Mary the Queen of Heaven?

[amigo de christo]

This is a history of the early church battles against philosophers.

Either Jesus came to judge only men, or Jesus will judge women through Mary.

There was once a man named confuscious . Very confused that one was my friend .
Let us not follow in his footsteps .
We are not judged by mary or by any man .
Here is the judge . MY WORDS shall be his judge on the last day .
I cannot save you , you cannot save you , mary cannot sav e us .
ONLY JESUS . And when i say JESUS i mean JESUS and not another jesus .

 

[amigo de christo]

If Mary is not accepted as the mother of all women, then women are left without divine guidance.

Their offspring will be born in the likeness of an abomination because they worship a detestable thing.

This sounds like new age mid eastern divination .
How about IF JESUS IS NOT ACCEPTED as The SON of , Christ of GOD
That HE was crucified and rose again the third day . Very odd you preach mary
NOT JESUS . frankly the flesh profits nothing , and whether one is born male or female
matters not . What matters is , YA BEDDA HAVE ALL FAITH IN JESUS The CHRIST .

 

[Marvelloustime]

This sounds like new age mid eastern divination .
How about IF JESUS IS NOT ACCEPTED as The SON of , Christ of GOD
That HE was crucified and rose again the third day . Very odd you preach mary
NOT JESUS . frankly the flesh profits nothing , and whether one is born male or female
matters not . What matters is , YA BEDDA HAVE ALL FAITH IN JESUS The CHRIST .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

++++then women are left without divine guidance
Not if they follow the teachings of Jesus VIA Paul for today :)

IF JESUS is not accepted as the Christ , the Son of GOD
that HE was crucified for our sins and rose again the third day ,
THEN both the man and woman who d oes not beleive
IS L EF T WITHOUT DIVINE guidance . This other fellow knows not what he teaches . As for us
WE shall point all men and women TO JESUS the GLORIOUS CHRIST .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Study your bible yourself and humble yourself from the snide remark. Everyone of Acts 14, 17, and 19 Paul preached and got stoned, and preached again. No debate mentioned.

The Early Church preached - and DEBATED to defend the truth.
STUDY the Word of God. Don't just blinfly comoe to your OWN conclusions . . .

Acts 15:1-2
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and DEBATE with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 18:28
For he (Apollos) vigorously refuted his Jewish opponents in public DEBATE, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah.

ζετεσισ
Pronunciation: dzay'-tay-sis
Definition: 1) a seeking 2) enquiry 3) a questioning, DEBATE 4) a subject of questioning or DEBATE, matter of controversy
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from 2212; a searching (properly, the act), i.e. a DISPUTE or its theme:-question. see GREEK for 2212

 

[bdavidc]

Can a man judge a woman, or can a woman judge a man?

If Jesus is to judge humanity, both men and women, then logically, Jesus must embody both masculine and feminine aspects, being outwardly male and inwardly female.

What you hate has become your God of worship. You have put An abomination at sacred space.

What you just presented is not biblical teaching. It is speculation dressed up as spiritual understanding, and you have not provided a single verse to support it.

Jesus Christ does not need to be inwardly female to judge women. That is an absurd conclusion that Scripture never teaches. Jesus said, “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” (John 5:22). His authority to judge comes from the Father, not from possessing some imaginary combination of male and female characteristics.

Acts 17:31 explicitly says God will judge the world “by that man whom he hath ordained.” Scripture identifies Jesus Christ as the man appointed to judge humanity. Where does the Bible say He is inwardly female? Show us the verse.

And accusing me of hatred and placing an abomination in a sacred space does not change what Scripture says. You are making accusations without biblical evidence while avoiding the very issue being discussed.

Where does Scripture call Mary the Queen of Heaven? Where does God command anyone to pray to her, consecrate their family to her, or place their lives under her protection?

You cannot produce those commands because Scripture does not give them.

Instead, 1 Timothy 2:5 declares, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

Mary herself declared, “My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour” (Luke 1:46-47). She pointed to God as her Saviour, not to herself as someone Christians should pray to.

Stop replacing Scripture with your own reasoning and then accusing those who question you of hatred. Jesus warned, “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7).

The issue is not whether you can invent a spiritual explanation that sounds impressive. The issue is whether God has actually said it.

If you believe your claims are biblical, open the Bible and prove them. Otherwise, stop presenting your imagination as the truth of God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

++++then women are left without divine guidance
Not if they follow the teachings of Jesus VIA Paul for today :)

Just as Eve was “the mother of all the living” (Gen 3:20) - Mary, the mother of Jesus our Brother, became “the mother of all living in Christ”. Just as SIN came into the world through ONE man (Adam) (Rom. 5:12-17) – Salvation comes through ONE man, Jesus Chriat.

Jesus’ words from the cross “Woman behold thy son” and “behold thy mother” in John’s Gospel are key.. If Jesus spoke these words ONLY to tie up loose ends and make sure that his mother was cared for, they make NO sense because he had plenty of time to make those provision for her before his death. He knew far in advance that he was going to die.
Besides, according to MOST of you - He already had siblings to take care of her . . .

In John’s Gospel, Jesus never refers to his mother as “Mother” (John 2:4, 19:26). Whenever he addresses his mother, he calls her “woman”. Anti-Catholics try to point to this as “proof “that there was “nothing special” about Mary - or that Jesus didn’t hold her in very high regard. This couldn’t be further from the truth. This correlates DIRECTLY to the “Woman” in Gen. 3:15 and in Rev. 12.

Jesus defeats death on Calvary (Skull place) and fulfills the prophecy in Gen. 3:15 about the offspring of the WOMAN. Mary is present at the foot of the cross while this is happening - and what does Jesus call her in John 19:26? He calls her “WOMAN”, because the prophecy about the head of the serpent being crushed in Genesis is taking place right there on Calvary . . .

 

[Rockerduck]

The Early Church preached - and DEBATED to defend the truth.
STUDY the Word of God. Don't just blinfly comoe to your OWN conclusions . . .

Acts 15:1-2
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and DEBATE with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 18:28
For he (Apollos) vigorously refuted his Jewish opponents in public DEBATE, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah.

ζετεσισ
Pronunciation: dzay'-tay-sis
Definition: 1) a seeking 2) enquiry 3) a questioning, DEBATE 4) a subject of questioning or DEBATE, matter of controversy
________________________________________
from 2212; a searching (properly, the act), i.e. a DISPUTE or its theme:-question. see GREEK for 2212

That wasn't in Acts 14, 17, 19 you originally said. I have two bible that disagree with your bible, that debate isn't mentioned. I still contend that Paul preached at those who were arguing against Paul's preaching. Paul did not debate. The Apostle Paul stood firm and everyone else argued. To debate, is a matter of arguing both sides. I do not debate, there is only one Gospel. Anyway, I got you to read Acts more.

 

[sondring7]

That wasn't in Acts 14, 17, 19 you originally said. I have two bible that disagree with your bible, that debate isn't mentioned. I still contend that Paul preached at those who were arguing against Paul's preaching. Paul did not debate. The Apostle Paul stood firm and everyone else argued. To debate, is a matter of arguing both sides. I do not debate, there is only one Gospel. Anyway, I got you to read Acts more.

++++there is only one Gospel. Anyway

1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 as Christ taught to Paul Gal 1:11-12 who then had to go to explain it to Peter/12 Gal 2:2

 

[Fathom]

Fathom, what you just presented is not biblical teaching. It is speculation dressed up as spiritual understanding, and you have not provided a single verse to support it.

Jesus Christ does not need to be inwardly female to judge women. That is an absurd conclusion that Scripture never teaches. Jesus said, “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” (John 5:22). His authority to judge comes from the Father, not from possessing some imaginary combination of male and female characteristics.

Acts 17:31 explicitly says God will judge the world “by that man whom he hath ordained.” Scripture identifies Jesus Christ as the man appointed to judge humanity. Where does the Bible say He is inwardly female? Show us the verse.

And accusing me of hatred and placing an abomination in a sacred space does not change what Scripture says. You are making accusations without biblical evidence while avoiding the very issue being discussed.

Where does Scripture call Mary the Queen of Heaven? Where does God command anyone to pray to her, consecrate their family to her, or place their lives under her protection?

You cannot produce those commands because Scripture does not give them.

Instead, 1 Timothy 2:5 declares, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

Mary herself declared, “My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour” (Luke 1:46-47). She pointed to God as her Saviour, not to herself as someone Christians should pray to.

Stop replacing Scripture with your own reasoning and then accusing those who question you of hatred. Jesus warned, “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7).

The issue is not whether you can invent a spiritual explanation that sounds impressive. The issue is whether God has actually said it.

If you believe your claims are biblical, open the Bible and prove them. Otherwise, stop presenting your imagination as the truth of God.

Your mediator is Sola scriptura (66 books) introduce by martin luther and john calvin the rebels. You’re bound by it, and your understanding can’t go any further.

Based on sola scriptura (66 books), the passage I’m able to point to is Paul’s writing in 1 Corinthians 14:34-38.

Since you teach scripture, could you help me understand Paul’s point in 1 Corinthians 14:34-38?

 

[sondring7]

Your mediator is Sola scriptura (66 books) introduce by martin luther and john calvin the rebels. You’re bound by it, and your understanding can’t go any further.

Based on sola scriptura (66 books), the passage I’m able to point to is Paul’s writing in 1 Corinthians 14:34-38.

Since you teach scripture, could you help me understand Paul’s point in 1 Corinthians 14:34-38?

+++++Your mediator is Sola scriptura (66 books) introduce by martin luther and john calvin the rebels

Yet Cathos & Pros agree on the 27 books of the NT, what point are you trying to make ?

 

[Fathom]

There was once a man named confuscious . Very confused that one was my friend .
Let us not follow in his footsteps .
We are not judged by mary or by any man .
Here is the judge . MY WORDS shall be his judge on the last day .
I cannot save you , you cannot save you , mary cannot sav e us .
ONLY JESUS . And when i say JESUS i mean JESUS and not another jesus .

who is this 'another' Jesus?

 

[Fathom]

+++++Your mediator is Sola scriptura (66 books) introduce by martin luther and john calvin the rebels

Yet Cathos & Pros agree on the 27 books of the NT, what point are you trying to make ?

The writings of the early Church Fathers are often dismissed by Protestants, and many remain unaware of them, largely because they view Catholics as a harlot.

 

[David in NJ]

If Mary is not accepted as the mother of all women, then women are left without divine guidance.

From whence hast thou derived at such a mindset?

 

[David in NJ]

The writings of the early Church Fathers are often dismissed by Protestants, and many remain unaware of them, largely because they view Catholics as a harlot.

When did the first writings of the "early Church fathers" first appear?

 

[David1701]

The writings of the early Church Fathers are often dismissed by Protestants, and many remain unaware of them, largely because they view Catholics as a harlot.

Roman Catholicism is the harlot, not individuals who call themselves "Catholics", some of whom are probably saved (e.g. there was Charles Chiniquy, who preached the gospel for years, from within RCism, until a new bishop hounded him out).

The Bible tells us to "Come out of her my people, that you partake not in her sins and receive not of her plagues."; so, if you trust in, cling to and rely upon the Lord Jesus Christ (not the RC system and its false doctrines), then you need to come out of her and fellowship instead with the true people of God.

Re. the OP: "Queen of Heaven" is the pagan title of a false goddess from the O.T.. This title has absolutely NOTHING to do with the biblical Mary, who would be horrified to be given such a blasphemous title.

Jer. 7:16-20 (MKJV)
16 Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up cry nor prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you.
17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
18 The sons gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.
19 Do they vex Me? says the LORD. Is it not themselves to the shame of their own faces?
20 Therefore so says the Lord GOD; Behold, My anger and My fury shall be poured out on this place, on man, and on animal, and on the trees of the field, and on the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be put out.

 

[BreadOfLife]

That wasn't in Acts 14, 17, 19 you originally said. I have two bible that disagree with your bible, that debate isn't mentioned.

I don‘t care HOW many Bibles you have - because the NT wasn’t written in 21st century English. You REALLY need to get over that fact . . .

I still contend that Paul preached at those who were arguing against Paul's preaching.

YOU can “contend” all you want. It doesn’t change the facts represented by the original Koine Greek in which the NT was written.

Paul did not debate. The Apostle Paul stood firm and everyone else argued. To debate, is a matter of arguing both sides.

Once again – you’re simply repeating a fantasy . . .

I do not debate, there is only one Gospel. Anyway, I got you to read Acts more.

Which is precisely why YOU are NOT a good evangelist . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Roman Catholicism is the harlot, not individuals who call themselves "Catholics", some of whom are probably saved (e.g. there was Charles Chiniquy, who preached the gospel for years, from within RCism, until a new bishop hounded him out).

Charles Chiniquy?
REALLY??

ANYBOY who takes Chiniquy seriously in this day and age is NOT interested in Truth.
Time for a History Lesson on Ol’ Charley . . .

Chiniquy was a bitter ex-priest who was excommunicated in 1855 after TWICE being suspended for moral terpitude. He spent the rest of his life lashing-out at the Church – even to the point of accusing the Church of murdering of Abraham Lincoln!

In 1885, he wrote a book titled Fifty Years in the Church of Rome about the “horros” of the Church which has been DEBUNKED by scores of researchers – both Catholic and Protestant alike. He was subsequently expelled from Protestant assemblies due to embezzlement and "misappropriation of money”.

Do your Homework.
The fact that you present Chiniquy as a “Messenger of Trith” speaks VOLUMES about YOU . . .

Re. the OP: "Queen of Heaven" is the pagan title of a false goddess from the O.T.. This title has absolutely NOTHING to do with the biblical Mary, who would be horrified to be given such a blasphemous title.

Jer. 7:16-20 (MKJV)
16 Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up cry nor prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you.
17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
18 The sons gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.
19 Do they vex Me? says the LORD. Is it not themselves to the shame of their own faces?
20 Therefore so says the Lord GOD; Behold, My anger and My fury shall be poured out on this place, on man, and on animal, and on the trees of the field, and on the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be put out.

Soooo, “Queen of Heaven” is only a “Pagan title??

Here is a short list of Pagan titles and terms that are SHARED by Christianity:
- Lord
- God
- Liturgy
- Sacred
- Sacrifice

Does this mean that we can NO LONGER use these Biblical terms?
Your WEAK argument is crushed under the weight of your own ignorance . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

When did the first writings of the "early Church fathers" first appear?

They came out in the FIRST century and several centuries after.
They were written and read in real time . . .

 

[David in NJ]

They came out in the FIRST century and several centuries after.
They were written and read in real time . . .

Thank you for your response.

i am waiting on @Fathom response.