, craters.

FACTUAL Evidence: the moon is not 238,855 miles away

To even believe that, now that we are Saved in Christ, is ignorance = christians remain dumbed down under the globalist agenda

I explained why this is so in #2215.

 

[David in NJ]

This is the crux of the whole issue.

FULLY AGREE

Now, if the Body of Christ would recognize such, there would be revivals taking place in the hearts of His People called by His Name.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t doubt that NASA has lied or is not just claiming what they "think" is true based on the flawed approach of much of science.

AGREE - For NASA and other science platforms are governed by elite satanists.

However, I do doubt they didn’t account for their math being correct.

The elites know
The whole purpose of using highly intellectualized formulas and theories is to appear as if they higher knowledge by which to mock and ridicule the Holy Scriptures, thus they cover the minds of the whole world.

In FACT, God told us this!!!

But why do you gage sight by the terms and limits of this world?

Why would you believe a lie that is EASILY exposed by using your God given eyesight to SEE the surface of the moon WITHOUT any magnification!!!

Do you not believe that God can manifest by example that vision on earth is limited, while in heaven it is not?

Elaborate please - thank you

 

[David in NJ]

I don't doubt that, but that is not what I was referring to. I believe David Lamb is old enough to discern what he has looked at and gathered from AI, and would not present the information if it was contrary to his own before knowledge. Perhaps he is not. But his AI info is not the reason I replied to you. But rather, I too have prior knowledge--not from AI or research, but from God--which David Lamb and AI confirm, which is apparently not what you believe.


I explained why this is so in #2215.

FYI - i love @David Lamb and have no doubt whatsoever that DavidLamb is SAVED and loves the LORD.

 

[ScottA]

Why would you believe a lie that is EASILY exposed by using your God given eyesight to SEE the surface of the moon WITHOUT any magnification!!!

Your own eyes? Is that not leaning on your own understanding?

Elaborate please - thank you

I did elaborate already with scriptures that should have painted the picture with authority.

But the idea or premise is that God has told/shown us--as He promised through Isaiah 42:9--the difference between worldly sight and heavenly sight, by manifesting our atmosphere with limited vision, but the second heaven with greater vision.

Meaning a sight distance test done within our earths atmosphere is not enough of a test, not even scientifically.

 

[doctrox]

You said nothing was labeled as a photograph, and I showed that to be incorrect in a matter of minutes.

Rather, you assumed.

What is labeled as "photograph" is also referred to by other names, thereby compromising any integrity that a (legitimate) claim of "photograph" may have held, ala "Image Caption: This classic photograph of the Earth was taken on December 7, 1972."

I also clearly demonstrated that what NASA has labeled as a (legitimate) photograph is not, because said "photograph" contains artifacts (e.g. subliminal embeds).

NASA admits as much with its infamous "Blue Marble" [one of many composites] as posted on wikipedia's Space art page. "...a cropped, rotated, and processed version has become one of the most reproduced images in history."

To further "illustrate" the mix-and-match fraud:

"NASA has also applied the name [Blue Marble] to a 2012 series of images which cover the entire globe at relatively high resolution. These were created after a search of satellite pictures taken over time found as many cloudless photographs as possible for use in the final images. NASA has verified that the 2012 "blue marble" images are composites, made from multiple images taken from low Earth orbit, an altitude whose narrow field of view does not allow of photographing the entire planet at once. Likewise, these images do not fit together properly and, because of lighting, weather and cloud interference, it is impossible to collect cohesive or fully clear images of the entire Earth simultaneously." [emphases mine] - The Blue Marble, wikipedia

Question:

The earth has foundations. Where are those foundations on a globe?

Response:

At the center.
Do you picture a flat disk of the earth resting on pillars that stand on something else? You know a foundation is the solid underlay upon which something rests. Upon what are the earth's foundations?
Matthew 12:40 KJV
40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Where is the heart of the earth?

...a non-sequitur.

 

[David in NJ]

Your own eyes? Is that not leaning on your own understanding?

God gave us eyes to see His physical Creation with = use them correctly and you gain understanding!!!

Then there is "SEEING" that is equated to understanding what cannot be seen with the physical eyes.

JESUS said: Well did Isaiah prophesy saying: "seeing they see not.......

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But the idea or premise is that God has told/shown us--as He promised through Isaiah 42:9--the difference between worldly sight and heavenly sight, by manifesting our atmosphere with limited vision, but the second heaven with greater vision.

Second heaven = as in sun, moon, stars???

Meaning a sight distance test done within our earths atmosphere is not enough of a test, not even scientifically.

Flawed determinative because you contradicted yourself.

While it is true in certain aspects such as restrictive 'sight distance' towards the horizon = "our atmosphere with limited vision"

You contradicted your last statement: "but the second heaven with greater vision."

The moon(second heaven) can be SEEN with our natural eyes without contradiction.
Whereby our eyes of understanding expose a satanically falsified distance that is exposed as the globalist religion.

 

[David in NJ]

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At the center.

Do you picture a flat disk of the earth resting on pillars that stand on something else? You know a foundation is the solid underlay upon which something rests. Upon what are the earth's foundations?

Matthew 12:40 KJV
40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Where is the heart of the earth?

Much love!

How do you know that the "foundations of the earth are at the center of a ball/globe???

a.) You were told you live on a wet ball spinning at 1,000mph
b.) You interpret scripture based upon the premise of (a)

a + b = c

c.) indoctrination by globalists upon the world thru the controlled Edu-Mancation system

Edu-Mancation
Place a globe in every classroom beginning in kindergarten
Walt Disney/Sci-Fi movies /NASA blue & green screen technology/ Space Station in a giant submerged pool
Annointing/approving of the 'intellectual elites' as the only ones who could know such things!
PREVENT any OPEN discussion and scientific FACTS
When factual discovery is made that exposes their falsehood, ATTACK with VENGEANCE by firing those who oppose and rejecting/excluding/defaming/ridiculing those true scientists who can expose their errors.

Recently, approximately 21 high level scientists were systematically murdered.
What did those scientists recently discover that caused as many as 21 to be assassinated???

 

[ScottA]

God gave us eyes to see His physical Creation with = use them correctly and you gain understanding!!!

Then there is "SEEING" that is equated to understanding what cannot be seen with the physical eyes.

JESUS said: Well did Isaiah prophesy saying: "seeing they see not.......

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Second heaven = as in sun, moon, stars???



Flawed determinative because you contradicted yourself.

While it is true in certain aspects such as restrictive 'sight distance' towards the horizon = "our atmosphere with limited vision"

You contradicted your last statement: "but the second heaven with greater vision."

The moon(second heaven) can be SEEN with our natural eyes without contradiction.
Whereby our eyes of understanding expose a satanically falsified distance that is exposed as the globalist religion.

There is no contradiction to what I said, but rather a noted difference that reflects the truth from God, making it a perfect example of Him revealing truth as it is even within these lower regions of this world. It is a brilliant example--not given by me--but by God.

The question then becomes, why would anyone look at it differently than God has said those differences are comparing heaven and earth, even calling these heavens "heavens?" Why would any child of God not consider that clear correlation, and understand that the heavens ultimately have clearer vision--when vision from God comes from heaven?

Given this to be true, as God is true, and the heavens are higher as He is higher, what should be observed, is that vision in this worldly, earthly atmosphere is far less clear (even cloudy) by comparison--because comparison is what He has provided. Which is to say, that yes, horizontal line of sight would be amidst a layer of limited view, but then a vertical line of sight would continue greatly clearer beyond those few short miles of the earth's atmosphere.

 

[Biblica]

God's word does not say that the earth is a circle. I imagine you are thinking of this verse:

NKJV Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

But that verses doesn't say, " It is He who sits above the earth, and the earth is a circle." "The circle of the earth" no more means that the earth is a circle than "the wheels of the bus" means that the bus is wheels. Or take a biblical example:

NKJV Psa 102:6 I am like a pelican of the wilderness; I am like an owl of the desert.

Is the wilderness a pelican? Is the desert an owl? Of course not.

Going back to Isaiah 40:22, I understand that the word translated "circle" there can also mean "circuit" or "compass":

KJV Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

KJV Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

But of course I might be wrong, and you might have some verse other than Isaiah 40:22 in mind.

You are inserting your own interpretation into a simple statement. The text refers to the earth as a circle. If you were looking at the moon you would say that it is a circle. The earth is a circle, but it is not a ball according to the Hebrew.

 

[David in NJ]

God's word does not say that the earth is a circle. I imagine you are thinking of this verse:

NKJV Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

But that verses doesn't say, " It is He who sits above the earth, and the earth is a circle." "The circle of the earth" no more means that the earth is a circle than "the wheels of the bus" means that the bus is wheels. Or take a biblical example:

NKJV Psa 102:6 I am like a pelican of the wilderness; I am like an owl of the desert.

Is the wilderness a pelican? Is the desert an owl? Of course not.

Going back to Isaiah 40:22, I understand that the word translated "circle" there can also mean "circuit" or "compass":

KJV Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

KJV Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

But of course I might be wrong, and you might have some verse other than Isaiah 40:22 in mind.

@Biblica is CORRECT in his/her reply to you on the word "circle" = Post #2,270

The HOLY SPIRIT used two different words:
for "circle"

Isaiah 40:22
the circle
ח֣וּג (ḥūḡ)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 2329: 1) circle, circuit, compass 2) (BDB) vault (of the heavens)

If the earth were a globe/sphere/ball God would of told us, for HE is the Creator!!!

God tells us we are not on a sphere/globe/ball

Isaiah 22:18
into a ball,
כַּדּ֕וּר (kad·dūr)
Preposition, Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1754: 1) ball, circle 1a) circle 1b) ball

Always believe God's words over that of the globalists religion

 

[Justified]

@Biblica is CORRECT in his/her reply to you on the word "circle" = Post #2,270

The HOLY SPIRIT used two different words:
for "circle"

Isaiah 40:22
the circle
ח֣וּג (ḥūḡ)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 2329: 1) circle, circuit, compass 2) (BDB) vault (of the heavens)

If the earth were a globe/sphere/ball God would of told us, for HE is the Creator!!!

God tells us we are not on a sphere/globe/ball

Isaiah 22:18
into a ball,
כַּדּ֕וּר (kad·dūr)
Preposition, Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1754: 1) ball, circle 1a) circle 1b) ball

Always believe God's words over that of the globalists religion

Except you don’t. You believe your interpretation of what the Bible says.

Job 37:3 Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.

According to your method of interpretation, the earth here is described as a polygon of unknown number of sides.

Isa 11:12 He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Rev 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.

Rev 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.

According to your method of interpretation, the earth in those passages is described as a polygon of four sides.

It seems to me that since polygons are mentioned four times and a circle only once, that the earth is more likely to be a polygon, according to your reasoning.

Or, what is most likely, especially since God is everywhere, Isa. 40:22 and all the passages above are speaking metaphorically. The earth is a sphere and if God were to be sitting above it, it would appear as a circle.

 

[Justified]

Please elaborate - thank you

Elaborate on what? I’ve been very clear in the questions I’m asking and you’re clearly avoiding answering.

 

[David in NJ]

Except you don’t. You believe your interpretation of what the Bible says.

Job 37:3 Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.

According to your method of interpretation, the earth here is described as a polygon of unknown number of sides.

Isa 11:12 He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Rev 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.

Rev 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.

According to your method of interpretation, the earth in those passages is described as a polygon of four sides.

It seems to me that since polygons are mentioned four times and a circle only once, that the earth is more likely to be a polygon, according to your reasoning.

Or, what is most likely, especially since God is everywhere, Isa. 40:22 and all the passages above are speaking metaphorically. The earth is a sphere and if God were to be sitting above it, it would appear as a circle.

What you are troubled in is this = contradictions in Scripture

There are a few God Ordained contradictions in Scripture for us to solve by the leading of the Holy Spirit.
This was intended by God for a few reasons which i will not get into now.

When the Holy Spirit reveals the height, depth and width of these seemingly contradictions, we begin to SEE more clearly and our understanding increases.

Is it easier to fit a circle in a square or to place a square in a circle?
If the square is larger then the circle, then the circle is contained within the square.
The "four corners" in fact could be relative to the truth that the whole of surface of the earth, where mankind dwells, is covered in all directions by the four angels.

Creation Science Fact = If the earth were a globe, there would necessitate 8 angels to cover the 8 corners of a globe/ball earth.

Once again, Genesis continues to be sounded throughout scripture.

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

Elaborate on what? I’ve been very clear in the questions I’m asking and you’re clearly avoiding answering.

So you are unable to elaborate on your own comment?

ok then

SHALOM and Good Night Brother

Please lift UP prayer for my son Daniel(20) as he is in serious need of healing from an unkown attack on his body.
Also prayer for safety as i am older now and have dangerous work to fulfill tomorrow.

Thank You

 

[Biblica]

Except you don’t. You believe your interpretation of what the Bible says.

Job 37:3 Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.

According to your method of interpretation, the earth here is described as a polygon of unknown number of sides.

Isa 11:12 He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Rev 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.

Rev 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.

According to your method of interpretation, the earth in those passages is described as a polygon of four sides.

It seems to me that since polygons are mentioned four times and a circle only once, that the earth is more likely to be a polygon, according to your reasoning.

Or, what is most likely, especially since God is everywhere, Isa. 40:22 and all the passages above are speaking metaphorically. The earth is a sphere and if God were to be sitting above it, it would appear as a circle.

The earth is an oblate pear shaped spheroid according to the scientists and that means it is not the perfect photo shopped globe we all been conditioned to believe is our planet. An oblate spheroid is squat on top and that is possibly where the flat earth resides.

 

[doctrox]

...according to the scientists...

There's the bugaboo.

The earth is an oblate pear shaped spheroid according to the scientists and that means it is not the perfect photo shopped globe we all been conditioned to believe is our planet.

"oblate pear shaped spheroid" versus "photo shopped globe" - both are false narratives. The psyop would now have us wasting precious time synthesizing/harmonizing the two ostensibly opposing views.

 

[Justified]

What you are troubled in is this = contradictions in Scripture

There are a few God Ordained contradictions in Scripture for us to solve by the leading of the Holy Spirit.
This was intended by God for a few reasons which i will not get into now.

When the Holy Spirit reveals the height, depth and width of these seemingly contradictions, we begin to SEE more clearly and our understanding increases.

Is it easier to fit a circle in a square or to place a square in a circle?
If the square is larger then the circle, then the circle is contained within the square.
The "four corners" in fact could be relative to the truth that the whole of surface of the earth, where mankind dwells, is covered in all directions by the four angels.

Creation Science Fact = If the earth were a globe, there would necessitate 8 angels to cover the 8 corners of a globe/ball earth.

Once again, Genesis continues to be sounded throughout scripture.

SHALOM

Lol! That’s one way to ignore the obvious problem with your method of interpretation. Either the earth is a circle or it is a polygon, not both. Your reasoning and exegesis both need a lot of work.

 

[Justified]

The earth is an oblate pear shaped spheroid according to the scientists and that means it is not the perfect photo shopped globe we all been conditioned to believe is our planet. An oblate spheroid is squat on top and that is possibly where the flat earth resides.

An oblate spheroid with a difference in diameters of about 26 miles—a difference of 0.3%. It will look round to the naked eye.

 

[Justified]

So you are unable to elaborate on your own comment?

ok then

What I said goes with saying; no elaboration should be needed because it is common sense. If the earth is round, and it definitely is, a person will see further in a straight line from a higher vantage point, and even further it where they’re looking is also higher.

Are you going to answer my questions?