Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[CrowCross]

There is Genuine Hope for you and @CrowCross IF you love Christ = Because HE does love you!!!

Sooooooooooo, lets get this straight...real straight David. ....Because I don't believe the way you believe..I'M LOST...and you're not....and there is still Genuine Hope for me?

 

[CrowCross]

but in both cases eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, buying and selling, planting and building. His point, driven home with two examples, was about the suddenness and the unexpectedness of the coming of the end for the wicked.

Exactly...<smile>...you're getting it...<larger smile>...the social economic times were looking good....<chuckle>....then suddenly it all happened....<grins>.....things changed...<chuckles>....You explained the world at the end of the tribulation. <smile>.

 

[David in NJ]

Sooooooooooo, lets get this straight...real straight David. ....Because I don't believe the way you believe..I'M LOST...and you're not....and there is still Genuine Hope for me?

Where did i say your were lost?
The disciples whom Christ went and walked with after His Resurrection were BLESSED Beyond Measure!!!

And you are angry with me because you did not understand that passage of scripture and the BEAUTIFUL LOVE of GOD in it for us?

 

[CrowCross]

That's a stretch.
Noah was aware of what God was going to do = end all life.
He then spends 70 to 100 years building an ark to save his household lol.
Looks like he knew he was going to be present when the sudden destruction came and only his faith in Gods salvation was going to save him. So shall be the coming of the Son of man.

What about the rest of my post?
Why isn't the last day our resurrection day in Jn 6? It's the last day for the ungodly in JN 12 right?

You keep pointing towards a pre-trib rapture. That's great!!!!

While Noah built the ark....things looked good.... After all it wouldn't make sense to build an ark at the end of the flood. Then again for the post-tribber mind set...who knows that might make sense. Does it make sense to you Jeff?

 

[PinSeeker]

Exactly...<smile>...you're getting it...<larger smile>...

Always did...

Maybe you are, now...

the social economic times were looking good....<chuckle>

Nothing to do with "social economic times"... But they had no idea sudden judgment was about to come upon them...

....then suddenly it all happened....<grins>.....things changed...<chuckles>....

It will be sudden and unexpected, yes.

You explained the world at the end of the tribulation. <smile>.

Well, no, I explained it at the time the flood came in Noah's day... it's suddenness and unexpectedness, and then at the time of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah... it's suddenness and unexpectedness, and, yes, how it will be all the way up to just prior to Jesus's return, which will be, yes, after the time of tribulation has ended. Which I've been very clear about all along; yes, after the time of tribulation is ended, Jesus will return, and the final judgment will be exacted on the unrepentant.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[David in NJ]

Where did i say your were lost?
The disciples whom Christ went and walked with after His Resurrection were BLESSED Beyond Measure!!!

And you are angry with me because you did not understand that passage of scripture and the BEAUTIFUL LOVE of GOD in it for us?

@CrowCross
Why are you angry?

Did the disciples of Christ get angry at Christ's Love for them by opening their minds to the Scriptures?

 

[ewq1938]

You keep pointing towards a pre-trib rapture. That's great!!!!

The flood is not symbolic of the tribulation but the wrath of God that comes after the trib., Thus, the story of Noah is likened to post-trib with God's elect being removed/protected before the unsaved are punished for the wicked lives they lived before the flood.

Same with Lot. Wicked lives, an angel literally takes Lot and family away to safety and the wrath of God destroys Sodom. That's a posttrib type of a story as is Noah.

Nothing in the story is pre-trib related.

 

[PinSeeker]

I see the ark as a type of Christ. Jesus is our ark.

Much love!

"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world" (Hebrews 1:1-2)

This is but one; Jesus appears ~ as a type/shadow ~ many, many times throughout the Old Testament. You know, Jesus said the whole Old Testament was about Him:

• "(Moses) wrote of Me..." (John 5:46)

• "...beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, (Jesus) interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself" (Luke 24:27).

• “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled” (Jesus, Luke 24:44).

• Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him..." (Jesus) "...of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph” (John 1:45).

Preaching to the choir, I guess/hope... <smile>

Grace and peace to you, Marks!...

 

[PinSeeker]

The flood is not symbolic of the tribulation but the wrath of God that comes after the trib., Thus, the story of Noah is likened to post-trib with God's elect being removed/protected before the unsaved are punished for the wicked lives they lived before the flood.

Same with Lot. Wicked lives, an angel literally takes Lot and family away to safety and the wrath of God destroys Sodom. That's a posttrib type of a story as is Noah.

No one was "removed" from creation. They were spared of the judgment God placed upon the world in Noah's day and Sodom and Gomorrah in Lot's. And so it will be in the final judgment: clothed in His righteousness, we will stand in the judgment and will not be subject to the second death. No one will be removed from creation except the unrepentant, who will be... sent away... into eternal punishment. <shudder> All of creation will be made new.

Nothing in the story is pre-trib related.

Well, we will have come through the time of tribulation... been brought through it, actually. And then, we will not be subject to the second death, we will stand in the final judgment, and enter into the promised rest, the eternal sabbath, the new heaven and new earth.

Grace and peace.

 

[jeffweeder]

You keep pointing towards a pre-trib rapture. That's great!!!!

Noah's day is about escaping the day of Gods wrath (righteous judgment). You agree?

God provided a means of salvation that required one's faith.
If Noah would have ignored Gods exact specifications for the Ark, what would have happened to his household?

Thankfully Noah paid attention to the details and escaped the life ending event that was being poured out all around him.
So it shall be when the Son of man is revealed, as 2 Thess 1 attests.

Those who reject the Gospel of salvation will suffer Eternal separation from his second coming presence, while those who receive the Gospel will be glorified in his second coming presence forever.

2Thess 1
This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

On this forum certain post-trip and one who accepts AMillennialism asked for where the bible speaks of a Pre-tribulation rapture.

Here is my response.

The bible doesn't outright say...."the rapture will be followed by a 7 year tribulation. The bible also doesn't say outright there is a trinity consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But, if you connect the dots a Christian can understand the basic principles of the Godhead.

When the dots surround the rapture of the church are connected the pre-trib rapture becomes obvious.

For example I have shown you the bible presents Jesus as returning on a white horse in Rev 19 and another return where Jesus isn't riding a white horse.

Get serious. Jesus will not be literally riding a white horse when He returns any more than He will have a literal sword coming out of His mouth that He uses to literally slay people. Revelation 19 is a symbolic description of His one future return. His one future return is described literally in other scriptures.

I've even presented you with depictions of the event. No white horse at the rapture while defections show a white horse at the Rev 19 return. That's one dot.

I've presented you with a social economic picture mentioned by Christ Jesus that speaks of His return and describes it like the days of Noah and not......which don't align with the social economic days of the end of the tribulation. Another dot to connect.

You have been presented several verses that show Christians....the bride of Christ... are not destined for wrath or the trials of the 7 year tribulation. Another dot to connect.

You have been shown the 7 year tribulation is a judgement for the people of the earth...and should understand Jesus already paid the price for that Judgement concerning Christians on the cross 2,000 years ago.....another dot to connect.

Another dot to connect would be the many mansions (dwelling places) in heaven that Jesus is currently building and the promise of His return to take us there. This fits in with the Jewish engagement and wedding of the times of Christ.

I have shown you another dot with the 2 Thes 2 mention of the gathering and removal of the restrainer and departure that happens prior to the 7 year tribulation. One more dot to connect.

You have been shown that the Church isn't mentioned by name after after chapter 4 of Revelations (19 times prior to chapter 5) and then not again to chapter 20. ....this is another dot.

There's more dots to connect that are buried deeper in scripture that I won't mention.

Dot + dot + dot + dot + dot + dot + dot = a pre-trib rapture. All you need to do is connect them.

Where are your dots to connect that show a single return of Jesus at the end of the tribulation?

The dots that connect pre-trib just lead to one big question mark of how in the world anyone can believe that nonsense.