Mary the Queen of Heaven?

[amigo de christo]

From whence hast thou derived at such a mindset?

ask me from whence that person has derived such a mindset . A mindset that points to mary NOT JESUS .
that points to male and female , NOT the SPIRITUAL .
A quick hint . NOT FROM GOD at all comes that mindset he teaches .

 

[amigo de christo]

Thank you for your response.

i am waiting on @Fathom response.

what would you do if i made a real simple statement .
And that statement said a massive amount of christains now have no idea
what god they love or follow . Would that statement sound like the rantings of a hater .
And sadly how easy this is to be proven .
How does one know if who they truly love has been GOD or has it been the god who has come to play as though HE IS GOD .
HAve you ever seen GOD . heck even moses was not allowed that . At most , AND FOR HIS OWN SAFETY ,
moses caught but a glimpse of the wee most outer parts of GOD .
Have you seen JESUS .
The apostels did . But we have not seen him as HE IS david .
SO my question to you is
IF none has seen him ,, HOW do they know they truly love him .
Wanna hint . though i am pretty sure you already know the answer .
Here is the hint . FOR this cause came i into the world and for this reason was i born
to TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH .
TRUTH david . TRUTH .
as HE IS the TRUTH .
And what is HIS name . THE WORD OF GOD .
SO
if a man loves not but rather twists the words of GOD , HOW CAN THAT MAN EVEN HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD
let alone LOVE GOD .
TRUTH david . TRUTH .
And no matter how much this generation hates hearing this
EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH . AND g uess what book is full of the words of GOD , the words inspired by the SPIRIT .
IF YA SAID BIBLE . THEN BANG ON SPOT ON RIGHT you are .
HOW do they treat the words in that bible . DO THEY TWIST and omit , OR , OR DO THEY SIMPLY JUST BELIEVE .
Sheep beleive david . wolves twist .

 

[amigo de christo]

Thank you for your response.

i am waiting on @Fathom response.

and what would you do if i told you that the mass majority
of christains within christendom
Have been sold a false love .
IT is written that if a man loves not his brother who he can see
then he loves NOT GOD who he has not seen .
WHAT would you do if i told you even satan can quoate that very truth .
AND YET ONCE again use a love thy neighbor that is actually hate .
IS that truth i just wrote or is it a lie of a man man who is a h ater .
WELL LEST JUST SEE .
MANY today thinks its so lovey do , so caring , so kind
TO ALLOW SINS to remain upon their neighbor as they say HEY DONT Judge to those who do correct sin
and even say STOP HATING ON THEM .
NOW LETS SEE WHAT GOD SAYS AbouT ALL of that .
And belifve me david , IF IT IS WRITTEN IT IS THE TRUTH .
YE shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart , YOU WILL CORRECT HIM and NOT ALLOW SIN UPON HIM .
SOunds to me like satan has used the phrase dont hate and do love , ONLY HE LIED TO THEM ALL WHEN HE DID .
HE sold them the judge not corrrect not , as though it was love and even the LOVE OF GOD .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . GOD calls it hate TO ALLOW SIN to remain upon them and not to correct them .
And folks think i am the judgmental hater and monster . No sir. by grace GOD just put the real
AGAPE love upon my heart . AND GUESS WHAT THAT LOVE
does love above all , EVEN MORE than mother , EVEN more than father or sons or daughters , or wife .
IT LOVETH GOD , HIS CHRIST and thus darn sure would have loved that WHICH PLEASES GOD . TRUTH . T RUTH .
TRUTH .

 

[David1701]

Charles Chiniquy?
REALLY??

ANYBOY who takes Chiniquy seriously in this day and age is NOT interested in Truth.
Time for a History Lesson on Ol’ Charley . . .

Chiniquy was a bitter ex-priest who was excommunicated in 1855 after TWICE being suspended for moral terpitude. He spent the rest of his life lashing-out at the Church – even to the point of accusing the Church of murdering of Abraham Lincoln!

In 1885, he wrote a book titled Fifty Years in the Church of Rome about the “horros” of the Church which has been DEBUNKED by scores of researchers – both Catholic and Protestant alike. He was subsequently expelled from Protestant assemblies due to embezzlement and "misappropriation of money”.

Do your Homework.
The fact that you present Chiniquy as a “Messenger of Trith” speaks VOLUMES about YOU . . .

Soooo, “Queen of Heaven” is only a “Pagan title??

Here is a short list of Pagan titles and terms that are SHARED by Christianity:
- Lord
- God
- Liturgy
- Sacred
- Sacrifice

Does this mean that we can NO LONGER use these Biblical terms?
Your WEAK argument is crushed under the weight of your own ignorance . . .

Chiniquy complained to the Bishop of Chicago (Anthony O'Regan) about his treatment of the Catholic French Canadians there. The bishop threatened to excommunicate him, if he did not agree to be reassigned elsewhere. Chiniquy refused to be reassigned, so the bishop later sent him a letter of excommunication. This is hardly "moral terpitude"!

Chiniquy is far from the only person to think that the Jesuits were likely involved in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln; and, it was Abraham Lincoln who defended Chiniquy, in a court case, in 1855, brought by another Catholic (Peter Spink).

Your characterisation of Chiniquy as being "expelled" from Protestant due to "embezzlement" and "misappropriation of money" is also an over-the-top exaggeration of the facts. See the link below.

Charles Chiniquy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Bible ONLY speaks of the "Queen of Heaven" as a pagan title (and it's only mentioned in the O.T.), NEVER as a title for Mary.

 

[bdavidc]

Your mediator is Sola scriptura (66 books) introduce by martin luther and john calvin the rebels. You’re bound by it, and your understanding can’t go any further.

Based on sola scriptura (66 books), the passage I’m able to point to is Paul’s writing in 1 Corinthians 14:34-38.

Since you teach scripture, could you help me understand Paul’s point in 1 Corinthians 14:34-38?

Fathom, 1 Corinthians 14:34-38 does not support anything you have said about Mary being Queen of Heaven, Christ being inwardly female, or Mary functioning as a mediator.

Paul's subject in 1 Corinthians 14 is order in the gathering of the church. He has already told tongue-speakers to “keep silence” when there is no interpreter (v. 28), and he tells a prophet to “hold his peace” when another receives revelation (v. 30). The same Greek verb, sigaō, is being used. It is not absolute silence under every circumstance. It is silence required for orderly worship.

That must also be understood alongside 1 Corinthians 11:5, where Paul plainly refers to “every woman that prayeth or prophesieth.” So 1 Corinthians 14:34 cannot mean that a woman is forbidden from ever speaking a word in the assembly.

Paul explains the particular problem when he says, “And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home” (1 Corinthians 14:35). Whatever specific disorder was occurring, Paul was correcting it and requiring submission and order rather than confusion.

Then notice verses 36-38:

“What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”

That actually brings us straight back to the issue I raised with you. Paul does not tell Christians to go beyond what God has revealed and invent spiritual doctrines. He tells them to recognize the authority of what was written.

So now show me how 1 Corinthians 14:34-38 teaches that Jesus is inwardly female, that Mary is Queen of Heaven, that Christians should pray to Mary, or that we should place ourselves under Mary's protection.

It does not.

You changed the subject from proving your claims to attacking Scripture as my authority. But attacking the standard does not prove your doctrine. If your teaching comes from God, then show where God revealed it.

As Paul himself wrote earlier in this same letter: “that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6).

That is the issue. Where is it written?

 

[Grailhunter]

You are right. There's nobody in heaven who is dead. And there's nobody alive until the resurrection.

There are aways exceptions. Enoch and Elijah and supposedly Mary.

 

[David in NJ]

and supposedly Mary.

Pure fiction = made up by men void of the truth

 

[Grailhunter]

Pure fiction = made up by men void of the truth

Bible only is great for foundational beliefs but as Christianity moved on there were a lot of changes and a lot of events. And this is where the Bible only people have theological quagmires. There are thousands of events and miracles by Mary, witnessed by thousands of people over the centuries. She converted South America to Christianity.
Then Christianity forbad polygamy, concubinage, and slavery. Then required a church wedding ceremony to be married. Nothing about that in the Bible.
But in function Bible only did not work out, once they got Bibles in their hands in the 16th century they fractured the church into thousands of denominations. So Bible only ended up as opinions. And Christian events did not stop at the end of the biblical era. And the most of Protestants adopted some of the Catholic doctrines regarding the 3 in 1 God and Original Sin.
But belief in Mary is not a salvation thing, I worship with many denominations that do not believe in her ministry. So you do not believe? That is freedom of beliefs.