The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[Sel@h]

I don't see it that way.
Acts says Jesus will return in the same way He left....The return in Rev 19 is nothing like the way Jesus left.
For instance Jesus returns riding a white horse....and didn't leave riding a white horse.

This supports a pre-trib return at the rapture and not a single return after the end of the tribulation.

Gosh, I just don’t follow. Say it again differently maybe.

 

[Sel@h]

Gosh, I just don’t follow. Say it again differently maybe.

@CrowCross ,Are you saying that Jesus Christ will return twice?

 

[Davidpt]

I don't see it that way.
Acts says Jesus will return in the same way He left....The return in Rev 19 is nothing like the way Jesus left.
For instance Jesus returns riding a white horse....and didn't leave riding a white horse.

This supports a pre-trib return at the rapture and not a single return after the end of the tribulation.

Why aren't you applying it to Zechariah 14:4 then, since it is obvious you are referring to Acts 1, for one.? He clearly left from the mount of Olives and that Zechariah 14:4 has Him returning there, His feet literally standing upon the earth on the mount of Olives. But Pretrib has Him up in the air per the Pretrib rapture, never touching down below, but doing a uturn instead. Your Pretrib rapture contradicts Acts 1 and Zech 14:4 since it doesn't have Jesus fulfilling in like manner, in regard to where He left from and where He returns to.

 

[ScottA]

Seals are not events; they are just knowledge of what will happen at the end.

Knowledge yes, line upon line here a little there a little. But also the release and setting the captives free.

 

[Sel@h]

Knowledge yes, line upon line here a little there a little. But also the release and setting the captives free.

Hi, Scott. Did you know that this is exactly how Isaiah did teach, but in Isaiah 28:10, it is given as mockery to Isaiah by the religious crowd. They’re making fun of Isaiah.

 

[ScottA]

Hi, Scott. Did you know that this is exactly how Isaiah did teach, but in Isaiah 28:10, it is given as mockery to Isaiah by the religious crowd. They’re making fun of Isaiah.

Hmmm, what translation states it so? That is not how the King James reads.

 

[Sel@h]

Hmmm, what translation states it so? That is not how the King James reads.

The King James. Keep reading a few verses. Do a little research.

 

[ScottA]

The King James. Keep reading a few verses. Do a little research.

"be ye not mockers" doesn't exactly say, "Isaiah 28:10, it is given as mockery to Isaiah" as you have said.

 

[Sel@h]

@ScottA

Let’s go back to verse 7. Isaiah is warning the false prophets who are drunk with wine. In verses 9 and 10, they answer Isaiah. Notice the quotation marks at the beginning of verse 9 and at the end of verse 10. They’re making fun of the way Isaiah is trying to teach them.

Here is a commentary by:
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
9, 10. Here the drunkards are introduced as scoffingly commenting on Isaiah's warnings: "Whom will he (does Isaiah presume to) teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand instruction? Is it those (that is, does he take us to be) just weaned, &c.? For (he is constantly repeating, as if to little children) precept upon precept," &c.
line—a rule or law. [Maurer]. The repetition of sounds in Hebrew tzav latzav, tzav latzav, qav laqav, qav laquav, expresses the scorn of the imitators of Isaiah's speaking; he spoke stammering (Isa 28:11). God's mode of teaching offends by its simplicity the pride of sinners (2Ki 5:11, 12; 1Co 1:23). Stammerers as they were by drunkenness, and children in knowledge of God, they needed to be spoken to in the language of children, and "with stammering lips" (compare Mt 13:13). A just and merciful retribution.