Your thoughts on assisted dying?

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Matthias

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I wanted our government to be sensible about this.... And fyi the bill actually passed last time in the house of commons, but then has to go to the house of lords and a time limit was in place and didn't pass there.
Maybe next time it's proposed there will be a different outcome.

Murder is wrong. Legalizing it won’t make it right.
 

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@Mancunian is murder good or evil in your worldview?
It's evil obviously, but we are not talking about murder here as you well know.
We are talking about assisted dying, a choice that should be available to people in certain cases.
I agree that safeguards need to be in place and it should be used in a humanitarian way.
A person's dignity and human rights should always be observed by health care professionals.
 

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And if you think that it's evil, why did your God commit genocide?
And why are murderers allowed into your heaven?
 

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It's evil obviously, …

We’re in agreement on that.

… but we are not talking about murder here as you well know.

We are talking about murder here. It is currently illegal in your country. If a sick person - or even a healthy person - wants to end their life they can’t legally call in a hit man to do it.

We are talking about assisted dying, a choice that should be available to people in certain cases.

The assisted dying you‘re longing for isn’t the status quo. The assisted dying you’re longing for is legalized self murder.

I agree that safeguards need to be in place and it should be used in a humanitarian way.
A person's dignity and human rights should always be observed by health care professionals.

What you want is a politicians vote to call evil good.
 
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We’re in agreement on that.



We are talking about murder here. It is currently illegal in your country. If a sick person - or even a healthy person - wants to end their life they can’t legally call in a hit man to do it.



Assisted self murder.



What you want is a legal ruling to call evil good.
Except if it was legal and consented to it wouldn't be evil, it would be kind and considerate of the person's wishes.
 

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He rendered judgment on them.




Unrepentant murderers will not enter the coming kingdom of God.
He rendered judgement on every living thing on the planet?
Babies that knew nothing, animals?

So if you repent and accept Jesus, you can murder as many people as you like?

What a disgusting worldview.
 

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Is genocide moral?
Is owning slaves moral?
Is ordering the slaughter of children and babies moral?
It depends on how one defines morality. From the atheist perspective, if they're being honest, morality is a human construct.

These are some of your God's examples of objective morality.
The Old Testament is indeed hard to square with a loving God, it's true. He's more akin to a Jewish war god in the old texts.

Of course morality is subjective.
Then it doesn't exist. Furthermore, it means that the only difference between you, me, and the most destructive despots of the 20th century, is a difference of opinion.

What in your opinion is more moral,
Forgiving people of their sins, just because you have the power to do so, or having your son tortured and crucified?
The son took up the mission willingly, by his own admission. What does it matter in the end? You said it yourself: morality is subjective, someone's opinion. And in that world, might makes right every time.
 
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It's assisted dying not suicide. To commit suicide is to take one's own life.
Face palm....it's the same result.

In some cases it's murder. There's not suppose to be coercion but in some instances there is.

Not everyone is screaming in pain...withering in agony....which seems to be your argument.
 
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