Sooooooooooo, lets get this straight...real straight David. ....Because I don't believe the way you believe..I'M LOST...and you're not....and there is still Genuine Hope for me?
Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.
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Exactly...<smile>...you're getting it...<larger smile>...the social economic times were looking good....<chuckle>....then suddenly it all happened....<grins>.....things changed...<chuckles>....You explained the world at the end of the tribulation. <smile>.
David in NJ
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Where did i say your were lost?
The disciples whom Christ went and walked with after His Resurrection were BLESSED Beyond Measure!!!
And you are angry with me because you did not understand that passage of scripture and the BEAUTIFUL LOVE of GOD in it for us?
You keep pointing towards a pre-trib rapture. That's great!!!!
While Noah built the ark....things looked good.... After all it wouldn't make sense to build an ark at the end of the flood. Then again for the post-tribber mind set...who knows that might make sense. Does it make sense to you Jeff?
Always did...
Maybe you are, now...
Nothing to do with "social economic times"... But they had no idea sudden judgment was about to come upon them...
It will be sudden and unexpected, yes.
Well, no, I explained it at the time the flood came in Noah's day... it's suddenness and unexpectedness, and then at the time of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah... it's suddenness and unexpectedness, and, yes, how it will be all the way up to just prior to Jesus's return, which will be, yes, after the time of tribulation has ended. Which I've been very clear about all along; yes, after the time of tribulation is ended, Jesus will return, and the final judgment will be exacted on the unrepentant.
Grace and peace to you.
David in NJ
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Why are you angry?
Did the disciples of Christ get angry at Christ's Love for them by opening their minds to the Scriptures?
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The flood is not symbolic of the tribulation but the wrath of God that comes after the trib., Thus, the story of Noah is likened to post-trib with God's elect being removed/protected before the unsaved are punished for the wicked lives they lived before the flood.
Same with Lot. Wicked lives, an angel literally takes Lot and family away to safety and the wrath of God destroys Sodom. That's a posttrib type of a story as is Noah.
Nothing in the story is pre-trib related.
"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world" (Hebrews 1:1-2)
This is but one; Jesus appears ~ as a type/shadow ~ many, many times throughout the Old Testament. You know, Jesus said the whole Old Testament was about Him:
- "(Moses) wrote of Me..." (John 5:46)
- "...beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, (Jesus) interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself" (Luke 24:27).
- “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled” (Jesus, Luke 24:44).
- Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him..." (Jesus) "...of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph” (John 1:45).
Grace and peace to you, Marks!...
No one was "removed" from creation. They were spared of the judgment God placed upon the world in Noah's day and Sodom and Gomorrah in Lot's. And so it will be in the final judgment: clothed in His righteousness, we will stand in the judgment and will not be subject to the second death. No one will be removed from creation except the unrepentant, who will be... sent away... into eternal punishment. <shudder> All of creation will be made new.
Well, we will have come through the time of tribulation... been brought through it, actually. And then, we will not be subject to the second death, we will stand in the final judgment, and enter into the promised rest, the eternal sabbath, the new heaven and new earth.
Grace and peace.
jeffweeder
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Noah's day is about escaping the day of Gods wrath (righteous judgment). You agree?
God provided a means of salvation that required one's faith.
If Noah would have ignored Gods exact specifications for the Ark, what would have happened to his household?
Thankfully Noah paid attention to the details and escaped the life ending event that was being poured out all around him.
So it shall be when the Son of man is revealed, as 2 Thess 1 attests.
Those who reject the Gospel of salvation will suffer Eternal separation from his second coming presence, while those who receive the Gospel will be glorified in his second coming presence forever.
2Thess 1
This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day
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