The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[Douggg]

No...you are just reading Jesus wrong. Your whole view is seen through the lenses of confirmation bias.

This is the post trib rapture ,it covers everybody:

Mk 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Take a look at Deuteronomy 30:4-5 about the gathering of the Jews from the nations.

Deuteronomy 30:
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

 

[rebuilder 454]

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 make a pre-trib rapture impossible. It pinpoints a specific aspect of the Coming of Jesus, his manifestation, as the time of the ceasing of tribulation from the troublers of the church (v. 1:1) and the beginning of tribulation from God on those troublers. The tribulation of the church continues while any member of the body of Christ is still receiving tribulation on earth (1 Corinthians 12:26). Therefore, it is impossible for the rapture of the church to happen before the manifestation of Christ. That unique manifestation to all eyes, accompanied by mighty angels is indicated in Matthew 24 as occuring immediately after the great tribulation.

In summary, 2 Thess 1 tells us: (1) A rapture of the whole church would give a cessation of tribulation for the church, and therefore cannot happen before the manifestation of Christ. (2) If the cessation of tribulation is produced by the rapture, then the rapture will happen at the manifestation. If the cessation of tribulation for the church is produced by something else, then the rapture could happen later, and in fact, I believe it is later, at the 7th trumpet.

Not at all.
Pure commentary via omission.

Look at the billions martyred around rev 6 or so.
It says their number is innumerable.
That is DURING THE TRIB.

REV 13 goes on to say the AC is given power to overcome the saints
. It says all take the mark.
Every person on the planet takes the mark that are not written in the book.
BTW, To refuse the mark is death.
( yep those innumerable number ones , in heaven, duringbthe trib refused the mark...none of you guys will "make it through" the trib.
That is a fact.

You need to study the pretrib rapture verses.
You are taking opinions and do not know what the pretrib rapture doctrine says.

 

[Truth7t7]

Take a look at Deuteronomy 30:4-5 about the gathering of the Jews from the nations.

Deuteronomy 30:
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Deuteronomy 30:4-5 above was fulfilled long ago, next

 

[ThomasDGW]

Why?
It would be folly to think he would come pretrib.
Do You realize there is a "worthiness" in that verse?
When you pray to be worthy,would not that be redundant to a postribber?
The unworthy ones in mat 25 and mat 24 (that some were left behind,) were believers.
In the postrib doctrine, that dynamic is overlooked.
If you were to pray that, it does not fit your doctrine

You WOULD be right IF the rapture is the only neans of escape. Another means of escape COULD BE death (Isaiah 57:1). Another means could be obeying Jesus' exhortations to flee (Matthew 24:16, Luke 17:31). Another means could be shelter in the 3/4 of the earth where the beast cannot kill. (Rev 6:8)

 

[Douggg]

Deuteronomy 30:4-5 above was fulfilled long ago, next

No, Deuteronomy 30:4-5 is referring to the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31. It is also in Ezekiel 39:28.

The Jews of Judaism call that gathering "the final redemption". Right now there are Jews scattered in the nations around the world.

 

[Davidpt]

The rapture is Jesus gathering.
Postribbers have Jesus staying in heaven and sending angels to gather.

In fact look at Revelation 14;14.
HELLO....Angels send Jesus.
You guys have painted yourselves into YET ANOTHER POSTRIBBER CORNER.

Just plain bizarre.

Postrib rapture is poorly thought out.

If you want to hear something bizarre. Millions or even billions are going to be raptured but it does not involve a single angel aiding in that process. Wonder why God created billions of angels to begin with if He never uses them for things like this event?

BTW, why would God use angels per Matthew 24:31 pertaining to gathering together, but wouldn't use angels pertaining to 1 Thessalonians 1:4 and that gathering together? Are Pretribbers expecting the gathering in Matthew 24:31 to be larger in scale than the one during the alleged Pretrib rapture? Therefore, since the latter isn't involving a great number of people being raptured, just a hand full of Pretribbers, angels aren't necessary. Which then begs another question.

I thought your view was that there are no saved survivors when Christ returns? That the beast kills them all. Or maybe I'm thinking of another Pretribber that holds that view in the event you don't? But that aside. Why then are angels needed after great tribulation if there is no one alive to gather? Or very few still left alive.? But before tribulation angels aren't needed even though there is a large number to gather? IOW, I was only kidding when I said just a hand full of Pretribbers. Obviously, there are more than just a hand full of Pretribbers deceived. There are millions of them deceived. Meaning all of them and if the number of Pretribbers are in the millions.

 

[Davidpt]

Jesus taught a pretrib rapture.
So you need to tell him he was wrong.

That Greek word for "earth" is used by Jesus over 78 times as "THE PLANET"

You sure you want to tell Jesus , who created all the planets, that you are smarter than him and he had limited knowledge?????

Your ai tainted doctrine says after the trib there is a global gathering.
But I fixed that circuitry error.

Reread it.
A gathering by angels in heaven.
It says "JESUS SENDS" ..Ahem, they go, AND HE STAYS
So you can change it for sure.
But why?
We can see why

The AI I used is the Google AI. You then think the Google AI is biased?