Debunking the big bang theory

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Armour of God

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WOW a lot of words but you really did not say anything. The time frame of collecting fossils and considering evolution has been about one hundred years and the technology to observe it about 50 years and DNA 20 years.....evolutional changes.....take millions of years.
At this point evolution is not a theory, there are facts about it that are theory. But definitely God driven.

We don't want to teach our kids that the world is flat and suns fall to the earth and the universe revolves around our planet. If you are concerned about them teaching your children that God did not make everything, put them in a Christian school....petty simple choice....use your head.

You've admitted that mutation has not been observed creating evolution.

You've debunked yourself.

Do yourself a favour, be true to yourself, and at least listen to your scientific brethren instead of just blindly believing the God hating atheists and parroting their lies.





 
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You've admitted that mutation has not been observed creating evolution.

You've debunked yourself.

Do yourself a favour, be true to yourself, and at least listen to your scientific brethren instead of just blindly believing the God hating atheists and parroting their lies.






No I said we will see it, given enough time.
 

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No I said we will see it, given enough time.

That's not science
That's wishful thinking

The deception of evolution, propagated by atheists, has pulled many people away from God and will continue to do so as long as they keep teaching the lie to children.

The least they can do is present the opposing arguments and intelligent design. But they want to pull kids away from God and unfortunately that's what you support
 
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That's not science
That's wishful thinking

The deception of evolution, propagated by atheists, has pulled many people away from God and will continue to do so as long as they keep teaching the lie to children.

The least they can do is present the opposing arguments and intelligent design. But they want to pull kids away from God and unfortunately that's what you support

Again and again, they cannot teach different religions in public schools. And again send your kids to Christian schools. No queer teachers or coaches. And again a lot of Christians believe in evolution.
 

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Individual mutations and combined breeding.

Mutations generally aren't beneficial; more often than not, they are detrimental and result in physical disabilities.

But if evolution was guided by God we would be.

Why is there such a need to jibe evolution and creationism, which by definition are contradictory? It's like trying to combine oil and water; it just doesn't work. The fact that you would need God to make evolution work shows just how infallible it is. This is besides the fact that Scripture itself doesn't even hint that is how God created things.

You're trying to make it compatible with science, which is infallible in itself. Textbooks have to be revised every year for a reason; they're always correcting erroneous information. Science once believed the universe was eternal; now they believe it had a beginning. Science is always in flux and therefore capable of being wrong. Modern science especially is biased if not hostile toward alternate explanations, especially creationism. They're automatically going to rule out any evidence or presuppositions that contradict their paradigm.

This would fly about forty years ago.....dating is much more accurate now.

Sure, dating is more accurate, but it still can be thrown off by contamination, volcanic eruptions (above ground and in the ocean), etc. There are many variables that can affect the dating. My original argument still stands; we simply don't know if the rate of decay has been constant throughout the ages. At the end of the day, we have no way to actually go back in time and confirm whether those dates are accurate, so it remains speculative.
 

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Why is there such a need to jibe evolution and creationism, which by definition are contradictory? It's like trying to combine oil and water; it just doesn't work. The fact that you would need God to make evolution work shows just how infallible it is. This is besides the fact that Scripture itself doesn't even hint that is how God created things.

You're trying to make it compatible with science, which is infallible in itself. Textbooks have to be revised every year for a reason; they're always correcting erroneous information. Science once believed the universe was eternal; now they believe it had a beginning. Science is always in flux and therefore capable of being wrong. Modern science especially is biased if not hostile toward alternate explanations, especially creationism. They're automatically going to rule out any evidence or presuppositions that contradict their paradigm.

Simple equation....God is real and evolution is real so God has to be involved.
 

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Sure, dating is more accurate, but it still can be thrown off by contamination, volcanic eruptions (above ground and in the ocean), etc. There are many variables that can affect the dating. My original argument still stands; we simply don't know if the rate of decay has been constant throughout the ages. At the end of the day, we have no way to actually go back in time and confirm whether those dates are accurate, so it remains speculative.

Right the accuracy can be thrown off by certain things and they know what to look for. Since the nuclear tests the radiation can contaminate exposed fossils and items. But like I said dating is much more advanced, confirm with multiple type of dating including the soil.
 

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Simple equation....God is real and evolution is real so God has to be involved.

Evolution is real based upon what? Have we ever observed evolution taking place? I'm not talking about microevolution, which is really just the genic expression of a species and has limitations. I'm talking about macroevolution, where one kind changes (transitions) into another kind? Evolution would be extremely inefficient and impractical. Some things, like the immune system and blood clotting, have to be there from the start; otherwise, the organism would die before it ever had a chance to evolve.
 
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Evolution is real based upon what? Have we ever observed evolution taking place? I'm not talking about microevolution, which is really just the genic expression of a species and has limitations. I'm talking about macroevolution, where one kind changes (transitions) into another kind? Evolution would be extremely inefficient and impractical. Some things, like the immune system and blood clotting, have to be there from the start; otherwise, the organism would die before it ever had a chance to evolve.

Again and again, it will happen it just takes time.
 

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Again and again, they cannot teach different religions in public schools. And again send your kids to Christian schools. No queer teachers or coaches. And again a lot of Christians believe in evolution.

Intelligent design is not a religion.
It's a scientific theory based on observable evidence.

You don't seem to care that the teaching of evolution pulls people away from God.
Private schools are expensive.
Many people simply cannot afford that.

If their going to teach a theory, TOE, that says there is no God then they should also teach a theory, ID, that says there is a God.

Either teach them both or don't teach any.
Let the parents teach about matters of God.
 
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You don't seem to care that the teaching of evolution pulls people away from God.
Private schools are expensive.
Many people simply cannot afford that.

There are a lot of things that pulls people away. The flat earth belief could pull people away.
The fact that there are two creation stories that are different from each other in Genesis could pull people away.
For some the scientific proof of intelligent design could affirm faith.

I would say most people can afford a Christian school if they manage their budget correctly.
15 states have private school vouchers.
Some home school their kids.
I did not have to send my kids to a Christian school, where I live common sense applies.
Know what your school is teaching.
 

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There are a lot of things that pulls people away. The flat earth belief could pull people away.
The fact that there are two creation stories that are different from each other in Genesis could pull people away.

There are many things that can pull people away from God. But their not being taught in schools. That's my main objection, evolution being taught in schools, pulling kids away from God.

They should either teach intelligent design also or none of them. Or at the very least teach the difference between practical and theoretical science. Cos theoretical operates on a much lower standard of evidence like assumptions and is closer to philosophy than science.

If i went to my boss and said I have a new material I want to use on a bridge. I haven't tested it or anything but I think it will work. He would call me crazy or think I'm joking around.

For some the scientific proof of intelligent design could affirm faith.

As it did with me.

I would say most people can afford a Christian school if they manage their budget correctly.
15 states have private school vouchers.
Some home school their kids.
I did not have to send my kids to a Christian school, where I live common sense applies.
Know what your school is teaching.

I'm not sure if most people can afford a Christian school. Maybe so but there will always be some that can't.

Know what they're teaching is a must.

Pondering it a bit more, I think only practical science should be taught in public schools.
Matters that deal with morality and God should be left to the parents to teach.
 
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Again and again, it will happen it just takes time.

The time factor actually works against evolution for the reasons I already stated. Complex systems, such as the eyes and ears, must be complete and functioning as a whole from the beginning; otherwise, they serve no purpose. Evolution is contradictory to the second law of thermodynamics (entropy). Things don't get better with time; they get worse. Why would evolution be except from the second law of thermodynamics when literally nothing else in the universe is?
 
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The time factor actually works against evolution for the reasons I already stated. Complex systems, such as the eyes and ears, must be complete and functioning as a whole from the beginning; otherwise, they serve no purpose. Evolution is contradictory to the second law of thermodynamics (entropy). Things don't get better with time; they get worse. Why would evolution be except from the second law of thermodynamics when literally nothing else in the universe is?

But yet they have literally tens of thousands of examples of the evolutionary line in humans and animals.