Mary the Queen of Heaven?

[Fathom]

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

This is a warning for the faithful to keep away from the revolt ignited by martin luther.

 

[Marvelloustime]

and what would you do if i told you that the mass majority
of christains within christendom
Have been sold a false love .
IT is written that if a man loves not his brother who he can see
then he loves NOT GOD who he has not seen .
WHAT would you do if i told you even satan can quoate that very truth .
AND YET ONCE again use a love thy neighbor that is actually hate .
IS that truth i just wrote or is it a lie of a man man who is a h ater .
WELL LEST JUST SEE .
MANY today thinks its so lovey do , so caring , so kind
TO ALLOW SINS to remain upon their neighbor as they say HEY DONT Judge to those who do correct sin
and even say STOP HATING ON THEM .
NOW LETS SEE WHAT GOD SAYS AbouT ALL of that .
And belifve me david , IF IT IS WRITTEN IT IS THE TRUTH .
YE shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart , YOU WILL CORRECT HIM and NOT ALLOW SIN UPON HIM .
SOunds to me like satan has used the phrase dont hate and do love , ONLY HE LIED TO THEM ALL WHEN HE DID .
HE sold them the judge not corrrect not , as though it was love and even the LOVE OF GOD .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . GOD calls it hate TO ALLOW SIN to remain upon them and not to correct them .
And folks think i am the judgmental hater and monster . No sir. by grace GOD just put the real
AGAPE love upon my heart . AND GUESS WHAT THAT LOVE
does love above all , EVEN MORE than mother , EVEN more than father or sons or daughters , or wife .
IT LOVETH GOD , HIS CHRIST and thus darn sure would have loved that WHICH PLEASES GOD . TRUTH . T RUTH .
TRUTH .

@amigo de christo

 

[sondring7]

None shall be given.

Case closed, you are unable to support your claim

 

[sondring7]

This is a warning for the faithful to keep away from the revolt ignited by martin luther.

What is the warning ?
Will a believer 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Col 2:13 saved, HS sealed, forgiven believer become UNsaved, UNsealed, UNforgiven ?
If so please list where Jesus VIA Paul teaches that can happen ?

 

[Brakelite]

Not sure what you mean about Lazarus.

We know Jesus raised him from the dead, but we don't know if he died again or was taken alive to heaven perhaps after Jesus' resurrection. "It is appointed unto men once to die..." Heb9:27

 

[Brakelite]

This is a warning for the faithful to keep away from the revolt ignited by martin luther.

Or what? You burn us at the stake as your forbears did to countless others?

 

[Fathom]

Or what? You burn us at the stake as your forbears did to countless others?

Yes... following Paul's instructions, we’ll hand you over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh. (1 Corinthians 5:5)(1 Timothy 1:20).

 

[Grailhunter]

We know Jesus raised him from the dead, but we don't know if he died again or was taken alive to heaven perhaps after Jesus' resurrection. "It is appointed unto men once to die..." Heb9:27

Well for sure Lazarus grew old and died.

 

[David1701]

Bible only is great for foundational beliefs but as Christianity moved on there were a lot of changes and a lot of events. And this is where the Bible only people have theological quagmires. There are thousands of events and miracles by Mary, witnessed by thousands of people over the centuries. She converted South America to Christianity.
Then Christianity forbad polygamy, concubinage, and slavery. Then required a church wedding ceremony to be married. Nothing about that in the Bible.
But in function Bible only did not work out, once they got Bibles in their hands in the 16th century they fractured the church into thousands of denominations. So Bible only ended up as opinions. And Christian events did not stop at the end of the biblical era. And the most of Protestants adopted some of the Catholic doctrines regarding the 3 in 1 God and Original Sin.
But belief in Mary is not a salvation thing, I worship with many denominations that do not believe in her ministry. So you do not believe? That is freedom of beliefs.

The N.T. warns against polygamy, having concubines (which would involve adultery) and slavery; in fact, even the O.T. warns against these things.

When you say "fractured the church", you are referring to God delivering vast numbers of his people, out of the Whore of Babylon (Roman Catholicism) and into relying upon the Lord Jesus Christ and the word of God (the Holy Bible), instead of all the paganism, rituals and traditions of men taught by RCism. This was a VERY good thing!

Many, many denominations are united in the essentials of the faith; although, they may differ on secondary matters. Roman Catholicism, on the other hand, is only "united" because it tells its adherents what they must believe, as all cults do, instead of telling Christians of their personal responsibility to test all things by Scripture and the witness of the Holy Spirit.

The Trinity and original sin are not "Catholic doctrines"! They are CHRISTIAN doctrines, found in the Bible, which is our sole, sufficient and inerrant rule of faith and practice.

 

[Grailhunter]

The N.T. warns against polygamy, having concubines (which would involve adultery) and slavery; in fact, even the O.T. warns against these things.

You would shock all the scholars if you could provide any scripture that prohibits polygamy, concubines, and slavery in the Old or New Testament. Wedding ceremonies were not required to be married until the 16th century AD. Until then sex consummated the marriage. The only warning that the Old Testament had about polygamy was to kings, and that was for three reasons, dozens of wives could be a distraction and usually involved marrying pagan women as treaties, and the pagan women could introduce them to pagan religions. Which treaties with pagan nations was prohibited by the Mosaic Law. A warning that King David and King Solomon ignored. King Solomon built temples to pagan gods for his wives. The smartest man in the Old Testament?

 

[Grailhunter]

When you say "fractured the church", you are referring to God delivering vast numbers of his people, out of the Whore of Babylon (Roman Catholicism) and into relying upon the Lord Jesus Christ and the word of God (the Holy Bible), instead of all the paganism, rituals and traditions of men taught by RCism. This was a VERY good thing!

Many, many denominations are united in the essentials of the faith; although, they may differ on secondary matters. Roman Catholicism, on the other hand, is only "united" because it tells its adherents what they must believe, as all cults do, instead of telling Christians of their personal responsibility to test all things by Scripture and the witness of the Holy Spirit.

No I mean over 30,000 denominations. How do they differ? As far as salvation, some believe that baptism is not necessary. Some believe that baptism is just a public display of conversion, no miracle. Some believe that the Bread and Wine ritual is not necessary. Some believe that the Bread and Wine ritual does not involve a miracle. Some do not believe in modern miracles. Some do not believe that going to Heaven involves living a moral life. Some believe in Once Save Always Saved and some believe in Universalism. Some believe that going to church is not necessary. Some believe that donating to the church is not necessary. Some believe that helping those in need is not necessary. The parable of the Sheep and the Goats were those that did not help those in need go to Hell is just a joke. Some do not believe in speaking in tongues.

 

[David1701]

You would shock all the scholars if you could provide any scripture that prohibits polygamy, concubines, and slavery in the Old or New Testament. Wedding ceremonies were not required to be married until the 16th century AD. Until then sex consummated the marriage. The only warning that the Old Testament had about polygamy was to kings, and that was for three reasons, dozens of wives could be a distraction and usually involved marrying pagan women as treaties, and the pagan women could introduce them to pagan religions. Which treaties with pagan nations was prohibited by the Mosaic Law. A warning that King David and King Solomon ignored. King Solomon built temples to pagan gods for his wives. The smartest man in the Old Testament?

The principles involved in the warnings to kings (about polygamy) apply to everyone.

Solomon, David and others messed up their lives, and the lives of those around them, by their sins involving polygamy and adultery. The O.T. makes this very clear. The lessons are there for anyone with eyes to see.

Church leaders are to be husbands of one wife, as the Bible states, not polygamists. There might have been some leeway for non-leaders, who already had more than one wife, when they were converted.

Marriage is a type of the Lord's relationship with his people; so, just as Jesus only has one wife (the church universal), so a man should only have one wife; and that his how it was from the beginning (Adam had one wife, and, in agreement with the law of first mention, this is the template for marriage).

Marriage ceremonies are customs, which vary from place to place, so there is room for variety here.

The only slavery permitted under the law of Moses was very different from what we think of as slavery, and there were strict rules for the Jews regarding it.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Trinity and original sin are not "Catholic doctrines"! They are CHRISTIAN doctrines, found in the Bible, which is our sole, sufficient and inerrant rule of faith and practice.

False. You need to know the history of Christianity. There are over a hundred scriptures that prove the 3 in 1 God doctrine false and the 3 in 1 doctrine skews the meaning of over a hundred scriptures. And the doctrine of Original Sin is not in the scriptures. Nothing that says babies have sin and are going to Hell if they die. Humans have a nature to sin, but they are not born with sin. Procreation does not produce sin. St Augustine came up with the belief of Original Sin because he hated women because he could not control himself. And felt that sex was a sin and women were temptresses of the devil.

 

[Grailhunter]

The principles involved in the warnings to kings (about polygamy) apply to everyone.

Find that in the scriptures. To the contrary, Israelite/Jewish beliefs were that a man with many wives and children was a sign of God's blessings.

 

[Grailhunter]

Church leaders are to be husbands of one wife, as the Bible states, not polygamists. There might have been some leeway for non-leaders, who already had more than one wife, when they were converted.

In the New Testament Jewish-Christians still practiced polygamy. That is one of the reasons that you will not find a scripture that tells of Jews with many wives had to divorce all but one to be Christian. Paul's stipulation that church leaders should be husband of one wife actually shows that polygamy was still practiced.

 

[David1701]

No I mean over 30,000 denominations. How do they differ? As far as salvation, some believe that baptism is not necessary. Some believe that baptism is just a public display of conversion, no miracle. Some believe that the Bread and Wine ritual is not necessary. Some believe that the Bread and Wine ritual does not involve a miracle. Some do not believe in modern miracles. Some do not believe that going to Heaven involves living a moral life. Some believe in Once Save Always Saved and some believe in Universalism. Some believe that going to church is not necessary. Some believe that donating to the church is not necessary. Some believe that helping those in need is not necessary. The parable of the Sheep and the Goats were those that did not help those in need go to Hell is just a joke. Some do not believe in speaking in tongues.

Yes, there are many divisions in the body of Christ. It is far from perfect.

Now, what about some of those R.C. teachings?

Veneration of relics (pagan); a celibate, mediatorial priesthood (there is only ONE mediator between God and men - the man Christ Jesus; and leaders should be the husbands of one wife); transubstantiation (idolatry); Mary as "Queen of Heaven" (a pagan title); the blasphemous titles of the "pope" (Vicar of Christ [i.e. instead of Christ, which is what anti-Christ means], Rector Orbis, Holy Father, Pontifex Maximus (a pagan title), etc.); purgatory (unbiblical); maintenance of justification by works (salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, lest anyone should boast); praying and bowing down before pictures and statues (idolatry); indulgences (unbiblical nonsense), etc., etc..

Then there are the "anathemas" (curses) pronounced on Christians who believe what the Bible says, instead of some of the above; and the torture and murder of countless millions, over centuries, completely contrary to the heart of Jesus.

The whole R.C. system is rotten to the core and anyone who truly believes in the Lord Jesus Christ needs to get out of her, so that he does not partake in her sins, nor receive of her plagues.

 

[Grailhunter]

Marriage is a type of the Lord's relationship with his people; so, just as Jesus only has one wife (the church universal), so a man should only have one wife; and that his how it was from the beginning (Adam had one wife, and, in agreement with the law of first mention, this is the template for marriage).

The first marriage was between one man and one woman, but that did not last long. And the Mosaic Law regulated polygamy and concubinage, but never spoke against it.

 

[David1701]

False. You need to know the history of Christianity. There are over a hundred scriptures that prove the 3 in 1 God doctrine false and the 3 in 1 doctrine skews the meaning of over a hundred scriptures. And the doctrine of Original Sin is not in the scriptures. Nothing that says babies have sin and are going to Hell if they die. Humans have a nature to sin, but they are not born with sin. Procreation does not produce sin. St Augustine came up with the belief of Original Sin because he hated women because he could not control himself. And felt that sex was a sin and women were temptresses of the devil.

Ah, I thought I was in a discussion with a Christian: my mistake.

The Trinity is an essential Christian doctrine; and original sin is also foundational.

Here's a link to the site's policy on the Trinity.

"Please note that taking a position contrary to the doctrines outlined in the statement of faith is not allowed for our Christian members. The Trinity, while open to discussion, is not open to dispute, except by other faith members."

Policy Change - Topics On The Trinity Can Now Be Discussed at CyB Updated - 20/12/2024

Christianity Board has alway prided itself in being a place of scholarly discussion, friendship and an environment where members can grow, learn and share their experiences in Christ. Our team at Cyb have worked hard over the years to ensure that this ethos is maintained and upheld however, we...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Grailhunter]

Marriage ceremonies are customs, which vary from place to place, so there is room for variety here.

The Gentile-Christians brought the custom of wedding ceremonies into Christianity. That is why modern wedding ceremonies have Pagan customs. The first documented Christian wedding occurred in the 8th century. But I am sure that voluntary wedding occurred before that.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, there are many divisions in the body of Christ. It is far from perfect.

Now, what about some of those R.C. teachings?

Veneration of relics (pagan); a celibate, mediatorial priesthood (there is only ONE mediator between God and men - the man Christ Jesus; and leaders should be the husbands of one wife); transubstantiation (idolatry); Mary as "Queen of Heaven" (a pagan title); the blasphemous titles of the "pope" (Vicar of Christ [i.e. instead of Christ, which is what anti-Christ means], Rector Orbis, Holy Father, Pontifex Maximus (a pagan title), etc.); purgatory (unbiblical); maintenance of justification by works (salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, lest anyone should boast); praying and bowing down before pictures and statues (idolatry); indulgences (unbiblical nonsense), etc., etc..

Then there are the "anathemas" (curses) pronounced on Christians who believe what the Bible says, instead of some of the above; and the torture and murder of countless millions, over centuries, completely contrary to the heart of Jesus.

The whole R.C. system is rotten to the core and anyone who truly believes in the Lord Jesus Christ needs to get out of her, so that he does not partake in her sins, nor receive of her plagues.

I am not Catholic and I am not defending Catholic beliefs. The history of the Catholic Church is full of false beliefs and atrocities. The modern Catholic Church is much better but they have their own beliefs.