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Chrysostomos

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The Bible talks about stars falling to Earth.....

Get off the Soviet / atheist thing.
As they say in England.....You are boring me now.
You are not going to be able to cause me to stup to your level.
Engage brain and then type.
I once told a close friend, a psychotherapist by profession, about two atheists who grilled me on the “stars falling to Earth” from Revelation, asking, “How can stars fall if they’re massive celestial bodies, bigger than Earth?”

He responded, “Do you know how we do a basic sanity check in psychology? We ask simple questions, like, ‘What does the proverb count your chickens before they hatch mean?’ or ‘measure seven times, cut once?’
If someone gets the figurative meaning, they pass the first test. If they take it literally or struggle to give a clear answer based on metaphorical thinking, that’s a red flag.”

I asked, “So what’s your advice?”

He said, “Run as far as you can from people like that. It’s pointless to argue—they just can’t grasp it.”

In psychiatry and psychology, people who struggle to understand figurative language—like proverbs, metaphors, or idioms—and interpret them literally are often described as having concrete thinking. It’s not a standalone diagnosis but a symptom tied to certain mental or neurological conditions.

Now, look at the bigger picture: some people, like those atheists, think John in Revelation literally means stars will crash onto Earth. They know stars are massive celestial bodies, so they see this as absurd. But what they miss is that for it to be absurd, John would have to know stars are bigger than Earth and still claim they’d fall. That’s where their logic collapses. John isn’t making a scientific statement—he’s using poetic, figurative language to describe natural phenomena he’s witnessing, just like we say “a star fell from the sky” when we see a meteor burn up in the atmosphere.

The problem is, not everyone can think logically or grasp figurative language. So, when they read the Bible, they take it literally. They imagine stars like the sun crashing onto Earth, which seems absurd to them, and they stop there, seeing nothing else. That’s why arguing with them about this is pointless—they’re stuck on the literal.
 
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Being a Ukrainian I can understand your interest in the Soviets, but I have none. But your intelligence level shows….I am not a atheist.
You say you’re not an atheist and list yourself as a Christian in your profile. So why do you keep sounding like a typical Soviet godless propagandist?

Honestly, I haven’t met anyone in ages who insists that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth just because it’s supposedly in the Bible. I’ve certainly never met someone who calls themselves a Christian and makes such claims.
And you’re so persistent about it.

If you’re not an atheist, and you claim to be a Christian, does that mean you believe in a flat Earth?

If we think logically, you’re claiming that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth because the Bible supposedly says so. You call yourself a Christian. So, following your own logic, you believe in a flat Earth, right?
 

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The Bible talks about stars falling to Earth.....

Get off the Soviet / atheist thing.
As they say in England.....You are boring me now.
You are not going to be able to cause me to stup to your level.
Engage brain and then type.
you do lack serious understanding
and just what do YOU think them stars represent . A third of heaven fell .
You seeing exactly what you want to see .
Something went wrong my friend . Just how cozy are you now
with this inclusvie interfaith unity realm .
Folks want to desperately beleive what these so called wise leaders say ABOUT the bible
rather than THE BIBLE .
I just bet you are well on that train that even has problems with THE KJV
and believe we do need to sit under well greek educated men . I just bet you are well advanced in their realm .
I just hope not so far that you already believe the lie of unbelief
 
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Believe what you want
That is the motto of this generation . OH believe as thou wilt
so long as we lovey do and others lovey doed , ALL is well in the end .
I sure hope you aint bought that lie yet . Man i sure hope
you have not . I aint saying you have but man i sure hope you aint bit onto the dark love rope .
WHO WE BELEIVE MATTERS . WHOSE WORDS we Beleive MATTERS
And it better BE JESUS THE CHRIST
and not some other fairy love jesus that sure has painted a real broad hug a neighbor find common ground path to GOD .
 
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I once told a close friend, a psychotherapist by profession, about two atheists who grilled me on the “stars falling to Earth” from Revelation, asking, “How can stars fall if they’re massive celestial bodies, bigger than Earth?”

He responded, “Do you know how we do a basic sanity check in psychology? We ask simple questions, like, ‘What does the proverb count your chickens before they hatch mean?’ or ‘measure seven times, cut once?’
If someone gets the figurative meaning, they pass the first test. If they take it literally or struggle to give a clear answer based on metaphorical thinking, that’s a red flag.”

I asked, “So what’s your advice?”

He said, “Run as far as you can from people like that. It’s pointless to argue—they just can’t grasp it.”

In psychiatry and psychology, people who struggle to understand figurative language—like proverbs, metaphors, or idioms—and interpret them literally are often described as having concrete thinking. It’s not a standalone diagnosis but a symptom tied to certain mental or neurological conditions.

Now, look at the bigger picture: some people, like those atheists, think John in Revelation literally means stars will crash onto Earth. They know stars are massive celestial bodies, so they see this as absurd. But what they miss is that for it to be absurd, John would have to know stars are bigger than Earth and still claim they’d fall. That’s where their logic collapses. John isn’t making a scientific statement—he’s using poetic, figurative language to describe natural phenomena he’s witnessing, just like we say “a star fell from the sky” when we see a meteor burn up in the atmosphere.

The problem is, not everyone can think logically or grasp figurative language. So, when they read the Bible, they take it literally. They imagine stars like the sun crashing onto Earth, which seems absurd to them, and they stop there, seeing nothing else. That’s why arguing with them about this is pointless—they’re stuck on the literal.
actually my friend the more we read we had seen the answer .
Did you know , and this is a solid fact
THE BIBLE NEVER ONCE states THE EARTH IS FLAT .
BUT IT SURE DOES STATE ITS A SPHERE . of course you know that YOU BEEN saying it as well .
As far as the stars falling .
WHOSE TAIL pulls such stars , IT SAYS THE DRAGON .
and if we read , in one place it says I SEEN a great star fall from heaven and UNTO HIM
WOE NELLY it just called a star a HIM , was given the keys to the .....
THEMS ANGELS . IT IS a representation of angels . satan took a third of heaven down with him .
 
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You say you’re not an atheist and list yourself as a Christian in your profile. So why do you keep sounding like a typical Soviet godless propagandist?

Honestly, I haven’t met anyone in ages who insists that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth just because it’s supposedly in the Bible. I’ve certainly never met someone who calls themselves a Christian and makes such claims.
And you’re so persistent about it.

If you’re not an atheist, and you claim to be a Christian, does that mean you believe in a flat Earth?

If we think logically, you’re claiming that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth because the Bible supposedly says so. You call yourself a Christian. So, following your own logic, you believe in a flat Earth, right?
I would like to address your first question .
YOu asked him WHY do you keep sounding like a typical soviet godless propogandist .
And now a word .
Ever heard of animal farm .
HOW did the communists work . THEY had infiltrated from within
from top to bottom and bottom to top .
THIS IS SIMPLY PLANET FARM my friend .
THE COMMUNIST SOCIALIST agenda , FRIEND it had to come from within
and infiltrate and slowly break truth INTO A LIQUID
and then reshape it into a religoin and a mindset the sheep have no idea SERVES THE GLOBAL AGENDA .
THEY DID THIS . THEY DID THIS and the churches as well as much of society
HAD no idea what they were doing the whole time .
THAT IS WHY many now sound as they sound and tout the same ol line
The same ol victim card , the same ol card
THAT WILL DID and will eventually EVEN BRING DOWN the IRON YOKE UPON THEM ALL
in teh worlds largest digital system known to man .
And satan used men whose desire was for this for this , for this power and control .
IN ORDER TO BUILD and to prepare and to make ready a people TO HONOR , serve and LOVE THE BEAST .
these greedy dogs who were co workers to this , FOR Though they hollered
redist of wealth and though they said this is for the poor , NO SIR it was always for the elites .
AND they had and have no idea they were used by satan to build HIS OWN EMPIRE .
Communism One O ONE . Infiltrate , work from within
break truth into a liquid , then reshape it INTO THE DESIRED FORM to serve the world govt
and yet the peoples will beleive the system IS FOR THEM . they been duped bud . big time .
 
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You say you’re not an atheist and list yourself as a Christian in your profile. So why do you keep sounding like a typical Soviet godless propagandist?

Honestly, I haven’t met anyone in ages who insists that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth just because it’s supposedly in the Bible. I’ve certainly never met someone who calls themselves a Christian and makes such claims.
And you’re so persistent about it.

If you’re not an atheist, and you claim to be a Christian, does that mean you believe in a flat Earth?

If we think logically, you’re claiming that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth because the Bible supposedly says so. You call yourself a Christian. So, following your own logic, you believe in a flat Earth, right?
reshape GOD into a god that all religoins can agree upon and that will serve
THE WORLD agenda .
WHY ya think seeker friendly and bridge builders and breaking down walls
WAS INTRODUCED .
What america and her churches do not realize is
WE are now about as communist as is RUSSIA
ONLY they still use the words democracy . PEOPLE dont realize
the idea of GIVE THE PEOPLE their delusions of freedom
and all they while chip a way at it and make it seem as if ITS ALL FOR THE PEOPLE .
WE are now about as communist as MOTHER RUSSIA and even CHINA are .
THEY DID THIS FROM WITHIN . people are totally ignorant .
 

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IT is that simple .
what does and do all them peoples who sit under and in A mainline church , say like the RCC
or jw , or mormon , or whatever and hold to wrong teachings have in common .
READY , s teady
T HEY allowed men to twist things to them . YEAH reading the BIBLE does work . WHY o why do you THINK we even have so many darn different teachings .
MEN .
Now bible up . because i am watching debate upon debate
the lost calling the lost , LOST
and yet they all have one thing in common. THEY BELIEVE TWISTED DOCT RINES .
And many bought the lie that reading the bible on their own DID THIS .
NO decieved men did that . and the reason so many followed them
and kept their doctrines , IS BECAUSE they sat under such doctrines in the first place .
BIBLE TIME . open , read it . otherwise keep s triving and let each one keep thinking oh my doctrine is rig ht
no my doctrine is rig ht says the ot her . WELL READ IT FOR YOUR OWN SELF . IN time you would have seen
what i seen . ITS KNOWN as neither is right they all been duped by men . And some of them doctrines
are deadly too . BIBLE TIME . never let one tell you
OUR CHURCH is the CHURCH cause its the oldest
OR our church is the church cause
NO , OPEN BIBLE , LEARN BIBLE and THEN you shall be able to test them and SEE for yourself
WHO is in error and who is not . BIBLE TIME . Cause one thing i surely do notice
amongst EVERY single denomination known to man , to include the CC herself
and NOW EVEN the false religoins , IS THIS MOVEMENT to merge us and everyone thinks its love and loving
YET IT IS THE LIE and has the LIE OF ALL LIES . they just claoked it as love . PEOPLE are not gonna make it myf reind .
NOw excuse me while i remind us all ONCE again . BIBLE TIME for yourselves . MY hands are clean .
The Bible is NOT easily discernable for everyone. If it was – there wouldn’t be tens of thousands of different Protestant denominations and quasi-Christian sects that ALL teach different doctrines who ALL claim they were “led” by the Hoy Spirit to this confusion.

2 Pet. 1:19

“… knowing this first of all, that
NO prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s OWN interpretation.”

Whenever I read one of YOUR posts – it glaringly-apparent that this is exactly what you’ve done.

YOU decry the teachings of "men" - yet that's what you've done. You've invented your own doctrines and have followed the false doctrines of other rmen.

Jesus left us with a Church with FULL Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16) to guide us – just as the Holy Spirit guides it to ALL truth (John 16:12-15).

PS
I openly-challenge you to predive Scriptural support for the false doctrine of
Sola Scriptura . . .
 
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You say you’re not an atheist and list yourself as a Christian in your profile. So why do you keep sounding like a typical Soviet godless propagandist?

Honestly, I haven’t met anyone in ages who insists that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth just because it’s supposedly in the Bible. I’ve certainly never met someone who calls themselves a Christian and makes such claims.
And you’re so persistent about it.

If you’re not an atheist, and you claim to be a Christian, does that mean you believe in a flat Earth?

If we think logically, you’re claiming that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth because the Bible supposedly says so. You call yourself a Christian. So, following your own logic, you believe in a flat Earth, right?

Ya I know everyone is an atheist if they do not agree with you. You have shown your character and intelligence so I do not have to discuss this further.
 

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Ya I know everyone is an atheist if they do not agree with you. You have shown your character and intelligence so I do not have to discuss this further.
What exactly are you disagreeing with? Are you saying I called you an atheist because you don’t agree the Earth is round?

Honestly, I’m still not clear—do you believe the Earth is round or flat?

Or are you disagreeing with my point that no Christian council—Catholic, Orthodox, — has ever declared that Christians must believe in a flat Earth?

I asked you directly: you’re claiming that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth because the Bible supposedly says so. You call yourself a Christian. So, following your own logic, you believe in a flat Earth, right? You didn’t answer that either.

I have no idea what you’re even disagreeing with me about.
 

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What exactly are you disagreeing with? Are you saying I called you an atheist because you don’t agree the Earth is round?

Honestly, I’m still not clear—do you believe the Earth is round or flat?

Or are you disagreeing with my point that no Christian council—Catholic, Orthodox, — has ever declared that Christians must believe in a flat Earth?

I asked you directly: you’re claiming that every Christian must believe in a flat Earth because the Bible supposedly says so. You call yourself a Christian. So, following your own logic, you believe in a flat Earth, right? You didn’t answer that either.

I have no idea what you’re even disagreeing with me about.

Round
But those that wrote the Bible thought it flat.
Most of the Bible is factual but there is a human element.
 

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What a Modern Christian Needs to Understand to Tackle Today's Challenges

God's Word and the leading / teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.... is all true Christians need as this is more than enough

So much more that was have such an advantage over the devil it's not fair for the devil!

The deck is stacked in the favor of the true Christian, but not for the fake "christians" that follow catholicism, reformed theology, JWs, mormans, and all the other cults that claim to be following Jesus but continue to reject His teachings
 

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But those that wrote the Bible thought it flat.
Most of the Bible is factual but there is a human element.
So, you’re claiming Christians are obligated to believe in a flat Earth because that’s what the Bible supposedly says, yet you yourself think the Earth is round. You also say the Bible’s writers believed it was flat.
But consider Isaiah 40:22, which speaks of the “circle of the earth,” or Job 26:7, where God “hangs the earth on nothing”—implying it’s not resting on physical pillars, which aligns more with a sphere in space. These are poetic images, not scientific descriptions.

Reexamine your pre-prepared quotes for cases like this—can you provide even one verse that directly says “the Earth is flat”? Only an exact match, no interpretations.

What you quoted earlier doesn’t count. None of those verses directly state a flat Earth—they use poetic or phenomenological language, describing the world from an observer’s perspective, not making scientific or dogmatic claims about its shape.

This is a perfect example of what this thread is about: “a fly in the ointment.” One person derails the entire conversation to flat Earth debates. Atheists have a whole arsenal of such topics, and it reduces Christianity to endless arguments about the Earth’s shape and age, as if you see nothing else in the Bible but this.
 

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So, you’re claiming Christians are obligated to believe in a flat Earth because that’s what the Bible supposedly says, yet you yourself think the Earth is round.

NO.
I think if Christians are going to believe everything in the Bible is literal they are saying the world is flat.
But whether they do or don’t they are still Christians.
Every body is a atheist if they do not agree with you.
You are not worth my time.
 

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NO.
I think if Christians are going to believe everything in the Bible is literal they are saying the world is flat.
But whether they do or don’t they are still Christians.
Every body is a atheist if they do not agree with you.
You are not worth my time.
Where are the quotes? You’ve got none! You’re just parroting the same old Soviet militant atheist propaganda. That’s exactly what they wrote in the “I’m an Atheist” magazine: “Every Christian who takes the Bible literally believes the Earth is flat.” Word for word.

Why are you recycling Soviet atheist talking points?

I’ve never met a single Christian in my life who said the Earth is flat because they thought the Bible says so.
In Christianity—Orthodox, Catholic, or any other denomination—there’s not a single council decision declaring the Earth is flat. The issue was never seriously raised at any Ecumenical or local council, nor in official theological debates.
 
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Where are the quotes? You’ve got none! You’re just parroting the same old Soviet militant atheist propaganda. That’s exactly what they wrote in the “I’m an Atheist” magazine: “Every Christian who takes the Bible literally believes the Earth is flat.” Word for word.

Why are you recycling Soviet atheist talking points?

I’ve never met a single Christian in my life who said the Earth is flat because they thought the Bible says so.
In Christianity—Orthodox, Catholic, or any other denomination—there’s not a single council decision declaring the Earth is flat. The issue was never seriously raised at any Ecumenical or local council, nor in official theological debates.

You are not worth my time.
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To grasp issues like the Big Bang, abiogenesis, evolution, and the age of the Earth, a Christian should be familiar with several scientific fields.
Here's a list of the key disciplines:
We can be “familiar” with all of these fields, and yet have no degrees in any of them.
Those in Jesus’ day had similar requirements for those who were teachers of the Law....which is why they stumbled over Jesus and the 12.

John 7:14-16...
”About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching. The Jews therefore marveled, saying, “How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?” So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.” (ESV)

And the 12 were purposely chosen because they were not educated at the schools....a place for learning what the Pharisees taught, rather than from the source that Jesus taught. (Matt 15:7-9) From what source do those with University degrees present their arguments? From a higher source than Christians?

Jesus and his disciples had a very different target audience...”the lost sheep of the house of Israel”....these responded to common men like themselves, not only because of their words, but because God was working miracles through them.

Acts 4:13-14...
“Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus. But seeing the man who was healed standing beside them, they had nothing to say in opposition.”

The Pharisees were hard pressed to refute what people saw with their own eyes.

Yet we then have Paul who was highly educated and given a different assignment. He was on the same level as his fellow Pharisees, and equal to addressing the educated Greek philosophers.
So God selects those suitable for the task...and educates them for the job.

In this day and age is there any excuse for ignorance?

These fields equip Christians to critically evaluate scientific theories, find common ground with biblical worldviews, and counter or affirm skeptics' arguments.
Yes, because they bothered to check these things out for themselves. When you do your homework, and can explain these things to yourself, logically and with conviction, they are then easy to explain to others.
A modern Christian aiming to address all contemporary challenges must be a versatile explorer: a scientist, theologian, historian, philosopher, and pastor all in one. However, it's crucial to remember that no one can know everything. It's impossible to be an expert in all areas at once. But critics of Christianity don't need to be experts in everything—just in one.
I think the audience to whom Jesus aimed his preaching, all heard the same things, but not all were convinced, as the majority in the end rejected him outright, preferring to believe the comfortable lies told to them, rather than to open their hearts to the possibility that their teachers were hypocritical frauds as Jesus had exposed them. (Matt 23)

What made the difference between a “believer” and an “unbeliever”? It was how the heart of the individual processed the information. The truth was supposed to divide people, as Jesus said. (Matt 10:34-38)

Heb 4:12-13..
“For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.” (ESV)

When people hear the word of God, they have one of two responses....they accept or deny the word. God knows whose hearts are responding, and whose hearts are dead. (John 6:44; 65) God then responds by “drawing” them to himself by means of his son. No one can come to the son without God’s approval.

The accounting is coming and this will also have one of two outcomes....life or death. Not heaven or hell. Jews were never taught such a concept....that idea came from the pagan Greeks.
Critics, especially those opposing Christianity (atheists, skeptics, adherents of other worldviews), often zero in on one or two areas where they see vulnerabilities.
Are critics our greatest threat? Are we to fear their empty arguments dressed up to pull the proverbial rug out from under us by dazzling us with science? If we have strong faith, their “mountains” of useless “evidence” and arguments will be reduced to a pile of rubble. By their own reasonings they stumble themselves.....God will let them.
Their strategy is straightforward: Dive deep into one field, find a weak spot, and use it to undermine the entire belief system. They don't need to know it all—just more than their opponent in that niche.
If our faith can be undone by one argument, then we had no real faith or conviction in the first place. Blind faith serves no one....it is easily dismantled by a convincing argument.....if we have no counter argument, we might look foolish, but then Jesus said were were going to appear that way to the learned ones anyway.

As Paul wrote in 1 Cor 1:19-25....
“For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? . . . .For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. . . . . For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” (ESV)
Has Christianity Become "Too Complicated"?
Sadly, yes.....What Jesus taught was not rocket science...his audience were mostly uneducated people who were spiritually “lost”....you will find many of such people in the multitude of churches in Christendom.....not sure of anything, lacking real conviction but not really doing anything to bolster their own faith. We all have the same 24 hours in a day...it’s how we use them that matters. How do we prioritise our time....?
How much Bible education are we taking in?
A Christian is expected to know everything. Christians are supposed to be walking Wikipedias
Well, it pays to have a good grasp on what is true and what is not....Jesus foretold that a counterfeit church would be ‘sown by the devil in the world’. This counterfeit would be full of “weeds” designed to choke out the “wheat”....but Jesus said the “wheat” would still be there, plugging away and being ignored and hated for daring to speak against the teachings of this “church”......(Matt 13:24-30; 36-42; John 15:18-21).....in Jesus’ day the real heretics were the ones pointing the fingers at Jesus and his disciples....crying “heretic” even in our day, means the same thing. Who are pointing the fingers? Who are those who cannot tolerate any departure from ‘the party line’....where did ‘the party line’ come from...or should we say whom?

Do we know the difference between truth and fabrication? God does, and will gather his genuine children to himself in one united brotherhood. (1 Cor 1:10) God’s spirit unites his people....it does not divide them.

Is the only threat to our faith coming from outside of it? Satan knows how to divide us...he’s been doing that from the beginning...
 
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That’s all you’ve got to say? I don’t need your time for free.
Besides, I could do without ever seeing your long-expired Soviet atheist propaganda again.

You are sad.
And I would never do Soviet atheist propaganda.
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But consider Isaiah 40:22, which speaks of the “circle of the earth,” or Job 26:7, where God “hangs the earth on nothing”—implying it’s not resting on physical pillars, which aligns more with a sphere in space. These are poetic images, not scientific descriptions.

Compared to the Lord and what He says in His Word... science is the definition of ignorance.

When they future gets here and all those who put "science" before God's Word are being tormented in hell, they're going to wish they believe God instead of science.

Science is man's observations from a darkened world full of evil and deception so mankind is pretty much clueless.
 
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