The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD: if it wasn't the destruction of Babylon as described in Revelation, what was it then? If Jerusalem wasn't Babylon (even though the NT gives plenty of hints that she was) who was Babylon then?
Did Jesus return around 70 AD?
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It was Rome punishing a rebellion. Even Christ said to obey the rule of Rome but some didn't listen and it happened more than once but many only know the one in 70AD. Jerusalem is also not Babylon.
Was? It was a city. In Rev it is a symbolic woman.
I think you have shown your true colors. From now on when you speak of preterist don't call them "they" call them "we"
Because, like them, you claim a second coming of Christ and a resurrection but cannot present any proof.
Jerusalem is never called "Babylon" in the scriptures. It is spiritually called "Sodom and Egypt". Also, Jerusalem has never reigned over the cities of the earth, at least, not yet.
Jerusalem was the city that killed Jesus, the prophets and the Christians. Jerusalem was the most powerful city in the world. The temple was in fact the central financial institution of the world. What do you think was the reason every world empire wanted Jerusalem within their territory? Jerusalem was Babylon, the great woman. If Jerusalem wasnt Babylon then tell me who was.
Rome murdered more Christians than Jerusalem
This is untrue. Jerusalem has never been the most powerful city in the world. It has never been the central financial institution of the world. A simple google search disproves that notion.
What city rules over the nations of the earth? Hint...it's not Jerusalem.
Rv 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Luke 13:33
Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day, for it is not possible that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.
See? Sodom and Egypt...not babylon
He was speaking figuratively in reference to his own crucifixion. He wasn't saying that every prophet has to die in Jerusalem. This can be proven from scripture
The prophet of Judah sent to Bethel
1 Ki 13:26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the Lord: therefore the Lord hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake unto him.
Revelation 18:24
And in Babylon was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.
Matthew 23:34-37
On account of this, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will flog in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
Israel and Jerusalem judged but not totally destroyed as Babylon is destined to be (Rev 18)
1)Israel will go through a series of successful judgements that will eradicate all non believing jews and restore faith in the Messiah to the elect jews.( Joel 2:32)
2)Half of Jerusalem will be destroyed.(Zech 14:2)
3)Two thirds of Israel will be destroyed by judgement.(Zech 13:8)
4)The remaining one third elect will cry "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" and repent to have faith in Jesus Christ(Matt 23:39)
5)And so all Israel shall be saved (Rom11:26)
6) Jew and Gentile will be united into an everlasting Messianic Kingdom(Eph 2:15-22 Dan 2:44)
Revelation 18:21-23
So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer. And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer; and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer.
Jeremiah 7:34
Then I will make to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, for the land will become a waste place.
Two different prophetic contexts with two different outcomes. Rev 18 deals with Babylon which shall never recover. Jer 7 deals with the then coming judgement on Judah by Nebuchadnezzar...and after 70 years Jerusalem was rebuilt. You are cherrypicking and merging two different prophetic events into one.
Also, Jerusalem was rebuilt after 70ad...this will not happen to Babylon after it is destroyed.
Jerusalem was rebuilt after 70 ad and stand to this day. How could it be Babylon in Rev 18?
Revelation 18:4-7
Come out of Babylon, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Pay her back even as she paid, and give her back double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning.
Luke 21:20-22
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is at hand. Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the countryside must not enter the city; because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
If meaning Jerusalem in the first century but has already been fulfilled, meaning the following---and shall be found no more at all---and that it is still found today undeniably contradicts Revelation 18:21.
Therefore, Preterists treat this phrase 'no more' the same way Amils treat this phrase 'no more' in Revelation 20:3. That it doesn't literally mean what it says. How can be found no more literally mean that if it can still be found after it can be found no more? Don't some of these interpreters even know what a contradiction looks like? Don't some of these interpreters even realize(it's not like they are not intelligent, therefore, they have no excuse) that if per their interpretation if something is contradicting something rather than agreeing, that it means the interpretation itself is not valid, in that case?
Granted, some contradictions are not always obvious, yet some plainly are. In the book of Revelation the phrase 'no more' is used a number of times in various verses. Not one single time does it ever mean what Preterists have it meaning in Revelation 18:21 and what Amils have it meaning in Revelation 20:3. In each case here all one has to do is compare with reality in order to debunk their interpretations. Jerusalem can still be found, even right now. Nations are still being deceived when Revelation 20:3 says they can't be, even right now and for the past 2K years.
But what is still more terrible; there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian, and an husbandman, who, four years before the war began (62 AD); and at a time when Jerusalem was in very great peace and prosperity; came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, began on a sudden to cry aloud, “A voice from the east; a voice from the west; a voice from the four winds; a voice against Jerusalem, and the holy house; a voice against the bridegrooms, and the brides; and a voice against this whole people.” This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his; and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes. Yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him: but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man; brought him to the Roman procurator. Where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare. Yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears: but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, “Woe, woe to Jerusalem.” And when Albinus, (for he was then our procurator;) asked him, “Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words?” he made no manner of reply to what he said: but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty: till Albinus took him to be a mad-man, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens; nor was seen by them while he said so. But he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow: “Woe, woe to Jerusalem.” Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food: but this was his reply to all men; and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years, and five months; without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith. Until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege (70 AD); when it ceased. For as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, “Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house.” And just as he added at the last, “Woe, woe to myself also,” there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately. And as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.
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