The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

[Marvelloustime]

Oh he can also use men in wool who profess to beleive , and yet bring deception and another jesus and another gospel .
Marvel not ear burner even the devils can cliam to beleive .
So too can his minstirs claim to BELIEVE and yet all along only decieve . OH YES ear burner
and our churches are loaded with such .
SO now hear and now heed this reminder .
GET far and wide from anyone , anything , and anyone connected to ECUMEINCAL INCLUSIVE and its intefaith .
They lie to us all and use the word LOVE a lot to do so . be ware of them for many they are and many they be of them .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

return to the WHOLE of scripture is a dire necessity and a plea for them to do so .
For if they continue to sit under twisted doctrine of men , they will continue to be only Decieved .
By grace have i loved to read that bible daily , not with mens scholars or twisted books for to learn , for MYSELF .
And i know , i know this generation will be f ast to say
BUT AMIGO that is how we got all them different denominations .
TO which i say LAY NOT the blame on bible reading , rather on the heart of man who did the wrong .
And i also say
to those who say to me , but hey amigo ye cannot learn that bible lest ye sit under our etc
And that again this is why we had so many differing denominations ,
I SAY
AND WHY DO YOU ALL THINK i never joined SUCH denominations nor the unholy RCC .
And why do ye think i did not buy into pre this or acryonom that ,
NOW ITS BIBLE reading time in the house , and in the house IT BE BIBLE READING TIME for all . OR they can continue
to not only remain decieved but to be led into the greatest delusion ever by highly wise sounding
lovey do sounding men . The time for to come out from amongst the well favored ecumeincal harlot IS NOW .
That ho leads them all to the very day of their peridition for she leads them all
to the peace of anti christ .

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

Lame response. Do you have no interest in actually backing up your claims? Why should anyone take what you say seriously in that case? If you're going to make claims you should be willing to back them up and to address challenges made to your claims.

How is it lame?

'Appollyon' the king of the abyss, is only spoken in Revelation.

Therefore it would be disingenuous and erroneous to assume other then Revelation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How is it lame?

'Appollyon' the king of the abyss, is only spoken in Revelation.

Satan is referred to in other ways in scripture such as "the devil", "the serpent" and Beelzebub. Apollyon is just another of his names that describes part of who he is (a destroyer). Who else but Satan is the king of the fallen angels? They are killed "his angels" (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 12:9). What is your understanding of the identity of the locusts in Revelation 9? Can you discern that they represent fallen angels?

Therefore it would be disingenuous and erroneous to assume other then Revelation.

No, it would not. If you understand that the locusts symbolically represent fallen angels and that Apollyon is their king, then it's quite easy to see who Apollyon is since no one but Satan is the king of the fallen angels.

You claimed that Apollyon is not Satan. What is your basis for that claim? Just that the name Apollyon is different than Satan? That doesn't prove anything. Again, Satan goes by other names as well.

 

[Earburner]

Yet the Amill theory tries to stretch that "thousand years" period of Revelation 20 into a period over 2,000 years, since they believe it figuratively... began at Christ's cross. That's nothing but men's supposition, and nowhere written Biblically.

The answer to WHY The Lord has NOT returned yet, in all His Immortal Glory from heaven, is staring you all right in the face. The keyword is "longsuffering".
2 Peter 3:8-9, 15
Strong's Number - G3115- "longsuffering"
Greek: μακροθυμία
Transliteration: makrothumia
Pronunciation: mak-roth-oo-mee'-ah
Definition: From the same as G3116; longanimity that is (objectively) forbearance or (subjectively) fortitude: - longsuffering patience.
KJV Usage: longsuffering (12x), patience (2x).
Occurs: 14
In verses: 14

2 Peter 3:8-9
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years [is] as one day.
Let that digest for a minute, and you will see that all God is saying is that He has put no TIME LIMIT on this PRESENT Age of His Grace, through our having faith in Jesus.
He alone shall END His extension of Grace, when no one comes to repentance towards Him.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise [of His salvation], as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
And of course, for all who do NOT REPENT and have faith in the Lord Jesus, BEFORE their own mortal death, they are lost, and shall remain Eternally dead foever.

2 Peter 3:15
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

 

[amigo de christo]

How is it lame?

'Appollyon' the king of the abyss, is only spoken in Revelation.

Therefore it would be disingenuous and erroneous to assume other then Revelation.

When satan comes to allure and to deceive
it is never with horns and a pitchfork . Its always as though he desires only good . Oh but what a liar he is my friend .
World peace , my hind foot , they preaching anti christ solution to them all now .
World peace n safety . MY hind foot it was always all about power and control .
World peace n safety , peace in the middle east . My hind foot it was all a sham
to get all religions and christendom and the world to become as one man
by means of anti christ plan . Soon david .
very soon .
The ecumeincal phase will end and the crusades will begin .

 

[amigo de christo]

Satan is referred to in other ways in scripture such as "the devil", "the serpent" and Beelzebub. Apollyon is just another of his names that describes part of who he is (a destroyer). Who else but Satan is the king of the fallen angels? They are killed "his angels" (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 12:9). What is your understanding of the identity of the locusts in Revelation 9? Can you discern that they represent fallen angels?


No, it would not. If you understand that the locusts symbolically represent fallen angels and that Apollyon is their king, then it's quite easy to see who Apollyon is since no one but Satan is the king of the fallen angels.

You claimed that Apollyon is not Satan. What is your basis for that claim? Just that the name Apollyon is different than Satan? That doesn't prove anything. Again, Satan goes by other names as well.

soon .
And even now is it at the d oor .
The ecumeincal will become the crusades and will be enforced by the digital AI system prepared unto the beast .

 

[Douggg]

Why would you take it literally as if they are literal locusts? Why would literal locusts have a fallen angel as their king? That makes no sense. The fact that Abaddon is a fallen angel is a very strong indication that the locusts symbolically represent fallen angels and they have Abaddon as their king. Who else but Satan could be called the king of the fallen angels? They are "his angels" (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 12:9).

They are locust-like creatures, not literal locust. They are described in Revelation 9:7-10 .

Satan lead the revolt against God, convincing a third of the angels to side with him (Satan).

Abaddon is one of those revolting angels, who is presently in the bottomless pit.

Satan in not Abaddon, because Satan is the falling star in Revelation 9:1-2 who will open the bottomless pit, that releases the locust-like creatures and their king Abaddon.

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[Davy]

No, Satan is not Abaddon (Apollyon).

The flesh tormenting locust creatures released from the bottomless pit have a king over them named Abaddon (in Hebrew), Apollyon (in Greek). Revelation 9:11. Abaddon is a fallen angel, a cohort of Satan, but not Satan himself.

In Revelation 9:1, the star that falls from heaven, who opens the bottomless pit will be Satan, when Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9.

Satan himself is the king and angel over the bottomless pit. He will ascend... out of that bottomless pit (hell) which is in the heavenly dimension. That is his home base, his office.

Abaddon and Apollyon is interpreted as The Destroyer, and that is Satan himself.

 

[Davy]

@Selah included

Do all fallen angels enter into perdition?
Yes or No?

Yes.

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
KJV

 

[Davy]

Lucifer is the other name for Satan, not Apollyon.

Would you like to tell us just who... is teaching you to falsely claim those Revelation 9:11 titles of Apollyon and Abaddon are not... about Satan?

 

[Davy]

@amigo de christo
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And just think, even here, on this very Forum, there are many who do NOT believe Jesus of Nazareth is GOD. That's actually what Paul's meaning in 1 Corinthians 12:3 is, that Jesus is LORD.

 

[Douggg]

Would you like to tell us just who... is teaching you to falsely claim those Revelation 9:11 titles of Apollyon and Abaddon are not... about Satan?

Revelation 9:
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star [Satan] fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he [Satan] opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

When Satan is cast down to earth from the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9, he will be tossed the keys to the bottomless pit. Which he will then open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2 to release the locust-like creatures and their angel king Abaddon from the bottomless pit.

 

[Douggg]

Satan himself is the king and angel over the bottomless pit. He will ascend... out of that bottomless pit (hell) which is in the heavenly dimension. That is his home base, his office.

Satan is not in the bottomless pit. Satan will not be cast into the bottomless pit until the day that Jesus returns in Revelation 20:1-3.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 9:
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star [Satan] fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he [Satan] opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

When Satan is cast down to earth from the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9, he will be tossed the keys to the bottomless pit. Which he will then open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2 to release the locust-like creatures and their angel king Abaddon from the bottomless pit.

Oh...... so you think....... because Satan is given the keys to open the bottomless pit, that he is like.....outside it........ and thus cannot be that king and angel over the bottomless pit? That thinking is of course, ludicrous.

Just the fact... that Satan is given the 'keys' to open the pit shows how he is in control over that pit, and thus that "king" and "angel of the bottomless of the pit."

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

 

[Douggg]

Just the fact... that Satan is given the 'keys' to open the pit shows how he is in control over that pit, and thus that "king" and "angel of the bottomless of the pit."

No, Satan does not yet have the keys to the bottomless pit. Satan will not be given the keys until Revelation 12:7-9, when he will be cast down to the earth from the second heaven.

Satan presently is referred to as "the prince, the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2.

 

[Davy]

Satan is not in the bottomless pit. Satan will not be cast into the bottomless pit until the day that Jesus returns in Revelation 20:1-3.

Show me the Bible Scripture that says Satan cannot enter the bottomless pit for this present time, or since the cross.


Have you not ever read about that pit involving Satan's prison house?

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV

That above "prison" is about the bottomless pit in heaven, Satan's abode he is over. It's simply another name for 'hell' (Hades). And it ain't.... in some 2nd heaven. Per Jesus in Luke 16 hell (Hades) is across a great fixed gulf in Paradise, a place of separation away from God.

Per 2 Peter 2:4, hell has a place like a solitary confinement where the angels that sinned are kept in chains until The Judgment. The Greek word for "hell" below is taratoo, which is defined as the deepest part of the abyss, or bottomless pit, which is IN HELL (Hades).

2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
KJV

In Revelation 20, Satan is locked in his pit prison in chains at the start of the "thousand years". After that period he is then released from his pit "prison" in the heavenly...

Rev 20:7
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
KJV

 

[Davy]

No, Satan does not yet have the keys to the bottomless pit. Satan will not be given the keys until Revelation 12:7-9, when he will be cast down to the earth from the second heaven.

Satan presently is referred to as "the prince, the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2.

You just left... the subject of our conversation.

The matter of discussion is not about WHEN the angel of Revelation 9:1 receives the keys to unlock the locusts out of the bottomless pit.

The subject we have... been discussing is WHO is that "king" and "angel of the bottomless pit". It is SATAN himself.

 

[Douggg]

You just left... the subject of our conversation.

The matter of discussion is not about WHEN the angel of Revelation 9:1 receives the keys to unlock the locusts out of the bottomless pit.

The subject we have... been discussing is WHO is that "king" and "angel of the bottomless pit". It is SATAN himself.

You made the statement that Satan presently has the keys to the bottomless pit. So I responded to by saying - no, he does not. And will not be given the keys until he is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9.

I have proved that Satan is not Abaddon. Nor that Satan comes and goes from the bottomless pit, as you have asserted.