MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

[PeterAndroz]

No. Fact!

Verses W, verses, not compliments or self-praising

 

[ewq1938]

When did the two resurrections in Daniel take place?

All the passages are speaking of the same two resurrections and they are future. The saved resurrect at the Coming and "the rest of the dead" resurrect after a thousand years.

 

[PeterAndroz]

All the passages are speaking of the same two resurrections and they are future. The saved resurrect at the Coming and "the rest of the dead" resurrect after a thousand years.

You & I probably wont agree with everything but at least you are willing to politely discuss differences
"the Coming"
I believe that for believers today that is only 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52
What are your views ?

 

[ewq1938]

You & I probably wont agree with everything but at least you are willing to politely discuss differences
"the Coming"
I believe that for believers today that is only 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52
What are your views ?

Those both discuss things that happen at the second coming. Not sure what you meant by "only".

 

[PeterAndroz]

Those both discuss things that happen at the second coming. Not sure what you meant by "only".

Matt 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
There is a 'coming' after this yet I don't see where Paul teaches a GREAT TRIBULATION before the 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52 'coming'
Are there verses from Paul that you believe teach the same GT as in Matt 24:21 ?

 

[WPM]

Verses W, verses, not compliments or self-praising

More avoidance. That is all you have here. You cannot address the numerous holes in what you have been taught.

 

[ewq1938]

Matt 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
There is a 'coming' after this yet I don't see where Paul teaches a GREAT TRIBULATION before the 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52 'coming'
Are there verses from Paul that you believe teach the same GT as in Matt 24:21 ?

He says this which is the same timeframe:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Things happening before the second coming: Deception, Apostasy by Christians, man of sin (AC) claiming to be God, destroyed at second coming.

Paul spoke a lot about tribulation in his life and the life of believers so no surprise he doesn't really need to add that in these verses as it should be assumed.

 

[markalan]

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I would like to suggest a little word study that I found helpful ... look up the Greek word translated "temple" (naos) and see how Paul consistently uses this word, especially in the expressioin "the temple of God".

 

[Truth7t7]

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You post the description on the Millennialist view why?

The information provided is false, and I'm fully aware of the false teaching you present, perhaps you need to address my post and show me in Rev 20:1-6 where a literal kingdom, throne, or mortal humans on this earth are seen, I eagerly await your response?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[ewq1938]

I would like to suggest a little word study that I found helpful ... look up the Greek word translated "temple" (naos) and see how Paul consistently uses this word, especially in the expressioin "the temple of God".

There's no secret thing there. Most know about that symbolism.

 

[markalan]

There's no secret thing there. Most know about that symbolism.

From my online forum experience, I would say that most regard the temple in 2 Thes 2:4 as literal.

 

[Truth7t7]

All the passages are speaking of the same two resurrections and they are future. The saved resurrect at the Coming and "the rest of the dead" resurrect after a thousand years.

Your Claim Is "False"

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.