Actually Jesus returns twice...
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Great tribulation like nothing ever before and never shall again be has come and shall continue until Christ has built (completed) His church even as the gates of hell continue to stop it! Can you name a single entity or enterprise unto this earth that has withstood the persecution and great tribulation that has come against the church on earth that continues still to keep growing? The answer of course is no! Nothing has ever been called to endure such great tribulation from every force of evil imaginable upon the earth and yet continue to steadily grow!
Again, you fail to prove this seven-years tribulation from the Bible! I'm not interested in hearing what you think or what you believe from each chapter of the Bible. I will not believe what you believe to be truth if you cannot prove your beliefs come FROM the Bible. It seems you've read your doctrine INTO the Word of God, and for that reason you are unable to prove what you allege.
Exactly where is Dan 9 prove a seven year tribulation? I assume you find it somewhere in this passage? But I find nothing here to prove a seven-year tribulation.
Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
A divine occurrence.
Remember ...in the twinkling of an eye...does that suggest the 2nd advent of Christ? No.
Otherfwise one must conclude that He comes twice.
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""already gone through it .....????""
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Preterists need to advise exactly when Matt 24:21 occurred
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
That Someone would be Christ
1 Thess 4:16-17
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 thes 1
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Yes
When he comes in glory postrib to do battle after the 7 yr trib.
Once the pure word of God is presented, we see zero of any postrib rapture.
He comes postrib with the saints, as rev 19 declares. The bride has become the wife, in heaven, and is in heaven 7 yrs.
THEY go WITH JESUS TO EARTH, exactly as mat 24 declares.
"Angels are sent IN HEAVEN, to gather the elect, who are IN HEAVEN, To the white horses, IN HEAVEN.
IT SAYS "Jesus SENDS ANGELS to gather.
NOT , "Jesus gathers"
Such clarity in Gods word.
NO postrib rapture implied or anywhere in those passages.
....or anywhere else in the bible.
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Jude does not say all the saints are coming with Him from heaven
14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
All saints on earth rise in the air to meet with Christ who is descending from Heaven on the Last Day, who brings with him all the departed saints who died prior to His coming.
Then comes the destruction of the wicked, and those who do not know God or Him, who are also wicked cause they refused to believe Christ's gospel of salvation..
Then comes the destruction of the wicked, and those who do not know God or Him, who are also wicked cause they refused to believe Christ's gospel of salvation..
Chapter 4, then chapter 5 in immediate time sequence as Paul is teaching on the Day of the Lord
The Comfort of Christ’s Coming
Chapter and verse numbers are not scripture, they were put in place by some monk long time ago, they are artificial text breaks.
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
VERY NEXT CHAPTER 5 CONTINUES ON, and it related chapter 4 as in what happens next! The sudden destruction of the wicked unbelieving
1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.
At the rapture Christ doesn't come and stand on the earth.
Is the rapture THE second coming? Technically no. But, it is a coming of Christ.
yes, this is a problem for them
. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
It's one of the reasons it's considered as heresy.
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