Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

[Davy]

Thanks precious friend, appreciate your valuable input.

imho, God's Sound Doctrine Cannot Be Established By "using one verse only" ( as Many think? ),....

You can have NO CONTRADICTIONS in God's Word. And you MADE one by denying the presented 2 Thessalonians 2 Scripture by Apostle Paul with the EXCUSE that one verse does not make a valid Bible doctrine.

And the thing is, what Paul declared in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 that the "man of sin" (Antichrist) MUST COME FIRST creating a great "falling away", is TAUGHT ELSEWHERE IN BIBLE SCRIPTURE ALSO, AND NOT JUST BY APOSTLE PAUL.

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

 

[shepherdsword]

#152

even if it was upon them and not passed they would still have found relief that it is not and will not happen until the great falling away from the faith happens. Now, if you want anymore questions answered then answer mine. You have a habit of demanding every trivial point you post be addressed while you ignore much more salient issues.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Didn't you agree that it was a departure from the faith?

Yes.
You still don't get it.
Really??????
I do agree with the CONTEXT.
THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE LITERAL.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, not a little ol’ chip that’ll become chipped in no time or yet another tattoo that’ll be added to your skin that’s already covered with them. The mark of the beast is the great apostasy! What’s the great apostasy? It’s worshiping the false christ, you know, the one who comes before Jesus, the one who promises to take everyone away in his shiny new rapturemobile! (I jest to make my point.).

Revelation 13:4-9 (KJV) 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Ahem, keep reading.
16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

You were sayin?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Don't just post a verse reference with no commentary. Why did you post that verse? It certainly doesn't refute what I said.

@CrowCross Are you a little child? What did you find funny about this? You think just posting a verse with no commentary is an acceptable way of having a discussion? What if everyone just posted verses and nothing else here? Do you think that would be a good idea? Grow up.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes.
You still don't get it.
Really??????
I do agree with the CONTEXT.
THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE LITERAL.

The context indicates that the falling away from the faith (apostasy) occurs before Jesus comes and the rapture occurs. Do you agree with that?

 

[CrowCross]

@CrowCross Are you a little child?

Once again you start off rude. That's twice today. Are you OK????

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Once again you start off rude. That's twice today. Are you OK????

LOL. Says the guy who laughed at my post where I questioned why you just posted a verse and nothing else. It was quite reasonable for me to question that, so it was rude for you to laugh at that. But, I guess you think it's okay if you are rude? How about acting like a mature adult who should be taken seriously? Can you do that? You think I'm being rude, but I'm calling out your childishness. Please post like an adult if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[marks]

You have a habit of demanding every trivial point you post be addressed while you ignore much more salient issues.

Oh hardly. But I do like to stay on point and not be deflected.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh hardly. But I do like to stay on point and not be deflected.

What he said is true. I know that from experience. But, go ahead and deny it if you insist.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is no way to wrest and twist 2Th 2:3 into support for a pre-trib rapture.

Anything but pretrib would have Jesus confused, as it was HE THAT TAUGHT a pretrib rapture and even used the last supper dialoge to point to the future, gathering in heaven...pssst, remember postribber doctrine says only one post wrath coming, and NO BELIEVER EVER goes to heaven.
Not to mention the 2 escape verses BY JESUS...No matter how you twist it, Jesus was not confused.

Whew, what a convoluted theory postribbers cling to..

 

[rebuilder 454]

Ok, let's examine "one coming"

Is it in power in Rev 19, with millions of horses blackening the sky?

Or is it in Rev 14 ;14,15 with Jesus wearing ONLY ONE CROWN, sitting on a cloud, with no horses?
Or is it matt 25 with the groom gathering his bride at night with no horses, crowns, sickle or horses?

Which of the three COMINGS do postribbers pick as "one coming".

Spoiler alert.....be honest and admit your deal is busted.

 

[Sel@h]

Ahem, keep reading.
16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

You were sayin?

Hiya there. “right hands or on their foreheads“ = doing or supporting Satan’s work.

 

[rebuilder 454]

“right hands or on their foreheads“ = doing or supporting Satan’s work.

Nope.
It is seen by secular shopkeepers.
Nothing spiritual about it.

 

[Sel@h]

Nope.
It is seen by secular shopkeepers.
Nothing spiritual about it.

The book of Revelation uses a lot of metaphors and symbolism.

 

[CrowCross]

Hiya there. “right hands or on their foreheads“ = doing or supporting Satan’s work.

Are you saying it's purely symbolic?

Could the mark be something like this? OR, this?

 

[CrowCross]

The book of Revelation uses a lot of metaphors and symbolism.

As well as literal descriptions.

Is Rev 8 symbolic?

 

[marks]

The book of Revelation uses a lot of metaphors and symbolism.

Unless the Bible actually gives this information, your interpretation lacks Scriptural authority. A mark on the hand or forehead is a mark on the hand or forehead unless the Bible says differently. Claiming "the book has lots of symbols" has no bearing on this. Either the Bible teaches this or it does not.

To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in Scripture that modifies these passages to refer to anything other than an actual mark on the hand or forehead, just like in the Thief in the Night movies.

Much love!

 

[Sel@h]

Are you saying it's purely symbolic?

Could the mark be something like this? OR, this?

Yes. Basically, being on Satan’s side in your work and thoughts.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Anything but pretrib would have Jesus confused, as it was HE THAT TAUGHT a pretrib rapture

Total nonsense. You need to find a Bible that includes these passages...

Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.