where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

[Taken]

No. That’s an unbiblical understanding of the mind and logic, often used to avoid the conclusions of sound logic. God created us in his image and that includes logic and reasoning. Jesus, who is the Logos who became flesh, tells us to love God with, among other things, all our mind.

The Bible uses logic from beginning to end. It is one of the primary ways God uses to communicate truth to us and how he expects us to interpret and understand what he has communicated to is.

There are only a fleshly, worldly use of logic and a Godly, biblical use of it, just as there is sound reasoning and poor reasoning. What we can never say is that ‘Logic is the Conclusion of the “Carnal Mind”.’ If that were true, then all of us are thoroughly carnal, and so is God.

Disagree.

Logic and Reasoning are TWO DIFFERENT Things.

Mindful Logical Understanding is Concluded by; a principled set of Rules.

Mindful Reasoning Understanding is Concluded by; an Experience.

Either can Determine a mans “understanding”.

Mans Mindful Logic Is NOT Biblical.
Mans Mindful Reasoning IS Biblical.

Knowledge of Gods Word; “comes exclusively From God”.

Understanding of Gods Word / Gods Knowledge; “comes exclusively From God”.

Mans Logic…”comes from mens Minds”.
Mans Reasoning…”comes from mens Experience of having received Understanding FROM God”.

Identified, Named Men have become “historically Famous, broadly, collectively Called: Philosophers, and their Theories, written, Published, Taught, to To the young impressionable minds, in Educational institutions For Centuries”…
“That which each individual student…has For Centuries…Debated such Theories as Fact or Fiction”.

Logic, (Guessing) is NOT the method taught in Scripture To USE for Arriving at the Understanding of Spiritual Things.

Reasoning, (Experience) IS the method taught in Scripture To USE for Arriving at the Understanding of Spiritual Things.

Logic gives you guesswork and theories.

Reasoning gives you promises, hope, blessings, gifts and experiences of Having those things.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Pierac]

Everyone.... Take a deep breath! Stop dividing the Body of Christ. Scripture never speaks of 2 camps/bodies, only one body. Claiming someone must believe what Scripture doesn't present divides the Body. The Trinity is absent from Scripture. That is a Biblical fact! So who cares... Scripture clearly states, without adding to Scripture, that Jesus saves... everyone who posts here would agree on that fact!

So... not a Trinity... but Jesus. I see no Trinity on the cross! I see no Trinity raised from the dead... so STOP acting like it's actually important!

Biblical salvation in scripture requires what... I think this makes my point! Shut down the division!

 

[rebuilder 454]

Everyone.... Take a deep breath! Stop dividing the Body of Christ. Scripture never speaks of 2 camps/bodies, only one body. Claiming someone must believe what Scripture doesn't present divides the Body. The Trinity is absent from Scripture. That is a Biblical fact! So who cares... Scripture clearly states, without adding to Scripture, that Jesus saves... everyone who posts here would agree on that fact!

So... not a Trinity... but Jesus. I see no Trinity on the cross! I see no Trinity raised from the dead... so STOP acting like it's actually important!

Biblical salvation in scripture requires what... I think this makes my point! Shut down the division!

....and here you are refuting the pillar of Christianity.
.....the deity of Jesus AUTOMATICALLY points to a Tribune God.

Are you a Christian?
A Christian denies Jesus?

Not important?
Read foxes book of martyrs.
They died for what you say is not important.

In fact your position is that they all died needlessly.

Unity with the world would end martyrdom?

Contention over doctrinal pillars is how every apostle died.( save john)
Had not Paul defended doctrine we would NOT HAVE most of his letters.
Paul was stoned over doctrinal disputes.

 

[The Learner]

taken, where is my cake and ice cream?

 

[Justified]

Everyone.... Take a deep breath! Stop dividing the Body of Christ. Scripture never speaks of 2 camps/bodies, only one body. Claiming someone must believe what Scripture doesn't present divides the Body. The Trinity is absent from Scripture. That is a Biblical fact! So who cares... Scripture clearly states, without adding to Scripture, that Jesus saves... everyone who posts here would agree on that fact!

So... not a Trinity... but Jesus. I see no Trinity on the cross! I see no Trinity raised from the dead... so STOP acting like it's actually important!

Biblical salvation in scripture requires what... I think this makes my point! Shut down the division!

Either God is triune or he is not and only one can be the God of the Bible. If the Trinity is true (and it is), then those who don't believe in the Trinity, or at least argue against it, don't believe in the God of the Bible. So, it is of central importance.

Similarly, only one Jesus is the Jesus of the Bible and he is either truly God and truly man or he is not; he is either part of a Trinity or he is not. Since who he is is central to salvation, we simply cannot make up a Jesus who is not of the Bible and expect to have salvation. Once again, who he is is of central importance.

 

[Justified]

Disagree.

Logic and Reasoning are TWO DIFFERENT Things.

Mindful Logical Understanding is Concluded by; a principled set of Rules.

Mindful Reasoning Understanding is Concluded by; an Experience.

Either can Determine a mans “understanding”.

Mans Mindful Logic Is NOT Biblical.
Mans Mindful Reasoning IS Biblical.

Knowledge of Gods Word; “comes exclusively From God”.

Understanding of Gods Word / Gods Knowledge; “comes exclusively From God”.

Mans Logic…”comes from mens Minds”.
Mans Reasoning…”comes from mens Experience of having received Understanding FROM God”.

Identified, Named Men have become “historically Famous, broadly, collectively Called: Philosophers, and their Theories, written, Published, Taught, to To the young impressionable minds, in Educational institutions For Centuries”…
“That which each individual student…has For Centuries…Debated such Theories as Fact or Fiction”.

Logic, (Guessing) is NOT the method taught in Scripture To USE for Arriving at the Understanding of Spiritual Things.

Reasoning, (Experience) IS the method taught in Scripture To USE for Arriving at the Understanding of Spiritual Things.

Logic gives you guesswork and theories.

Reasoning gives you promises, hope, blessings, gifts and experiences of Having those things.

Glory to God,
Taken

So, since you're using logic, I can basically just say you're guessing and ignore what you have said, correct?

Again, logic (which is not guessing) is used throughout the Bible to come to an understanding of spiritual things and is one of the primary ways God uses to communicate truth to us and how he expects us to interpret and understand what he has communicated to us. There are only a fleshly, worldly use of logic and a Godly, biblical use of it, just as there are sound reasoning and poor reasoning.

 

[JimKnox]

where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

I never got a straigth answer to this question. The apostles were discipled and taught by Jesus himself. Where in their letters do they literally write that Jesus is the Father? You will get run arounds like Jesus is god therefore he is the Father. That is not a text in their letters where they write. Jesus is the Father.

Where in the letters did they write literally that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: "Jesus is the Father"

www.biblegateway.com

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: "holy ghost is the Father"

www.biblegateway.com

Not in ether.,

By asking in this manner are you suggesting that Scripture that is NOT in the letters yet declares Christ IS God in the flesh have no weight nor authority nor veracity?

 

[Taken]

So, since you're using logic,

Uh…
No clue what you are reading, since I disagreed with your use of Logic for understanding Scripture….

My position is….Understanding Scripture comes From God…Not a mans mindful Logic!

I can basically just say you're guessing and ignore what you have said, correct?

You can do whatever you want.

Again, logic (which is not guessing) is used throughout the Bible to come to an understanding of spiritual things

Disagree.

Prov 3:
[5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

1Chr 22:
[12] Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.

Job 32:
[8] But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Luke 24:
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

2Tim 2:
[7] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Glory to God,
Taken