Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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His baby that was conceived by Bathsheba died.
Sins unto death will get their due.
David's repentance was accepted.
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I know what the Bible says about the two types of sin you are talking about and what changed concerning those two types with the appearing of Christ in this New Covenant. It's impossible to deny what I showed you it says.
That's called moving the goalposts. Your "sin unto death" means someone else's death? But then, that's what Jesus did, dying for us. David's baby did not die for our sins.
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God doesn't change about sin. John Calvin is not God. And the New Covenant is where I found the two types of sin. Then I found it originated in the Old Covenant. Judge, it seems you know Calvinism, but not the Bible. Let me help you. I know the true gospel and it is really very simple. Calvinism can lead someone to treating sins unto death as sins not unto death; and past sins are taken away from our conscience, not past, present and future sins unto death. Only unintentional sins not unto death are forgiven in the present and future, NOT willful lawlessness. Willful sins committed based on someone's belief in OSAS is heresy, and frankly, of the devil. The errors in Calvinism have mostly to do with sin. Like, "sin is sin." Mortal and venial sins are not even close to being the same.
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amigo de christo
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I have an idea pro deo how about we meet in the middle .
I am quite happy to be divided out from ecumeincism . Now to the trenches one and all . This sheep aint looking back my friend .
Wrong.
Here's where God did change about sin:
Acts 13:38-39
38Therefore be it known to you⁺, men, brothers, that through this One forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you⁺. 39And in Him everyone believing is justified from all things from which you⁺ were not able to be justified in the law of Moses.
That's a change about sin.
You err because you define 'sin unto death' in 1 John 5:16 to include the sin that God said is no longer unto death in this New Covenant.
I know enough about Calvinism to know you are not representing it accurately.
Your private war against Calvinism is actually a war against Free Grace doctrine, not Calvinism. That much I know. Calvinism agrees with you that one cannot sin themselves unto death because they are born again and have the seed of God within them. You don't realize your misguided and determined effort to strip 1 John 3:6-10 of it's Calvinistic OSAS meaning actually defends and affirms it.
Free Grace doctrine is the doctrine that teaches a born again person can purposely and deliberately sin all they want and they will remain saved. Calvinism affirms 1 John 3:6-10, as you do, that a born again person can't and won't do that.
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You don't seem to realize that Calvinism teaches that the person who sins willfully is showing themselves to not be born again. That is completely consistent with 1 John 3:6-10. So no argument is being made in Calvinism that a born again person can willfully sin and be OSAS. Free Grace doctrine makes that argument, not Calvinism. The willfully sinning person in Calvinism is not born again to begin with for him to somehow be OSAS.
Please show me again, because I don't recall you proving anything you believe with Scripture.
Think what you like about it. David repented before the birth. Death came to David's house. God was just.
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No, its a change in the Law.
That's good to know. Why doesn't Calvinism include 1 John 3:5? You believe only the guilt of sin is taken away, not sin from the sin nature. Don't you believe Jesus leaves the sin nature in tact? That's the "old man" of Romans 6:5-7 and it is crucified, and resurrected brand new.
Totally wrong.
1 John 1 is about “we”, believers in Christ, who are saved, born again.
We do not get saved by confessing our sins. You could never remember them all.
We get saved by confessing Jesus as Lord.
Romans 10:9-13
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I didn't say the gospel of salvation originated with the Reformation, but that they restored it after the RCC had silenced and suppressed it for a very long time.
I've noticed that whenever doctrine becomes enshrined or encapsulated in extra-biblical terminology it misses the mark......it leads to wrong concepts being set up in the mind......false doctrine. The bible doesn't talk about mortal and venial sins. And there IS a sense in which sin IS sin, in that it all leads to separation from God. Sin is missing the mark and falling short of the glory, it is going our own way instead of God's. And ALL have sinned, even if not in what we consider to be the big ways ("mortal" sins).....it nevertheless led to death and separation from God in every instance, according to God's word.
Have to differ with you on that brother. Apparently it is possible that one can be born again and illuminated but still be drawn away and fall from grace and have to face the same wrath that unbelievers do and maybe worse, according to this word:
Heb 10:25-31
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
For if we sin wilfully (I believe the grammar there implies if we keep on wilfully sinning) after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge HIS people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
amigo de christo
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Deeply concerned . If you saw many peoples drowing in an ocean and many others headed right into the same ocean
you too would have warned them not to enter into said ocean and if they are in it to get out of said ocean
lest they drown . it is Bible time and JESUS proclaiming time .
amigo de christo
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A good example .
The reason why so many remain in the ocean
and enter into that ocean is due to love waves .
Only it aint the LOVE of GOD . And each time an inclusive wave pushes them just a bit farther under
they see no danger of the waves .
Its like a man drowing in the ocean , ONLY HE dont realize He is drowning .
And all around in him in that ocean just keep telling one another , hey this is the life man ,
as they have no idea its FOR THEIR LIFE , ITS GONNA END THEM pro deo .
Swimming in the sea of inclusive love is TO SWIM in the sea of sin and unbeleif and to Believe all is fine .
Now to the walls and time to warn . Some will hear , but many are gonna only hate on t hose
who bring them what was always best for them and meant only for their g ood and not their destruction .
But some will hear . Trench time .
amigo de christo
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They all knew and they all warned and reminded .
For he who endures to the end the same shall be saved .
Many look at that statment and now see it as legalism and not trusting in Christ .
BUT was it NOT HE who said it and later we can see the apostels , specially paul , confirming this .
Men have brought much confusion to this people . If only they would again
start reading the scriptures for themselves , and not through the lens of denominations of men , but for themselves
this would have been cleared up .
The message to the seven churches would have been enough for me to have seen this .
But many are the other places that confirm it .
That which often pleases and ticlkles the ear of man , is contrary to TRUTH
If a man could indeed die , be put to death under the law for despising that covenant .
HOW much worse when they grab ahold of an all inclusive gospel and make void the NEW covenant of GOD .
IF we think death is bad , THERE IS something far worse than mere death . its the SEcOND death .
Many now Trod the gospel of JESUS under foot for a lie . And as a lie always does
IT makes void the TRUTH . There is indeed a massively huge Jezabeel who does teach
and seduce this people . And this sheep gonna warn out against her and her ecuemincal inclusive
love and her peace plan of many anti christs .
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