What is the purpose of Grace?

[Lizbeth]

The irony...


You are not understanding the 3 kinds of sin so you are drawing the wrong conclusion, as per usual.
That verse is speaking of the sin of iniquity (avon). That's the kind of sin that every believer must learn to shed...as in DEPART from iniquity. Those who humble themselves and become as a child in simplicity and honesty...will not have iniquity imputed to them...because it is no longer there.




You have jumbled up the bible to mean the opposite.


False as can be. God judges righteously as HE sees. Your scheme has God be blinded instead of you.

No matter what I say...you will embrace iniquity.

The carnal mind loves to overthink things and look through a microscope which can't see the thing as a whole....that is VANITY. In both senses of the word.

Rom 4:1-10

What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

 

[ProDeo]

So I am superbly qualified to judge the brethren...because I understand the word through multiple conversions into multiple levels of understanding. But how are you going to know that if you never enter into Christ to see if what I'm saying is true? Your responses to me prove you know nothing of spiritual things. You only have bible opinions which you are trying to perfect here and there. But the bible says...always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

In context :

2Tim 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
2Tim 3:2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Tim 3:3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,
2Tim 3:4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Tim 3:5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
2Tim 3:6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions,
2Tim 3:7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.

Does the person you addressed really qualifies for verse 2-6 ?

Rhetoric question, never mind.

 

[shepherdsword]

Power comes to us through His grace, but grace is not just power........it is God's overall disposition of favour to the believer based on our faith in and acceptance of His Son. We have found favour with God, through faith. So He is disposed to be gracious to us, which comes from the root word grace. Through that grace come all the "benefits" of the gospel....salvation, Holy Spirit, blessing, provision, protection, guidance, power, spiritual gifts, etc.

Don't fluff over and ignore the enabling power aspect as therein lies the key to true new birth and transformation. That goes for @amigo de christo and his cheerleader @Marvelloustime as well. Maybe she can create a scripture slogan plaque for that.

 

[amigo de christo]

Don't fluff over and ignore the enabling power aspect as therein lies the key to true new birth and transformation. That goes for @amigo de christo and his cheerleader @Marvelloustime as well. Maybe she can create a scripture slogan plaque for that.

I warn against false gospels . and the all inclusive ecuemincal one IS false .

 

[amigo de christo]

What makes you assume this brother is not "doing"? It's quite bizarre how you are always making judgments about people whose lives you know absolutely nothing about, just because they take issue with you.

Not to mention , how many years have you known me sister . And how often have i warned
against those who are LIP only . EPI is simply run out of gas .
Even he knows i have warned against lip only . He has run out of steam sister .
Yesterday he was exposed for all to see . I told us I KNOW what an inclusivian believes . And
man he was so fast to prove me right as he went after that post .

 

[marks]

Power comes to us through His grace, but grace is not just power........it is God's overall disposition of favour to the believer based on our faith in and acceptance of His Son. We have found favour with God, through faith. So He is disposed to be gracious to us, which comes from the root word grace. Through that grace come all the "benefits" of the gospel....salvation, Holy Spirit, blessing, provision, protection, guidance, power, spiritual gifts, etc.

Amen, well said!

God doesn't just give us a "grace force" or something like that. Jesus in you, the hope of glory. Jesus is made unto you sanctification. I can do all things through Christ Who gives me strength.

Grace is God's favor in Jesus living in us, Jesus is Who empowers us with His very life.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

Amen, well said!

God doesn't just give us a "grace force" or something like that. Jesus in you, the hope of glory. Jesus is made unto you sanctification. I can do all things through Christ Who gives me strength.

Grace is God's favor in Jesus living in us, Jesus is Who empowers us with His very life.

Much love!

Who said anything about a "grace force"? That is a discombobulated misrepresentation of what I said. The grace of God empowers us to walk as he walked. However, I am sure you will wrest and twist this statement into a caricature invented by your carnal mind.

Much Love!

 

[Episkopos]

Amen, well said!

God doesn't just give us a "grace force" or something like that. Jesus in you, the hope of glory. Jesus is made unto you sanctification. I can do all things through Christ Who gives me strength.

Grace is God's favor in Jesus living in us, Jesus is Who empowers us with His very life.

Much love!

At least in theory...right?

 

[ProDeo]

The grace of God empowers us to walk as he walked.

1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1John 2:5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Some context in color.

What do you think, is John saying we ought to walk without sin because Jesus was without sin ?

 

[shepherdsword]

1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1John 2:5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
1John 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Some context in color.

What do you think, is John saying we ought to walk without sin because Jesus was without sin ?

Are you saying grace does NOT empower us? Here you go, pulling out your "it's ok to sin because I'm human" card like it's a Mastercard or Visa based on the word "ought" . John writes these things so we may not sin but you seem to think the "OUGHT" in verse 6 gives us a pass. The word in Greek is "ofilo" and means to OWE or be under obligation. So based on that...what do you think?



So yes, the grace and power are there but we are two proud or carnal to be able to receive it all.

 

[marks]

The grace of God empowers us to walk as he walked.

Christ Himself empowers us.

Much love!

 

[ProDeo]

Are you saying grace does NOT empower us? Here you go, pulling out your "it's ok to sin because I'm human" card like it's a Mastercard or Visa based on the word "ought" . John writes these things so we may not sin but you seem to think the "OUGHT" in verse 6 gives us a pass. The word in Greek is "ofilo" and means to OWE or be under obligation. So based on that...what do you think?

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So yes, the grace and power are there but we are two proud or carnal to be able to receive it all.

Sad Shep.

I asked you an honest question, and then dang, judgement.

 

[Episkopos]

The carnal mind loves to overthink things and look through a microscope which can't see the thing as a whole....that is VANITY. In both senses of the word.

I suggest you stop trying to overthink things with the many verses you post out of context. You need to see the bigger picture.

 

[marks]

Sad Shep.

I asked you an honest question, and then dang, judgement.

It remains noteworthy to me, that as there are essentially 2 groups posting on either side of this of this thread, there are two distinct spirits on display in each set of posts. Have you noticed that?

Much love!