When Doctrine Corrects Christ

[ProDeo]

You changed the subject again.

Nobody said Scripture contains no future events.

The question is whether a future event somehow resurrects an obsolete covenant, recreates two covenant peoples, and turns modern geopolitical Israel into the New Testament definition of Israel.

It does not.

You quoted Zechariah 12 and asked when they looked on Him whom they pierced.

John already answered you.

John 19:37 applies Zechariah 12:10 directly to Christ’s crucifixion.

So once again, the apostle interprets the prophet, and you run past the apostle looking for the fulfillment your system prefers.

Romans 11 does not save the argument either.

Paul gives you ONE olive tree.

Branches stand by faith.
Branches are broken off through unbelief.
They are grafted back in if they do not remain in unbelief.

That is not:

modern state + bloodline + land covenant + separate destiny.

That is:

ONE TREE.
ONE ROOT.
ONE MESSIAH.
ONE PEOPLE BY FAITH.

So stop saying “Israel” and quietly smuggling a modern nation-state, ethnicity, territory, and separate covenant into the word.

Paul put none of that there.

And a future prophecy does not resurrect a covenant Hebrews calls obsolete.

A future prophecy does not breathe life back into a covenant God has already superseded in Christ.

If your system requires that obsolete covenant to rise again, then your system is not following the New Testament; it's trying to undo it while still calling itself Christianity.


Repent.

So, what do you believe....

Matt 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
Matt 25:32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Also already happened ?

 

[amigo de christo]

He may return any second!

So the question now is , IS
who is truly HIS . WHO is truly following the very CHRIST JESUS of GOD and not rather another jesus created in the image
of the RCC , or maybe the nar realm , EITHER case IS bad news .
Pretty simple to sum it up that ANYTHING connected in any way , to anyone of ecumeinalism
NOT LOOKING GOOD .
For the inclusive god of anti christ intefaith is their god NOW . and that one cannot save .
For more info , as to see what JESUS or jesus, what GOD or god we been following , I SAY OPEN BIBLE
and read and enjoy and DO NOT DO SO through denominatial lenses or THE RCC lenses .
Cause THEY FLEECING THE FLOCKS RIGHT TO A LIE . they have DECIEVED this people . I will expose them all and their wicked
peace plan and ther inclusive god and its doctrine . Cause WHEN THIS KING JESUS does return
MANY GONNA WIAL as never they have wailed before. Let us open those bibles . And do be enouraged in the LORD .

 

[Jack]

Preterists have Satanic imaginations!

 

[Jack]

So the question now is , IS
who is truly HIS .

Simple, Israel whom God will give new hearts and cause them to turn to Him. Ezekiel!

WHO is truly following the very CHRIST JESUS of GOD and not rather another jesus created in the image
of the RCC , or maybe the nar realm , EITHER case IS bad news .
Pretty simple to sum it up that ANYTHING connected in any way , to anyone of ecumeinalism
NOT LOOKING GOOD .
For the inclusive god of anti christ intefaith is their god NOW . and that one cannot save .
For more info , as to see what JESUS or jesus, what GOD or god we been following , I SAY OPEN BIBLE
and read and enjoy and DO NOT DO SO through denominatial lenses or THE RCC lenses .
Cause THEY FLEECING THE FLOCKS RIGHT TO A LIE . they have DECIEVED this people . I will expose them all and their wicked
peace plan and ther inclusive god and its doctrine . Cause WHEN THIS KING JESUS does return
MANY GONNA WIAL as never they have wailed before. Let us open those bibles . And do be enouraged in the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

He may return any second!

wanna know what the ecumeincal pro israel has in common with the ecuemincal pro paliestine .
SAME LIE IS IN THEIR PEACE PLAN . SAME LIE . they gonna merge under this lie .
Wanna know what the liberal left and the evangelical conservative right and pro trump have in common .
SAME LIE .
And they suckle now from the tits of a harlot and gulp down her milk of fornication that she calleth inclusive love
and chew on her meat of ANTI CHRIST INTEFAITH .
OOPSY , WE BEENS LIED TOO fellows . LIED TOO and LIED TO BY BOTH SIDES .

 

[Jack]

wanna know what the ecumeincal pro israel has in common with the ecuemincal pro paliestine .
SAME LIE IS IN THEIR PEACE PLAN . SAME LIE . they gonna merge under this lie .
Wanna know what the liberal left and the evangelical conservative right and pro trump have in common .
SAME LIE .
And they suckle now from the tits of a harlot and gulp down her milk of fornication that she calleth inclusive love
and chew on her meat of ANTI CHRIST INTEFAITH .
OOPSY , WE BEENS LIED TOO fellows . LIED TOO and LIED TO BY BOTH SIDES .

Well I don't know about that but I know Jesus will return to Israel and destroy their enemies when He returns to Jerusalem, the Land of the Bible.

 

[amigo de christo]

Simple, Israel whom God will give new hearts and cause them to turn to Him. Ezekiel!

the new hearts Was and is given the moment they RECIEVE JESUS .
That in ezekial has been going on FOR A LONG TIME now .
someone is fooling folks . and i sure seem to notice that over the years
those who bought into this JH , as in JOHN HAGEE , and he aint alone either ,
SURE seemed to have stop witnessing to the jews . GUES STHEY THINKS that right at the end
ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERY JEW GONNA BELEIVE .
Som eone lied to them all . perhaps twisting what paul wrote .
That IS THE ONE THING i also notice amongst all camps . whether liberal , conservative
whether protestant leaders or RCC ones .
MAN ARE THEY LIPS REAL QUIET about the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON JESUS
and man do those lips flap more and more about SOME KIND of end time saving .
ONL Y JESUS never told the jews
HEY no worries if you dont believe on me NOW , YOU WILL at the end . NO SIR .
HE REBUKED THEM , as even did paul who said sEEING you count youserlves unworthy OF EVERLASTING LIFE , ETERNAL LIFE .
KINDA ODD . that in all them groups TODAY i see NO SUCH Urgency about BELEIVING ON JESUS .
I SEE rather SOME KIND OF END TIME KUYMBIA plan of salvation . TALK about A Delusion .
WHEN , if we would but read our bible we had seen ExAcTLY WHO them apostels preached
IN EVERY JEWISH SYNAGOUe to JEWS AND TO GREEKS and etc .
SEEMS TO ME they were concerned at all ABOUT FINDING COMMON GROUND
SEEMS TO ME THEY WERE NOT FOCuSED ON WORLD PEACE .
SOMETHING WENT DEAD WRONG jack . DEAD wrong jack . and do i mean DEAD as in SEconD
death leading too , DEAD Wrong .

 

[Jack]

the new hearts Was and is given the moment they RECIEVE JESUS .

And they will! God said so.

That in ezekial has been going on FOR A LONG TIME now .
someone is fooling folks . and i sure seem to notice that over the years
those who bought into this JH , as in JOHN HAGEE , and he aint alone either ,
SURE seemed to have stop witnessing to the jews . GUES STHEY THINKS that right at the end
ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERY JEW GONNA BELEIVE .
Som eone lied to them all . perhaps twisting what paul wrote .
That IS THE ONE THING i also notice amongst all camps . whether liberal , conservative
whether protestant leaders or RCC ones .
MAN ARE THEY LIPS REAL QUIET about the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON JESUS
and man do those lips flap more and more about SOME KIND of end time saving .
ONL Y JESUS never told the jews
HEY no worries if you dont believe on me NOW , YOU WILL at the end . NO SIR .
HE REBUKED THEM , as even did paul who said sEEING you count youserlves unworthy OF EVERLASTING LIFE , ETERNAL LIFE .
KINDA ODD . that in all them groups TODAY i see NO SUCH Urgency about BELEIVING ON JESUS .
I SEE rather SOME KIND OF END TIME KUYMBIA plan of salvation . TALK about A Delusion .
WHEN , if we would but read our bible we had seen ExAcTLY WHO them apostels preached
IN EVERY JEWISH SYNAGOUe to JEWS AND TO GREEKS and etc .
SEEMS TO ME they were concerned at all ABOUT FINDING COMMON GROUND
SEEMS TO ME THEY WERE NOT FOCuSED ON WORLD PEACE .
SOMETHING WENT DEAD WRONG jack . DEAD wrong jack . and do i mean DEAD as in SEconD
death leading too , DEAD Wrong .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well I don't know about that but I know Jesus will return to Israel and destroy their enemies when He returns to Jerusalem, the Land of the Bible.

OH it do clearly say HE will step down upon the mount of olives .
But know t his . WHEN HE COMETH
many jews gonna wail as they are cast OUT of the KINGDOM
NO JEW , NO GENTILE who rejected JESUS CHRIST
is gonna have any joy AT HIS COMING but rather EYES BULGED OUT in TOTAL TERROR
as the wrath and plagues and mighty destruction of GOD and THE LAMB begins to fall upon them all .
AND as you said , TIMES RUNNING OUT . on that YOU ARE CORRECT .
FOR when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , LOOK OUT CAUSE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION FALLS UPON THEM ALL .
And no wonder or marvel . cause i seen WHAT IS IN THIS INTERFIATH peace plan .
TOTAL DENIAL OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS . SO yeah THAT WONT BODE WELL for any who joined hands WITH IT .

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

This isn’t hard and is easily demonstrable…

All you have to do is project God’s Word on the jumbo screens of an auditorium so the whole audience can read it, then let Hagee just preach for an hour.

That’s the whole act.
No comedian needed. No writers, no punchlines.

Just let him preach while Matthew 21, Romans 9, Galatians 3, Ephesians 2, 1 Peter 2, and Hebrews 8 sit twenty feet tall behind him contradicting him in real time. The auditorium would eventually stop knowing whether it was attending a prophecy conference or witnessing an accidental theological comedy roast. Everything he says keeps colliding with the Word of God being projected behind him.

You could take the comedy show on tour opening for Dave Chappelle, except after the first night Dave would have to open for Hagee because the Hagee act would be impossible to follow. You’d need medics in the lobby just from people laughing themselves unconscious in the seats.

Ready Hagee? Okay, projecting the NT quotes behind you now....... Annnnnd, start preaching. Let em have have it buddy.

Meanwhile, behind him its:

Matthew 21:43 — the kingdom is taken and given. Not paused, not put on prophetic layaway, not reserved by bloodline.
Romans 9:6 — descent from Israel does not itself equal Israel. Paul destroys the idea that genealogy alone settles covenant identity.
Romans 2:28–29 — the decisive mark is inward, not merely outward. Circumcision of the heart outranks fleshly pedigree.
Galatians 3:7 — those of faith are Abraham’s children. Paul ties Abrahamic sonship to faith, not ancestry.
Galatians 3:28–29 — if you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed and heir. Paul does not add a second qualification about race.
Philippians 3:3 — “we are the circumcision” and we put “no confidence in the flesh.”
1 Timothy 1:4 “...nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.”
Ephesians 2:14–15 — Christ makes the two one. Not two covenant tracks running side by side forever.
1 Peter 2:9–10 — believers in Christ are called the "chosen race, royal priesthood, holy nation, God’s people".
Peter applies Israel’s covenant language directly to the Church.
Hebrews 8:13 — the former covenant is called obsolete. Not dormant. Not paused. Obsolete. Decommissioned. Superseded. No longer the governing covenant. The covenant God recognizes as operative now is the New Covenant established in Christ.
Hebrews 10:9 — “He takes away the first in order to establish the second.” First removed, second established.


Ignatius disciple/hearer of John - “It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus, and to Judaize.”
Ignatius disciple/hearer of John - “If any one preach the Jewish law unto you, do not listen to them.”

^ Hagee apparently didn't get the memo..


And it’s at that point you suddenly stop laughing after an hour with tears still in your eyes; along with the rest of the audience and ask yourself “What in the heck am I actually following? Because it sure isn’t God’s Word.”

“Apparently I’ve spent my life believing the evil Wookiees ruled the galaxy under King Chewbacca and Emperor Palpatine was really a Christian self-help motivational speaker.”

“Well… that’s what I was “taught” anyway.”

And then you think back to when you first heard that old serpent..

"Our interpretation is not contradicted by God’s Word. Your inability to find it in the text merely proves that you do not understand God’s Word. The text does not naturally produce our doctrine, so you must first accept our doctrine in order to understand God’s Word. You cannot yet see what Christ really meant because you have not learned our system. Accept our doctrine, and then you will understand why His words do not always mean what they appear to mean."


And that's how a man can spend his whole life reading the Bible while being trained not to believe what it says.

 

[Jack]

OH it do clearly say HE will step down upon the mount of olives .
But know t his . WHEN HE COMETH
many jews gonna wail as they are cast OUT of the KINGDOM
NO JEW , NO GENTILE who rejected JESUS CHRIST
is gonna have any joy AT HIS COMING but rather EYES BULGED OUT in TOTAL TERROR
as the wrath and plagues and mighty destruction of GOD and THE LAMB begins to fall upon them all .
AND as you said , TIMES RUNNING OUT . on that YOU ARE CORRECT .
FOR when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , LOOK OUT CAUSE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION FALLS UPON THEM ALL .
And no wonder or marvel . cause i seen WHAT IS IN THIS INTERFIATH peace plan .
TOTAL DENIAL OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS . SO yeah THAT WONT BODE WELL for any who joined hands WITH IT .

God brought Israel Home to save them and give them new hearts.

Ezekiel 36:24-26
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

 

[amigo de christo]

God brought Israel Home to save them and give them new hearts.

Ezekiel 36:24-26
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Yes we sure were to have corrected our neighbor and now have allowed sin , UNBLEIF upon them .
Guess what ol amigo spotted . an ecumeincal h arlot , her inclusive father who is satan
and a big ol PEACE plan they beleive is gonna usher in world peace n safety .
GUESS what is in their peace plan and guess what got totally denied .
A FAT LIE is in that peace plan and THE GOSPEL OF JESUS TOTALLY DENIED
and yet this ecmeincal pro israel or pro palestine plan AND THE SAME LIE
will merge all religoins and all will believe HEY this is how we get WORLD PEACE N SAFETY .
Now it sure does make sense what paul wrote long long ago .
FOR WHEN THEY SHALL SAY PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION BEFALLS THEM ALL .
And do i need to say WHY that was . CAUSE read again what i just wrote.
THEIR BELOVED PEACE PLAN DENIED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST . SO AINT NO WAY ITS THE PEACE PLAN OF GOD .
IT OF the dark one . And HE SURE DO LIe dont he . OH he sure does lie .

 

[Jack]

This isn’t hard and is easily demonstrable…

All you have to do is project God’s Word on the jumbo screens of an auditorium so the whole audience can read it, then let Hagee just preach for an hour.

That’s the whole act.
No comedian needed. No writers, no punchlines.

Just let him preach while Matthew 21, Romans 9, Galatians 3, Ephesians 2, 1 Peter 2, and Hebrews 8 sit twenty feet tall behind him contradicting him in real time. The auditorium would eventually stop knowing whether it was attending a prophecy conference or witnessing an accidental theological comedy roast. Everything he says keeps colliding with the Word of God being projected behind him.

You could take the comedy show on tour opening for Dave Chappelle, except halfway through the first night Dave would have to open for Hagee because the Hagee act would be impossible to follow. You’d need medics in the lobby just from people laughing themselves unconscious in the seats.

Ready Hagee? Okay, projecting the NT quotes behind you now....... Annnnnd, start preaching. Let em have have it buddy.

Matthew 21:43 — the kingdom is taken and given.
Romans 9:6 — descent from Israel does not itself equal Israel. Paul destroys the idea that genealogy alone settles covenant identity.
Romans 2:28–29 — the decisive mark is inward, not merely outward. Circumcision of the heart outranks fleshly pedigree.
Galatians 3:7 — those of faith are Abraham’s children. Paul ties Abrahamic sonship to faith, not ancestry.
Galatians 3:28–29 — if you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed and heir. Paul does not add a second qualification about race.
Philippians 3:3 — “we are the circumcision” and we put “no confidence in the flesh.”
1 Timothy 1:4 “...nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.”
Ephesians 2:14–15 — Christ makes the two one. Not two covenant tracks running side by side forever.
1 Peter 2:9–10 — believers in Christ are called the "chosen race, royal priesthood, holy nation, God’s people".
Peter applies Israel’s covenant language directly to the Church.
Hebrews 8:13 — the former covenant is called obsolete. Not dormant. Not paused. Obsolete. Decommissioned. Superseded. No longer the governing covenant. The covenant God recognizes as operative now is the New Covenant established in Christ.
Hebrews 10:9 — “He takes away the first in order to establish the second.” First removed, second established. The sentence is not hiding.


And it’s at that point you suddenly stop laughing after an hour with tears still in your eyes; along with the rest of the audience and ask yourself “What in the heck am I actually following? Because it sure isn’t God’s Word.”

“Apparently I’ve spent my life believing the evil Wookiees ruled the galaxy under King Chewbacca and Emperor Palpatine was really a Christian self-help motivational speaker.”

“Well… that’s what I was “taught” anyway.”

And then you think back to when you first heard that old serpent..

"Our interpretation is not contradicted by God’s Word. Your inability to find it in the text merely proves that you do not understand God’s Word. The text does not naturally produce our doctrine, so you must first accept our doctrine in order to understand God’s Word. You cannot yet see what Christ really meant because you have not learned our system. Accept our doctrine, and then you will understand why His words do not really mean what they appear to mean."


And thats how a man can spend his whole life reading the Bible while being trained not to believe what it says.

Sounds like a confession!

 

[amigo de christo]

This isn’t hard and is easily demonstrable…

All you have to do is project God’s Word on the jumbo screens of an auditorium so the whole audience can read it, then let Hagee just preach for an hour.

That’s the whole act.
No comedian needed. No writers, no punchlines.

Just let him preach while Matthew 21, Romans 9, Galatians 3, Ephesians 2, 1 Peter 2, and Hebrews 8 sit twenty feet tall behind him contradicting him in real time. The auditorium would eventually stop knowing whether it was attending a prophecy conference or witnessing an accidental theological comedy roast. Everything he says keeps colliding with the Word of God being projected behind him.

You could take the comedy show on tour opening for Dave Chappelle, except after the first night Dave would have to open for Hagee because the Hagee act would be impossible to follow. You’d need medics in the lobby just from people laughing themselves unconscious in the seats.

Ready Hagee? Okay, projecting the NT quotes behind you now....... Annnnnd, start preaching. Let em have have it buddy.

Matthew 21:43 — the kingdom is taken and given.
Romans 9:6 — descent from Israel does not itself equal Israel. Paul destroys the idea that genealogy alone settles covenant identity.
Romans 2:28–29 — the decisive mark is inward, not merely outward. Circumcision of the heart outranks fleshly pedigree.
Galatians 3:7 — those of faith are Abraham’s children. Paul ties Abrahamic sonship to faith, not ancestry.
Galatians 3:28–29 — if you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed and heir. Paul does not add a second qualification about race.
Philippians 3:3 — “we are the circumcision” and we put “no confidence in the flesh.”
1 Timothy 1:4 “...nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.”
Ephesians 2:14–15 — Christ makes the two one. Not two covenant tracks running side by side forever.
1 Peter 2:9–10 — believers in Christ are called the "chosen race, royal priesthood, holy nation, God’s people".
Peter applies Israel’s covenant language directly to the Church.
Hebrews 8:13 — the former covenant is called obsolete. Not dormant. Not paused. Obsolete. Decommissioned. Superseded. No longer the governing covenant. The covenant God recognizes as operative now is the New Covenant established in Christ.
Hebrews 10:9 — “He takes away the first in order to establish the second.” First removed, second established. The sentence is not hiding.


Ignatius disciple/hearer of John - “It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus, and to Judaize.”
Ignatius disciple/hearer of John - “If any one preach the Jewish law unto you, do not listen to them.”

^ Hagee apparently didn't get the memo..


And it’s at that point you suddenly stop laughing after an hour with tears still in your eyes; along with the rest of the audience and ask yourself “What in the heck am I actually following? Because it sure isn’t God’s Word.”

“Apparently I’ve spent my life believing the evil Wookiees ruled the galaxy under King Chewbacca and Emperor Palpatine was really a Christian self-help motivational speaker.”

“Well… that’s what I was “taught” anyway.”

And then you think back to when you first heard that old serpent..

"Our interpretation is not contradicted by God’s Word. Your inability to find it in the text merely proves that you do not understand God’s Word. The text does not naturally produce our doctrine, so you must first accept our doctrine in order to understand God’s Word. You cannot yet see what Christ really meant because you have not learned our system. Accept our doctrine, and then you will understand why His words do not really mean what they appear to mean."


And that's how a man can spend his whole life reading the Bible while being trained not to believe what it says.

verily verily i do type unto thee
let no man woman or child heed john HAGEE .
and that is a fact . he lied to the churches , he lied to the jews . His book was but dung the moment he lied .
This might seem as hate to some , as perhaps even blasphemous to others ,
BUT the unbeleiving jew will wail as loudly as the unbelieving gentile . NO FAITH IN JESUS is a second death sentence
for sure and for certain . ALL unbelivers WILL have their part in the LAKE of fire .

 

[Marvelloustime]

So the question now is , IS
who is truly HIS . WHO is truly following the very CHRIST JESUS of GOD and not rather another jesus created in the image
of the RCC , or maybe the nar realm , EITHER case IS bad news .
Pretty simple to sum it up that ANYTHING connected in any way , to anyone of ecumeinalism
NOT LOOKING GOOD .
For the inclusive god of anti christ intefaith is their god NOW . and that one cannot save .
For more info , as to see what JESUS or jesus, what GOD or god we been following , I SAY OPEN BIBLE
and read and enjoy and DO NOT DO SO through denominatial lenses or THE RCC lenses .
Cause THEY FLEECING THE FLOCKS RIGHT TO A LIE . they have DECIEVED this people . I will expose them all and their wicked
peace plan and ther inclusive god and its doctrine . Cause WHEN THIS KING JESUS does return
MANY GONNA WIAL as never they have wailed before. Let us open those bibles . And do be enouraged in the LORD .

@amigo de christo

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

God brought Israel Home to save them and give them new hearts.

Ezekiel 36:24-26
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Here we go again...

You just smuggled your conclusion into the word “Israel.”

Ezekiel says God gathers Israel.

You immediately translate that into:
“God brought the modern nation-state of Israel home in 1948.”

Where does Ezekiel say that? Nowhere.

Where does Christ say that? Nowhere.

Where does Paul say that? Nowhere.

You inserted a twentieth-century geopolitical state into an ancient prophetic text and then turned around and announced that the text proves the thing you inserted into it.

You keep treating bloodline, territory, and national identity as though they remain the controlling definition of covenant Israel after Christ, when the New Testament repeatedly drags covenant identity directly into Christ Himself.

So you’re screaming “EZEKIEL!” while completely ignoring the New Testament that tells Christians how to understand covenant identity after Christ. That's not Christianity interpreting Ezekiel through Christ; that’s Hagee doing his stand-up routine at the Laugh Factory while the New Testament is projected twenty feet tall behind him with the entire Christian audience in tears laughing after a solid hour of nonstop contradictions flying out of his mouth..

You keep running backward to the prophets to rebuild bloodline, land, and nation, while the apostles keep dragging everything forward into Christ. You’re using Ezekiel to overrule the New Testament instead of letting the New Testament tell you how Ezekiel is fulfilled. Thats the Judaizing move the apostolic witness rejects and the earliest Christian teachers explicitly warn believers not to listen to or follow.

If your theology gives blood, land, or national Israel a covenant standing before God that exists independently of Christ, then you've created a second covenant center where the New Testament gives only one: Jesus Christ. Give me a break; Matthew, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Peter, and Hebrews are all screaming in the opposite direction. To drag covenant identity back into flesh, genealogy, land, and an obsolete covenant after Christ made the two one is not merely backwards; it is an antichristic inversion of the New Testament because it displaces Christ from the very center the apostles place Him in.

Repent.

 

[Jack]

Here we go again...

You just smuggled your conclusion into the word “Israel.”

Ezekiel says God gathers Israel.

You immediately translate that into:
“God brought the modern nation-state of Israel home in 1948.”

Where does Ezekiel say that? Nowhere.

Where does Christ say that? Nowhere.

Where does Paul say that? Nowhere.

You inserted a twentieth-century geopolitical state into an ancient prophetic text and then turned around and announced that the text proves the thing you inserted into it.

You keep treating bloodline, territory, and national identity as though they remain the controlling definition of covenant Israel after Christ, when the New Testament repeatedly drags covenant identity directly into Christ Himself.

So you’re screaming “EZEKIEL!” while completely ignoring the New Testament that tells Christians how to understand covenant identity after Christ. That's not Christianity interpreting Ezekiel through Christ; that’s Hagee doing his stand-up routine at the Laugh Factory while the New Testament is projected twenty feet tall behind him with the entire Christian audience in tears laughing after a solid hour of nonstop contradictions flying out of his mouth..

You keep running backward to the prophets to rebuild bloodline, land, and nation, while the apostles keep dragging everything forward into Christ. You’re using Ezekiel to overrule the New Testament instead of letting the New Testament tell you how Ezekiel is fulfilled. Thats the Judaizing move the apostolic witness rejects and the earliest Christian teachers explicitly warn believers not to listen to or follow.

If your theology gives blood, land, or national Israel a covenant standing before God that exists independently of Christ, then you've created a second covenant center where the New Testament gives only one: Jesus Christ. Give me a break; Matthew, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Peter, and Hebrews are all screaming in the opposite direction. To drag covenant identity back into flesh, genealogy, land, and an obsolete covenant after Christ made the two one is not merely backwards; it is an antichristic inversion of the New Testament because it displaces Christ from the very center the apostles place Him in.

Repent.

Do you have a map? Is Israel there? Yes indeed. Exactly as God foretold!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

All the JEALOUS wannabees on Earth can't remove them! But they will DIE trying!

 

[JimKnox]

Do you have a map? Is Israel there? Yes indeed. Exactly as God foretold!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

All the JEALOUS wannabees on Earth can't remove them! But they will DIE trying!

This comedy is almost as good as Abbot and Costello.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Do you have a map? Is Israel there? Yes indeed. Exactly as God foretold!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

All the JEALOUS wannabees on Earth can't remove them! But they will DIE trying!

That's exactly the problem.

You keep pointing at land as though Christians are supposed to be spiritually impressed by dirt after Christ.

“Do you have a map? Is Israel there?”

Yea, so what? To a Christian, modern Israel may be historically important and worth visiting because biblical events happened there, but its soil doesn't possess some independent covenant status apart from Christ. It's not “covenant Israel” merely because a modern state bearing that name exists on the map.

The New Testament doesn't tell Christians to look to a parcel of land for covenant identity. Ever.

It points us to Christ.

Christianity is not a religion of worshipping borders, territory, and political maps as though possession of land proves covenant standing before God. The New Testament centers covenant identity, inheritance, priesthood, citizenship, and promise in Christ; not in territory, bloodlines, U.N. lines, passports, or national sovereignty.

And you just did the same thing again with Amos through your Hagee-vision goggles.

Amos says Israel. You magically leap 2,500 years forward, point at a state founded in 1948, and announce:

“THERE! PROPHECY FULFILLED!”

Where does Amos say that? Nowhere.

Where does Christ say that? Nowhere.

Where does Paul say that? Nowhere.

Worse, Acts 15 quotes Amos 9:11–12 and applies the restoration of David’s fallen tent to what God is doing through Christ and the gathering of the Gentiles. Then you grab the very next verses, detach them from that apostolic interpretation, drag them forward thousands of years into 1948, and start waving a map around as though the apostles never told you how to read Amos.

The apostles pointed Christians to CHRIST.

You keep pointing them back to DIRT.

A border adds nothing to the resurrection.

A passport adds nothing to the New Covenant.

And a flag adds nothing to the cross. (Especially one without a cross on it)

Christians already have the King, the covenant, the inheritance, the temple, the priesthood, the promise, and the Kingdom in Jesus Christ.

God's Word says Christians are the "chosen race, royal priesthood, and holy nation". 1 Peter 2:9–10

^ That means wherever they are found - just as God promised Abraham that through his seed all the nations of the earth would be blessed.

So when you shout:

“LOOK! WE HAVE THE LAND!”

the Christian answer is simple:

I have Christ. Why are you trying to sell me dirt and U.N. lines when Christ Himself said, “My kingdom is not of this world”? - John 18:36

 

[Jack]

That's exactly the problem.

You keep pointing at land as though Christians are supposed to be spiritually impressed by dirt after Christ.

“Do you have a map? Is Israel there?”

Yea, so what? To a Christian, modern Israel may be historically important and worth visiting because biblical events happened there, but its soil doesn't possess some independent covenant status apart from Christ. It's not “covenant Israel” merely because a modern state bearing that name exists on the map.

The New Testament doesn't tell Christians to look to a parcel of land for covenant identity. Ever.

It points us to Christ.

Christianity is not a religion of worshipping borders, territory, and political maps as though possession of land proves covenant standing before God. The New Testament centers covenant identity, inheritance, priesthood, citizenship, and promise in Christ; not in territory, bloodlines, U.N. lines, passports, or national sovereignty.

And you just did the same thing again with Amos through your Hagee-vision goggles.

Amos says Israel. You magically leap 2,500 years forward, point at a state founded in 1948, and announce:

“THERE! PROPHECY FULFILLED!”

Where does Amos say that? Nowhere.

Where does Christ say that? Nowhere.

Where does Paul say that? Nowhere.

Worse, Acts 15 quotes Amos 9:11–12 and applies the restoration of David’s fallen tent to what God is doing through Christ and the gathering of the Gentiles. Then you grab the very next verses, detach them from that apostolic interpretation, drag them forward thousands of years into 1948, and start waving a map around as though the apostles never told you how to read Amos.

The apostles pointed Christians to CHRIST.

You keep pointing them back to DIRT.

A border adds nothing to the resurrection.

A passport adds nothing to the New Covenant.

And a flag adds nothing to the cross. (Especially one without a cross on it)

Christians already have the King, the covenant, the inheritance, the temple, the priesthood, the promise, and the Kingdom in Jesus Christ.

God's Word says Christians are the "chosen race, royal priesthood, and holy nation". 1 Peter 2:9–10

^ That means wherever they are found - just as God promised Abraham that through his seed all the nations of the earth would be blessed.

So when you shout:

“LOOK! WE HAVE THE LAND!”

the Christian answer is simple:

I have Christ. Why are you trying to sell me dirt and U.N. lines when Christ Himself said, “My kingdom is not of this world”? - John 18:36

Guess where Jesus will return. Don't know?

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.